First Guns.

[spartan231490]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

found the anti-gunner! But seriously, why even comment?

I've been looking into this, actually. However, my current state of living in a college dorm means I can't til I move til an apartment, I really want to get one. Prolly a 10/22 followed by a Mosin Nagant since both are cheap as hell.

Careful with the Mosin Nagants. They're cheap as hell for a reason, since they fire primarily corrosive ammo many of them have shit barrels. Not to say you can't find a good one, a lot of them are still good, but take extra care when you buy it to make sure its barrel is in good shape. also, unless you know what you're doing you should spend a little extra and buy the non-corrosive ammo. It's a bit more expensive but it will save you a lot of time and effort cleaning your gun. Still, it's hard to beat what is basically a 30-06 with ammo that cheap. Although be aware, they weren't usually made to have a scope on them so you'll need to get a gun smith to do it if you want a scope on it.
.22LR is damn hard to beat for target shooting. Cheaper, you don't need to maintain it as well, shoots fine, you just can't beat it for having fun.

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

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I know Right. Silly gun owners spending lots of money and taking time out of the day for a repetitive hobby are so silly, unlike us gamers who spends lots of money and take time out of the day for a... oh. (nothing personal, I just couldn't resist, the joke was to easy)

OT: Don't have a gun yet but I plan to get one for the purpose of hunting (as I love venison and it seems like it would be satisfying to eat something you went out and worked hard for)So I know that my first gun will be a rifle that is rugged enough to handle the woods and a high enough caliber to hunt dear effectively, other than that I'm not really sure. Any suggestions?

What type of deer? Mule, white-tailed, elk? I only ask because some of the larger deer, especially in areas where they reach full maturity, need a pretty hefty caliber to hunt ethically, especially if you're talking long range shots. That said, "if you can't do it with a 30-06, you probably can't do it with anything else." Unless you're out in the midwest or somewhere else where you'll be looking at shots beyond 200-300 yards, I would look long and hard at the new remington model 783, it looks like it's gonna be the best all-around hunting rifle on the market. The best of both worlds, cheap and accurate. If you'd prefer a model that's been around a bit longer and is more time-tested, the savage American classic line is a good accurate rifle that I can personally vouch for, though it'll be almost twice as much as the remington 783. If you are hunting somewhere you know will only see short-range shots, like if you're gonna hunt swamps or any other thick-brushy country, you can't beat the old Winchester lever action carbine in 30-30. Low recoil, enough power for deer and it's cheaper and lighter than the bigger bolt action rifles. One last suggestion, you might want to seriously consider buying a bolt action .22LR before anything else. Marksmanship takes practice, and sadly jumping straight to a big caliber like the 30-06 can ruin your fundamentals. .22LR are cheap both for the gun and for the ammo and because of low recoil won't give you a habit of flinching.

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While the novelty of owning a gun and the potential empowerment it might bring me would be satisfying in the short term I can not justify such an investment in an item that would go mostly unused unless things become really, really shitty.

I would have to take time out of my day to do things with it to justify its purchase and spend more money doing so to perform a function that is, by its nature, 100% repetitive. It does not give me the image of a sound entertainment investment.

I am happy people with liking guns, I just hope they can like their guns over there.

To be fair, it's no worse than buying a console, or a TV or any items you buy purely for entertainment value. Beyond Food, a house and a car(even then, some people might not /need/ a car, and still if you do it only needs to run, a flashy car is just for your enjoyment) anything else you buy is just consumerism that you buy just to enjoy for the sake of it.

it's actually a much better investment than any of those other things. Firearms will last for decades, and maintain their value very very well.

 

[spartan231490]

dnip

I can dig it.
I imagine firing on full auto would be a few seconds of pure, unbridled joy hah
Threads like these really make me wish we could own guns over here, going target shooting must be so satifying

It really is. My friend and I have started calling it "Ballistic Therapy."

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

Try firing one, it's a pretty enjoyable experience. I shot a tomato with the .357 magnum I mentioned and a few water bottles.

Yeah, because the whole purpose behind owning a gun has nothing to do with hunting, sport shooting or defending yourself but with how fuckin awsum badazz you feel when you pull that trigger!

I'm struggling to resist the urge to be openly insulting here, but suffice it to say I have no respect for gun owners whatsoever. No, not even if they threaten to fucking shoot me if I don't respect them.

Then why take part in this discussion? Just why?

I'm struggling to resist the urge to be openly insulting here, but suffice it to say I have no respect for gun owners whatsoever. No, not even if they threaten to fucking shoot me if I don't respect them.

Interesting. You have no respect for a group of people who own something you don't like, because... having guns hurts people? That can't be true, because if it was, the United States of America would have its population cut down by, what, a sixth, every year, based on gun ownership rates?

Or do you hate 52 million people because every year, less then 10000 people are murdered with firearms, most of which were in the process of illegal activity? Do you really disrespect 52 million people based on what less then 0.019% of the gun population does (Assuming each one of those murders was committed by a unique individual)?

