Fixing the PSPGo

[scotth266]

I normally don't get pissed off over this sort of stuff but I have been saying this till my face has turned blue. NO NO NO NO NO!!! it can't work in any practical sense!! Now to reiterate if you didn't catch it the first time: This is not a PSP2, this is nothing more than a redesign like the DSi, hence forth you cannot alter the control scheme as it will compromise the system and game compatibility.

That's the crux of the matter, and the part you seem to have misunderstood. The people who want the second stick?

[HEADING=1]WE DIDN'T WANT A REDESIGN.[/HEADING]

We wanted a PSP 2. And Sony could have delivered. But they didn't.

 

[-Seraph-]

I normally don't get pissed off over this sort of stuff but I have been saying this till my face has turned blue. NO NO NO NO NO!!! it can't work in any practical sense!! Now to reiterate if you didn't catch it the first time: This is not a PSP2, this is nothing more than a redesign like the DSi, hence forth you cannot alter the control scheme as it will compromise the system and game compatibility.

That's the crux of the matter, and the part you seem to have misunderstood. The people who want the second stick?

[HEADING=1]WE DIDN'T WANT A REDESIGN.[/HEADING]

We wanted a PSP 2. And Sony could have delivered. But they didn't.

Well tough luck, the PSP2 wont be out for a long time so deal with it. Releasing a god damn PSP2 at this time would be suicide so either wait a few years and quit crying or just enjoy it for what it is as bickering solves nothing. The PSP has a planed life span of 10 years, don't expect to see a new gen hand held for a while. Honestly this second nub obsession is nothing but petty, people are never fucking satisfied with anything. This generation has been nothing but bickering and pettiness and this is a prime example. The second nub is rather irrelevant for most things, and lest we forget the N64. Honestly no one complained back then and no one should complain now. The DS has no nub at all but no one complains. Quit complaining and enjoy what you have, devs have worked around these limitations well enough.

 

[Jumplion]

That's the crux of the matter, and the part you seem to have misunderstood. The people who want the second stick?

[HEADING=1]WE DIDN'T WANT A REDESIGN.[/HEADING]

We wanted a PSP 2. And Sony could have delivered. But they didn't.

...then why are you arguing? You fully admit that this is not the PSP2 and more or less like the DSi, yet you are arguing that for some reason the Go should have 2 analog sticks. It doesn't, end of story, why are you arguing that "We don't want a redesign!" if you already got one? I doubt you're even moderately interested in a PSP (though granted I'm leaping around here)

If the PSP gets a second analog stick, it will only be when the PSP2 is coming along. Right now, the PSP2 is not in existence, so the redesign that is the Go suffices. To include two analog sticks now would separate the PSP community, and for that reason a PSP2 would be a "next generation" PSP. Explain to me, how can a game that requires 2 analog sticks to play, play on a PSP with one stick? And don't say "alternate control schemes" because that makes the 2nd analog stick completely worthless in the first place.

But now I'm getting ranty, oh well.

 

[scotth266]

Well tough luck, the PSP2 wont be out for a long time so deal with it. Releasing a god damn PSP2 at this time would be suicide so either wait a few years and quit crying or just enjoy it for what it is as bickering solves nothing. The PSP has a planed life span of 10 years, don't expect to see a new gen hand held for a while. Honestly this second nub obsession is nothing but petty, people are never fucking satisfied with anything. This generation has been nothing but bickering and pettiness and this is a prime example. The second nub is rather irrelevant for most things, and lest we forget the N64. Honestly no one complained back then and no one should complain now. The DS has no nub at all but no one complains. Quit complaining and enjoy what you have, devs have worked around these limitations well enough.

It's absolutely ridiculous to expect a handheld to have a 10 year lifespan.

The N64 came out before the second stick idea was even prelevant, and it DID have a second stick: in the form of the C buttons, which where LATER ADAPTED INTO A STICK ANYWAY when the Gamecube came out.

The DS is an evolution of the Gameboy, which has at no point featured analog nubs, and revolves around an entirely different idea of gameplay. Nintendo has a different philosophy when it comes to handheld controls, so your argument doesn't really hold much water.

...then why are you arguing? You fully admit that this is not the PSP2 and more or less like the DSi, yet you are arguing that for some reason the Go should have 2 analog sticks. It doesn't, end of story, why are you arguing that "We don't want a redesign!" if you already got one? I doubt you're even moderately interested in a PSP (though granted I'm leaping around here)

Did you not read the last part of that post? And I am interested in a PSP: it's just that I want a second nub.

