First Guns.

[Muspelheim]

Hmm, for some reason, while I do find guns fairly interesting, I've never really felt that much of an urge to buy any, or get a license for that for that matter. And buying one off the black market for self defence isn't a very good idea either.

I am however thinking about getting a license to buy and own a crossbow. At least at some point when I can afford an expense like that. I can't for the life of me understand why, but I would much rather have a crossbow.

 

[spartan231490]

While i do not own nor wish to own any guns I did shoot with the FNC in the army and i can't say i was dissapointed

Depends.

Infantry are assigned weapons due to skill or ability - The strongest guy in the squad gets the M240B...

Oh God how do i dislike people who let others take pictures of themselves with guns while breaking safety rules. (if you're going to break em at least have the intelligence not to make it public)

What safety rule is he breaking? His finger isn't on the trigger, but alongside the trigger guard like it should, and it seems to be pointed in a safe direction, and it even appears that the action is locked in an open position to prove that it's been cleared.

 

[spartan231490]

Hmm, for some reason, while I do find guns fairly interesting, I've never really felt that much of an urge to buy any, or get a license for that for that matter. And buying one off the black market for self defence isn't a very good idea either.

I am however thinking about getting a license to buy and own a crossbow. At least at some point when I can afford an expense like that. I can't for the life of me understand why, but I would much rather have a crossbow.

it's because of Daryl isn't it?

 

[Johkmil]

My first gun that i know the make of (as in other than random skeet shooting and such) is the HK 416 issued to me in during my year in the national service. It seems like there's a lot of soldiers in this thread.

Spoiler: HK416

(Not me, but same posting.]

A nice weapon, not as solid a workhorse as the old AG3, with less stopping power and a greater chance of freezing, but it has such a low recoil it could probably be fired at full auto by your common house cat.

 

[spartan231490]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

How can you be disgusted by a firearm? It's not like it smells/tastes disgusting in some way.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Depends.

Infantry are assigned weapons due to skill or ability - The strongest guy in the squad gets the M240B...

Oh God how do i dislike people who let others take pictures of themselves with guns while breaking safety rules. (if you're going to break em at least have the intelligence not to make it public)

What safety rule is he breaking? His finger isn't on the trigger, but alongside the trigger guard like it should, and it seems to be pointed in a safe direction, and it even appears that the action is locked in an open position to prove that it's been cleared.

On a 240B, the open bolt position is the 'Rock and Roll' position (Though I can't tell if its really in the open bolt position). The bolt should be forward if its not ready to fire.

Also, his finger does appear to be on the trigger, but I can't be certain. The trigger on that thing is huge.

The rule he's breaking is the fact he's in a living area, pointing a heavy weapon that could tear through every wall in the place around. And he doesn't even have the decency to properly shoulder the weapon.

For the most part though, no, its not that unsafe, all things considered. I've seen people fire 240B's akimbo before... now THATS unsafe.

I'm struggling to resist the urge to be openly insulting here, but suffice it to say I have no respect for gun owners whatsoever. No, not even if they threaten to fucking shoot me if I don't respect them.

Interesting. You have no respect for a group of people who own something you don't like, because... having guns hurts people? That can't be true, because if it was, the United States of America would have its population cut down by, what, a sixth, every year, based on gun ownership rates?

Or do you hate 52 million people because every year, less then 10000 people are murdered with firearms, most of which were in the process of illegal activity? Do you really disrespect 52 million people based on what less then 0.019% of the gun population does (Assuming each one of those murders was committed by a unique individual)?

I mean, that's an entirely fine opinion to have. I just want to be clear on what that opinion entails.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Note - USA used for stats because it has the best numbers available and because I live here/

Firstly, the majority of murderers who use firarms are not legal firearms owners but gang-bangers. Second, best estimate places the number of firearms owners in the US at close to 80 million, not 52 million.

80 million does sound closer to the truth (I was going off a 2007 NRA study). That would make it 0.0125% (Roughly) of the gun owning population, assuming they're included in the statistic.

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

How can you be disgusted by a firearm? It's not like it smells/tastes disgusting in some way.

They do kind of taste bad.

EDIT: I just realized I quoted three separate post of yours. I need to learn all you guys' names/avatars.

 

[Vault101]

I want to own a bow and arrow....but Id have nowhere to shoot it

would be nice if I lived at home on the farm

 

[Vault101]

Any forests around your area or open fields? Congrats you have somewhere to shoot it!

not that I know of...of coarse not being albe to drive is the main thing...

plus I think unless its my provate property 99% of place would probably be illigal

 

[Chunga the Great]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

Look at you; so edgy and different. I'd love to here more about how complex and philosophical your beliefs are.