I mean, that's an entirely fine opinion to have. I just want to be clear on what that opinion entails.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Note - USA used for stats because it has the best numbers available and because I live here/

Firstly, the majority of murderers who use firarms are not legal firearms owners but gang-bangers. Second, best estimate places the number of firearms owners in the US at close to 80 million, not 52 million.

I do not live in a country where owning guns is generally permitted, and while I don't oppose owning them (although the obsession some people has bothers me). I can't pretend that I am knowledgeable enough about differing guns to really say exactly what one I might own, should I be allowed.

If I could I'd have a nice simple pistol. Nothing fancy, I'd prefer reliability, over anything else, seeing as the chances of it ever being used against somebody dressed in a tank is somewhat unlikely.

Not that you'll probably ever need to know, but if you're looking for a simple no-frills reliable handgun, you can't really beat a glock. 1911s aren't bad either but tend to have a few more frills and be a little more expensive.

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

Then why bother commenting? At all?

If you have nothing of value to say other than to "imply" an insult, then don't say anything. Not a very hard thing to do.

There was no insult implied here. Someone disliking a thing you like is not an insult. It's an opinion.

He didn't say dislike, he said he was disgusted by them. That is both insulting and it did nothing to further the discussion. Notice that several others have said "I don't really like guns, but hey whatever" and no one was bothered by that. His post went beyond simply stating dislike.

 

[Muspelheim]

Hmm, for some reason, while I do find guns fairly interesting, I've never really felt that much of an urge to buy any, or get a license for that for that matter. And buying one off the black market for self defence isn't a very good idea either.

I am however thinking about getting a license to buy and own a crossbow. At least at some point when I can afford an expense like that. I can't for the life of me understand why, but I would much rather have a crossbow.

 

[spartan231490]

While i do not own nor wish to own any guns I did shoot with the FNC in the army and i can't say i was dissapointed

Depends.

Infantry are assigned weapons due to skill or ability - The strongest guy in the squad gets the M240B...

Oh God how do i dislike people who let others take pictures of themselves with guns while breaking safety rules. (if you're going to break em at least have the intelligence not to make it public)

What safety rule is he breaking? His finger isn't on the trigger, but alongside the trigger guard like it should, and it seems to be pointed in a safe direction, and it even appears that the action is locked in an open position to prove that it's been cleared.

 

[spartan231490]

Hmm, for some reason, while I do find guns fairly interesting, I've never really felt that much of an urge to buy any, or get a license for that for that matter. And buying one off the black market for self defence isn't a very good idea either.

I am however thinking about getting a license to buy and own a crossbow. At least at some point when I can afford an expense like that. I can't for the life of me understand why, but I would much rather have a crossbow.

it's because of Daryl isn't it?

 

[Johkmil]

My first gun that i know the make of (as in other than random skeet shooting and such) is the HK 416 issued to me in during my year in the national service. It seems like there's a lot of soldiers in this thread.

Spoiler: HK416

(Not me, but same posting.]

A nice weapon, not as solid a workhorse as the old AG3, with less stopping power and a greater chance of freezing, but it has such a low recoil it could probably be fired at full auto by your common house cat.

 

[spartan231490]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

How can you be disgusted by a firearm? It's not like it smells/tastes disgusting in some way.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Depends.

Infantry are assigned weapons due to skill or ability - The strongest guy in the squad gets the M240B...

Oh God how do i dislike people who let others take pictures of themselves with guns while breaking safety rules. (if you're going to break em at least have the intelligence not to make it public)

What safety rule is he breaking? His finger isn't on the trigger, but alongside the trigger guard like it should, and it seems to be pointed in a safe direction, and it even appears that the action is locked in an open position to prove that it's been cleared.

On a 240B, the open bolt position is the 'Rock and Roll' position (Though I can't tell if its really in the open bolt position). The bolt should be forward if its not ready to fire.

Also, his finger does appear to be on the trigger, but I can't be certain. The trigger on that thing is huge.

The rule he's breaking is the fact he's in a living area, pointing a heavy weapon that could tear through every wall in the place around. And he doesn't even have the decency to properly shoulder the weapon.

For the most part though, no, its not that unsafe, all things considered. I've seen people fire 240B's akimbo before... now THATS unsafe.

I'm struggling to resist the urge to be openly insulting here, but suffice it to say I have no respect for gun owners whatsoever. No, not even if they threaten to fucking shoot me if I don't respect them.

Interesting. You have no respect for a group of people who own something you don't like, because... having guns hurts people? That can't be true, because if it was, the United States of America would have its population cut down by, what, a sixth, every year, based on gun ownership rates?

Or do you hate 52 million people because every year, less then 10000 people are murdered with firearms, most of which were in the process of illegal activity? Do you really disrespect 52 million people based on what less then 0.019% of the gun population does (Assuming each one of those murders was committed by a unique individual)?

I mean, that's an entirely fine opinion to have. I just want to be clear on what that opinion entails.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Note - USA used for stats because it has the best numbers available and because I live here/

Firstly, the majority of murderers who use firarms are not legal firearms owners but gang-bangers. Second, best estimate places the number of firearms owners in the US at close to 80 million, not 52 million.