If the PSP gets a second analog stick, it will only be when the PSP2 is coming along. Right now, the PSP2 is not in existence, so the redesign that is the Go suffices. To include two analog sticks now would separate the PSP community, and for that reason a PSP2 would be a "next generation" PSP. Explain to me, how can a game that requires 2 analog sticks to play, play on a PSP with one stick? And don't say "alternate control schemes" because that makes the 2nd analog stick completely worthless in the first place.

The Go may suffice for you: it does not for me, and many others. What we wanted WAS the next-generation PSP. We don't want this generation: it doesn't appeal to us.

And what are you trying to say? I know that a new system with a new control method would mean that the older system wouldn't be able to play it. See the entire history of Nintendo's handhelds. You either buy the next one, or tough luck for you, you can't play new stuff. That's HOW CONSOLES WORK.

 

[Daedalus1942]

I've hated Steam since day one. It's buggy as all hell, and the only good thing about it is if you lose the game for whatever reason and it's registered to your steam account, you're still able to play it.
The downwside is I wonder just how long we have before you can no longer buy the physical discs anymore. Do you think we will ever reach that point, where everything in gaming is download only?[/quote]

Oh, thank you, I thought you were going to be a hypocrite there. (not sarcasm, don't worry)

Personally, I don't think digital distribution will ever fully take over physical media, and if it does it won't be for a LLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG time. DD can only compliment physical media like disks and such.[/quote]
Well... One can only hope it never replaces it. I like my shiny Jewel cases, manuals and Digitally Versatile Discs.

 

[Jumplion]

Did you not read the last part of that post? And I am interested in a PSP: it's just that I want a second nub.

I apologize then.

The Go may suffice for you: it does not for me, and many others. What we wanted WAS the next-generation PSP. We don't want this generation: it doesn't appeal to us.

Then stop complaining and wait for the next generation.

See the entire history of Nintendo's handhelds.

Nintendo handhelds have hardly done anything to the buttons. You can play GBA games on a DS but not DS games on a GBA game because it doesn't work like that. Similarly, if Sony all of a sudden introduced a PSP with two nubs in the middle of all of this, you would not be able to play PSP2 games on a PSP1. Please tell me, unless for some reason Sony is trying to phase out the current PSPs, how would it make any sense to all of a sudden include what would basically be a brand new handheld?

You either buy the next one, or tough luck for you, you can't play new stuff. That's HOW CONSOLES WORK.

1. It's not a console, though that probably doesn't matter.
2. How does it make any sense to isolate 50 million users in the middle of the generation because they don't want to upgrade? Sony would need to slowly fade out the PSP just like Nintendo did with the GBA when the DS came along. Shoving out a completely new PSP, while there's still plenty of potential customers, with plenty of games being released, with plenty of buyers still out there, putting up what would basically make it 3 handhelds on the market would not be a smart move.

I still don't get this insesent need for a second nub, what games really need a second nub anyway? Name me 3 games that absolutely require two analog sticks, the only genre of games I can think of that needs two sticks would be a First-Person shooter and there are hardly any of those for the PSP anyway! Third person games, maybe, but that could easily be avoided with good camera programing.

So, you don't want to buy a PSP Go? Tough luck for you, you can't play new stuff. That's how handhelds work. I don't know if you've played any PSP games as of late (I could probably find that out in the previous posts, can't I?), but as far as I've played not a single game even remotely required two nubs for me. You don't like the fact that the Go is an upgrade, tough noogies, it's basically the same thing as a DSi. If you don't like it, shut up and wait, or just give up and get one. A PSP2 isn't coming in a while, I'd personally guess in 2 or so years, the PSP as itself is doing fine and as such wouldn't make any sense for Sony to suddenly make what would basically be a new handheld.

 

[scotth266]

I apologize then.

Apology accepted.

Then stop complaining and wait for the next generation.

It's hardly complaining to say that I want what I want. You're calling me a whiner because I dare question the almighty Sony?

Not to be insulting, but people tend to label others with opposing veiwpoints as "complainers." That's a misuse of the word, and it irritates me.

I'm not a COMPLAINER, I'm just voicing my veiwpoint.