OT: An old .22 I found in the basement.

 

[Chunga the Great]

Because I am disgusted by guns, I do not own nor will I ever own one. Good day, sirs.

Because I am disgusted by your need to put forth your worthless opinions where they aren't wanted, I do not nor will I ever bother taking you seriously again. Good day, sir.

Let's try to not get this topic locked, please. Don't be so acidic.

Fair point, but I've been growing quite tired very quickly of a growing portion of the once brilliant Escapist community who thinks their opinions are the shit and see themselves as intellectuals who must spread their opinions where they don't add anything (as per the one I quoted) and post several dozen threads asking our opinions on overdone issues such as sexism and racism when everybody knows almost everybody on this increasingly archaic forum is of a moderately liberal tendency. It's getting bloody old.

Just letting off steam here, take no notice of me. Don't ban me, oh nit-picky mods.

(Fuck, I've been meaning to say that for months.)

Rant over.

A-fucking-men

The past few years have seen an overwhelming rise in pretentious "look at me I'm so educated and philosophical" crap like the never-ending debates about sexism or gun control. There's still a lot of good discussion on these forums, but not nearly as much as there used to be.

 

[Ingjald]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

 

[spartan231490]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

All also good points, if the longest shot you get is 80 meters, 4X is plenty, maybe a bit too much with the smaller 32 objective lense. However, why go for the 30-06 if you're only going to be shooting 80 meters? Something like a 30-30 carbine would have much less kick and be easier to carry and will do the job just fine in that range.

 

[A Raging Emo]

As for the first one I purchased it would be my M1895 Nagant revolver, which shoots alright but ammo id s psin in the aass to find/is expensive. It is chambered in 7.62x38R Nagant, which is an interesting little round as the jacket extends past the vbullet and the revolver pushes that crimp into the barrel to create a gas seal

Spoiler: Nagant Revolver

Where did you find that? I've been looking to get one myself, but can't find one anywhere.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

As for the first one I purchased it would be my M1895 Nagant revolver, which shoots alright but ammo id s psin in the aass to find/is expensive. It is chambered in 7.62x38R Nagant, which is an interesting little round as the jacket extends past the vbullet and the revolver pushes that crimp into the barrel to create a gas seal

Spoiler: Nagant Revolver

Where did you find that? I've been looking to get one myself, but can't find one anywhere.

I got it at a local gun store for far too much money, but here is a link for you. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3nagant

 

[Ingjald]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

All also good points, if the longest shot you get is 80 meters, 4X is plenty, maybe a bit too much with the smaller 32 objective lense. However, why go for the 30-06 if you're only going to be shooting 80 meters? Something like a 30-30 carbine would have much less kick and be easier to carry and will do the job just fine in that range.

Why 30-06? Because around here the three most common calibers (meaning available and not too pricy) are 6.5x55 swedish mauser, .308 win and the 30-06, and the Weatherby Mark V only ever came chambered in one of those. Basically, during my search for "my" rifle, I fell in love with the Mark V. Never thought I'd actually own one, with the price tag and me on a bit of a tight budget, but some scrounging and patience paid off, and I found a MK. V Deluxe in 30-06 (they stopped making those in -94, not counting custom orders) for about half the retail price of a new one.

why not a 30-30? Again, not too common here, so limited selection and pretty pricy. That nothwithstanding, 30-30 has the problem of straddling the line between class 1 and 2 of calibers in our rather antiquated and arbitrary classification system (where 30-06 sits comfortably somewhere in the lower middle of class 1). Basically, only the LeveRevolution bullets can reach legal performance for big game, and only in longer barrels, defeating the purpose of a handy carbine.

Class 1 can be used on anything, classes 2 and 3 are specialty calibers for varying sizes of small game and birds, and class 4 is pretty much entirely made up of .22 LR. Class 2 and 3 game can also be hunted with shotguns, and slugs may be used on some big game assuming you're certified to own and use class 1 rifles, but only out to 40 meters. Conventional wisdom holds that a new hunters first hunting rifle should be a class 1, so they can participate in pretty much any kind of hunt, and gain experience. Specilization comes later.

Also, I picked the scope up used on a forum (1500 SEK, roughly 235 dollar) knowing it would be perfectly adequate for my initial needs. nothing says I can't replace it later on .