80 million does sound closer to the truth (I was going off a 2007 NRA study). That would make it 0.0125% (Roughly) of the gun owning population, assuming they're included in the statistic.

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

How can you be disgusted by a firearm? It's not like it smells/tastes disgusting in some way.

They do kind of taste bad.

EDIT: I just realized I quoted three separate post of yours. I need to learn all you guys' names/avatars.

 

[Vault101]

I want to own a bow and arrow....but Id have nowhere to shoot it

would be nice if I lived at home on the farm

 

[Vault101]

Any forests around your area or open fields? Congrats you have somewhere to shoot it!

not that I know of...of coarse not being albe to drive is the main thing...

plus I think unless its my provate property 99% of place would probably be illigal

 

[Chunga the Great]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

Look at you; so edgy and different. I'd love to here more about how complex and philosophical your beliefs are.

OT: An old .22 I found in the basement.

 

[Chunga the Great]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

Because I am disgusted by your need to put forth your worthless opinions where they aren't wanted, I do not nor will I ever bother taking you seriously again. Good day, sir.

Let's try to not get this topic locked, please. Don't be so acidic.

Fair point, but I've been growing quite tired very quickly of a growing portion of the once brilliant Escapist community who thinks their opinions are the shit and see themselves as intellectuals who must spread their opinions where they don't add anything (as per the one I quoted) and post several dozen threads asking our opinions on overdone issues such as sexism and racism when everybody knows almost everybody on this increasingly archaic forum is of a moderately liberal tendency. It's getting bloody old.

Just letting off steam here, take no notice of me. Don't ban me, oh nit-picky mods.

(Fuck, I've been meaning to say that for months.)

Rant over.

A-fucking-men

The past few years have seen an overwhelming rise in pretentious "look at me I'm so educated and philosophical" crap like the never-ending debates about sexism or gun control. There's still a lot of good discussion on these forums, but not nearly as much as there used to be.

 

[Ingjald]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

 

[spartan231490]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

All also good points, if the longest shot you get is 80 meters, 4X is plenty, maybe a bit too much with the smaller 32 objective lense. However, why go for the 30-06 if you're only going to be shooting 80 meters? Something like a 30-30 carbine would have much less kick and be easier to carry and will do the job just fine in that range.

 

[A Raging Emo]

As for the first one I purchased it would be my M1895 Nagant revolver, which shoots alright but ammo id s psin in the aass to find/is expensive. It is chambered in 7.62x38R Nagant, which is an interesting little round as the jacket extends past the vbullet and the revolver pushes that crimp into the barrel to create a gas seal

Spoiler: Nagant Revolver

Where did you find that? I've been looking to get one myself, but can't find one anywhere.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

As for the first one I purchased it would be my M1895 Nagant revolver, which shoots alright but ammo id s psin in the aass to find/is expensive. It is chambered in 7.62x38R Nagant, which is an interesting little round as the jacket extends past the vbullet and the revolver pushes that crimp into the barrel to create a gas seal

Spoiler: Nagant Revolver

Where did you find that? I've been looking to get one myself, but can't find one anywhere.

I got it at a local gun store for far too much money, but here is a link for you. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3nagant

 

[Ingjald]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

All also good points, if the longest shot you get is 80 meters, 4X is plenty, maybe a bit too much with the smaller 32 objective lense. However, why go for the 30-06 if you're only going to be shooting 80 meters? Something like a 30-30 carbine would have much less kick and be easier to carry and will do the job just fine in that range.

Why 30-06? Because around here the three most common calibers (meaning available and not too pricy) are 6.5x55 swedish mauser, .308 win and the 30-06, and the Weatherby Mark V only ever came chambered in one of those. Basically, during my search for "my" rifle, I fell in love with the Mark V. Never thought I'd actually own one, with the price tag and me on a bit of a tight budget, but some scrounging and patience paid off, and I found a MK. V Deluxe in 30-06 (they stopped making those in -94, not counting custom orders) for about half the retail price of a new one.

why not a 30-30? Again, not too common here, so limited selection and pretty pricy. That nothwithstanding, 30-30 has the problem of straddling the line between class 1 and 2 of calibers in our rather antiquated and arbitrary classification system (where 30-06 sits comfortably somewhere in the lower middle of class 1). Basically, only the LeveRevolution bullets can reach legal performance for big game, and only in longer barrels, defeating the purpose of a handy carbine.

Class 1 can be used on anything, classes 2 and 3 are specialty calibers for varying sizes of small game and birds, and class 4 is pretty much entirely made up of .22 LR. Class 2 and 3 game can also be hunted with shotguns, and slugs may be used on some big game assuming you're certified to own and use class 1 rifles, but only out to 40 meters. Conventional wisdom holds that a new hunters first hunting rifle should be a class 1, so they can participate in pretty much any kind of hunt, and gain experience. Specilization comes later.

Also, I picked the scope up used on a forum (1500 SEK, roughly 235 dollar) knowing it would be perfectly adequate for my initial needs. nothing says I can't replace it later on .