Nintendo handhelds have hardly done anything to the buttons. You can play GBA games on a DS but not DS games on a GBA game because it doesn't work like that. Similarly, if Sony all of a sudden introduced a PSP with two nubs in the middle of all of this, you would not be able to play PSP2 games on a PSP1. Please tell me, unless for some reason Sony is trying to phase out the current PSPs, how would it make any sense to all of a sudden include what would basically be a brand new handheld?

You have just said what I've been saying this whole time. Clearly there has been some sort of misunderstanding somewhere

What I was hoping for WAS the phasing out of the first PSP: I was hoping that the PSP Go announcement was going to be the PSP2.

1. It's not a console, though that probably doesn't matter.

You're being nitpicky for no good reason. Anger fills me when I read this line, because you obviously know what I meant.

2. How does it make any sense to isolate 50 million users in the middle of the generation because they don't want to upgrade? Sony would need to slowly fade out the PSP just like Nintendo did with the GBA when the DS came along. Shoving out a completely new PSP, while there's still plenty of potential customers, with plenty of games being released, with plenty of buyers still out there, putting up what would basically make it 3 handhelds on the market would not be a smart move.

What? So what you're saying is that we'll never have another new handheld, because the risk of releasing one would be too great?

Ok, I'm still bitter about the nitpick. Three things here:

1) Why would people get a PSP Go! when they could just stick with their normal PSPs? BECAUSE THEY WANT AN UPGRADE. Is it an upgrade in graphics or controls? No. But it's still an upgrade, and if a person is willing to shell out money for a gussied-up PSP, they're willing to shell out roughly the same amount of money for a PSP2.

2) Sure, the PSP has 50 million people on it. How many more customers would Sony get if they released a PSP2, with a second nub? Seeing all the complaints about it, you and I should be able to agree that the number is significant.

3) Considering that the amount of time spent between the releases of the GBA SP and the DS seems to have been about a year, in a year this hopefully won't matter anyway, and we'll both be satisfied.

I still don't get this insesent need for a second nub, what games really need a second nub anyway? Name me 3 games that absolutely require two analog sticks, the only genre of games I can think of that needs two sticks would be a First-Person shooter and there are hardly any of those for the PSP anyway! Third person games, maybe, but that could easily be avoided with good camera programing.

Yes, there are hardly any FPS games for the PSP, and good camera programming can sometimes serve as a substitute for the second stick. That doesn't mean that the PSP wouldn't benefit from having it though. Saying that the PSP doesn't need another stick is like saying ice cream doesn't need toppings to make it better. Sure, the ice cream is good, but how much better could it be?

So, you don't want to buy a PSP Go? Tough luck for you, you can't play new stuff. That's how handhelds work. I don't know if you've played any PSP games as of late (I could probably find that out in the previous posts, can't I?), but as far as I've played not a single game even remotely required two nubs for me. You don't like the fact that the Go is an upgrade, tough noogies, it's basically the same thing as a DSi. If you don't like it, shut up and wait, or just give up and get one. A PSP2 isn't coming in a while, I'd personally guess in 2 or so years, the PSP as itself is doing fine and as such wouldn't make any sense for Sony to suddenly make what would basically be a new handheld.

*See previous points*

 

[-Seraph-]

Ask and you shall receive:

Spoiler: What I want out of the PSP

A poorly photoshopped PSP Go!

This, but with a proper keyboard as well so I don't have to be fiddling about with the analogue stick all the time.

Spoiler

Here you go, fine sir -in a Caboose sounding voice/way of talking-

Yknow what? I think this would be easier and better design than what you came up with lol. If only this was real.

 

[MecaEcco]

Its going to take more than that to fix it. By the way...you better hope digital media doesn't become the new wave. If so you will lose retail market competition. In other words Sony will be able to charge bloated prices for games you could have gotten in a store much cheaper. Case in point Jeanie D' Arc at Target 13.46. Same game on PlayStation Store 22.99. Do your part for gaming. Do not purchase online versions of disk based games (including Patapon 2).

 

[TheGreenManalishi]

I think the comparison to the DSi in terms of an 'upgrade' is irrelevant, especially since there are DSi specific-games. If I stick with my PSP 1000 while all the people with Gos are playing fancy-pants dual-analogue games, I'll either get a Go (due to the added incentive) or cry myself to sleep.

 

[Player 2]

Ask and you shall receive:

Spoiler: What I want out of the PSP

A poorly photoshopped PSP Go!

This, but with a proper keyboard as well so I don't have to be fiddling about with the analogue stick all the time.