 

[antidonkey]

First handgun was a Taurus 92 AFS. It's pretty but heavy and shoots well enough. Also have a S&W 38 bodyguard for concealed carry. Neat little gun with a hell of kick. After a box of rounds, your hand is really sore. I currently don't have any rifles as I don't hunt and can't justify getting one. However, I've been eyeballing a Remington 770 in either 7mm Mag or 3006. Price is the same on both and that price is crazy cheap. Leaning towards the 3006 as 7mm rounds are pricey.

 

[spartan231490]

Will still have to wait a week or so for the license, but I bought my first gun last week; a Weatherby Mark V in 30-06, which I will top with a Swarovski Habicht Nova 4x32 scope. Soon to invest in handloading equipment and never leave my house again...

all good picks, but that's a bit light of a scope, only a X4 zoom.

That was my gut reaction , too. However, most game encounters here in Sweden happen at under 80 meters, and the old hands that write these hunting study books say a fixed 4x is a good middle ground. Besides, you just don't get austrian quality optics for the price I gave for this scope.

All also good points, if the longest shot you get is 80 meters, 4X is plenty, maybe a bit too much with the smaller 32 objective lense. However, why go for the 30-06 if you're only going to be shooting 80 meters? Something like a 30-30 carbine would have much less kick and be easier to carry and will do the job just fine in that range.

Why 30-06? Because around here the three most common calibers (meaning available and not too pricy) are 6.5x55 swedish mauser, .308 win and the 30-06, and the Weatherby Mark V only ever came chambered in one of those. Basically, during my search for "my" rifle, I fell in love with the Mark V. Never thought I'd actually own one, with the price tag and me on a bit of a tight budget, but some scrounging and patience paid off, and I found a MK. V Deluxe in 30-06 (they stopped making those in -94, not counting custom orders) for about half the retail price of a new one.

why not a 30-30? Again, not too common here, so limited selection and pretty pricy. That nothwithstanding, 30-30 has the problem of straddling the line between class 1 and 2 of calibers in our rather antiquated and arbitrary classification system (where 30-06 sits comfortably somewhere in the lower middle of class 1). Basically, only the LeveRevolution bullets can reach legal performance for big game, and only in longer barrels, defeating the purpose of a handy carbine.

Class 1 can be used on anything, classes 2 and 3 are specialty calibers for varying sizes of small game and birds, and class 4 is pretty much entirely made up of .22 LR. Class 2 and 3 game can also be hunted with shotguns, and slugs may be used on some big game assuming you're certified to own and use class 1 rifles, but only out to 40 meters. Conventional wisdom holds that a new hunters first hunting rifle should be a class 1, so they can participate in pretty much any kind of hunt, and gain experience. Specilization comes later.

Also, I picked the scope up used on a forum (1500 SEK, roughly 235 dollar) knowing it would be perfectly adequate for my initial needs. nothing says I can't replace it later on .

Caliber availability is huge, and 30-06 is a great caliber, you can do just about anything with it, I was just curious. Also the scope sounds like a great scope, just not the type of scope you see most people buy for their first rifles. Didn't know about the "class" divisions, sounds complicated as hell. Glad to see you toughed it out to get into the sport. Shooting is a blast, hope you enjoy it.

 

[spartan231490]

First handgun was a Taurus 92 AFS. It's pretty but heavy and shoots well enough. Also have a S&W 38 bodyguard for concealed carry. Neat little gun with a hell of kick. After a box of rounds, your hand is really sore. I currently don't have any rifles as I don't hunt and can't justify getting one. However, I've been eyeballing a Remington 770 in either 7mm Mag or 3006. Price is the same on both and that price is crazy cheap. Leaning towards the 3006 as 7mm rounds are pricey.

not sure how much it matters to you, but 7mm is more popular among bench shooters, it's a bit more accurate. If you get into hand-loading the 7mm will probably be a bit cheaper than the 30-06 as well, but both are great all-around calibers.

 

[spartan231490]

I want to own a bow and arrow....but Id have nowhere to shoot it

would be nice if I lived at home on the farm

Don't need much room to shoot a bow, I've shot one in my yard. Do you live in an apartment? Would you prefer a compound or a recurve bow? Hope you end up getting one and enjoying it, I have a blast shooting mine.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I've been looking for a nice lever action rifle for a little while now, the idea just kind of popped into my head and I want to get some suggestions. I would prefer if it shot .357 magnum ammo since my next purchase is going to be a .357 magnum revolver and I'd like to be able to share ammo between the two. Any suggestions? I'm not well versed in lever action rifles, I used to hear that marlin lever action rifles were really good but after they got bought by Remington they apparently went to crap.