Spoiler

Here you go, fine sir -in a Caboose sounding voice/way of talking-

Yknow what? I think this would be easier and better design than what you came up with lol. If only this was real.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-------------------
IT'S WAR NOW!
HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO ME, WHEN I CAN'T EDIT THINGS FOR SHIT :[
IT'S WAR! WAR I DECLARE! -marches off to my bunker somewhere in Cuba-

Don't worry, I still preferred yours. (it was funnier)

 

[Blood_Lined]

I think, despite how I would like a second analog stick, the PSP should have a price cut. It's hard for me to see how the PSP can survive much longer without one.

 

[Blood_Lined]

Ask and you shall receive:

Spoiler: What I want out of the PSP

A poorly photoshopped PSP Go!

This, but with a proper keyboard as well so I don't have to be fiddling about with the analogue stick all the time.

Spoiler

Here you go, fine sir -in a Caboose sounding voice/way of talking-

Yknow what? I think this would be easier and better design than what you came up with lol. If only this was real.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-------------------
IT'S WAR NOW!
HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO ME, WHEN I CAN'T EDIT THINGS FOR SHIT :[
IT'S WAR! WAR I DECLARE! -marches off to my bunker somewhere in Cuba-

Don't worry, I still preferred yours. (it was funnier)

Wow, do I want that, a touch screen and a camera for a PSP? Does it get GPS? That way I can play AND find my way home.

 

[Jumplion]

You have just said what I've been saying this whole time. Clearly there has been some sort of misunderstanding somewhere

What I was hoping for WAS the phasing out of the first PSP: I was hoping that the PSP Go announcement was going to be the PSP2.

Bah, I don't even know what we're arguing anymore, but if that's the case then what's done is done and this conversation would be over.

Yes, there are hardly any FPS games for the PSP, and good camera programming can sometimes serve as a substitute for the second stick. That doesn't mean that the PSP wouldn't benefit from having it though. Saying that the PSP doesn't need another stick is like saying ice cream doesn't need toppings to make it better. Sure, the ice cream is good, but how much better could it be?

It's funny you mention that, because I don't put toppings on mine The gummi bears get in the way and they never get in my spoon and I always have to eat them individually >_<

 

[Player 2]

Ask and you shall receive:

Spoiler: What I want out of the PSP

A poorly photoshopped PSP Go!

This, but with a proper keyboard as well so I don't have to be fiddling about with the analogue stick all the time.

Spoiler

Here you go, fine sir -in a Caboose sounding voice/way of talking-

Yknow what? I think this would be easier and better design than what you came up with lol. If only this was real.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-------------------
IT'S WAR NOW!
HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO ME, WHEN I CAN'T EDIT THINGS FOR SHIT :[
IT'S WAR! WAR I DECLARE! -marches off to my bunker somewhere in Cuba-

Don't worry, I still preferred yours. (it was funnier)

Can't take the heat, eh? I'll except your apology.
I'm still watching you...

You know that I'm the not the guy you declared war on, right? I'm the guy who originally suggested the keyboard (the one you were trying to impress). I was choosing your version, not apologizing.

 

[TheGreenManalishi]

I love how this 'war' is going.

 

[Fraught]

I've said it once and I'll say it million times more if need be; NO!! This isn't a god damn PSP2, it's just a redesign of the PSP, hence forth a second nub is neither practical or a good idea in general to implement. It would just be redundant. It would server no use, nor be usable for early games as that means patching every single god damn game, which would be a disastrous failure. If used in future games it would fuck over anyone who DOESN'T have a Go and not everyone is willing to upgrade to this.

Also NO, I know what your thinking right now, your going to point to the PS1 and it's transition to the dual shock as your defense. Well guess what, NO that will not work in this case at all for all the reasons I have said and one critical one. Unlike the PSP's console brothers, it's control mechanism is built into the system and cannot be switch. With the PS1 you were able to just buy a new controller and poof, all games there on wouldn't be a hassle. Hand Helds do not have that luxury, so for the millionth time NO! Dual analogue is something that is best left for the PSP2 (whenever that comes out).

But when the only place to get games for the PSPGo is downloadable from PSN, then Sony could put up already patched versions of games, couldn't they?

 

[-Seraph-]

But when the only place to get games for the PSPGo is downloadable from PSN, then Sony could put up already patched versions of games, couldn't they?

Thats the developers choice not Sony's. It also just wouldn't work as it would be a managment nightmare and once again, no matter what you do it makes that second nub redundant and pointless.