Flat Earth Society...

[skeliton112]

Well that's simple. God created the world because he wants free will. If there was 100% undeniable evidence the the roles would be reversed, only the foolish idiots with no intelligence would be athists.... that's no free will at all it's just common sense.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Lucifer, Adam and Eve all "revolt", even though they had full knowledge that God existed? Wouldnt that mean that people still have free will when they are 100% certain that god exists?

 

[Rawne1980]

Sometimes I wish the earth WAS flat just so I could push idiots over the edge.
Also because then this would be Discworld and that would be awesome!

Yeah, yeah, and the female orgasm is a myth.

I asked my wife why she never tells when she has an orgasm.

She said if I was there when she had them she'd tell me.

My girlfriend tells me she'll let me know when she has one.

Odd, they both certainly let ME know when they were having one! XP

I tip my hat to you my friend.

That made me chuckle.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

There are also people who deny Germ Theory, that HIV causes AIDS, that man landed on the moon, that 19 arabs hijacked four planes and crashed three of them into buildings, that there was only one shooter in Dallas on that day in 1963, that man shares a common ancestor with apes, and that the Earth goes around the Sun.

If there's a crazy idea, there's a group that believes it. If there's some long-established fact, there's a group that denies it. If it exists, there's porn of it. Whatever you think of, there's a fetish for it. Just a few rules of the internet.

This quote is full of win.

Yes its unbelievable that people can deny something that is right in front of their face, but they accept something that they have never seen in their entire lives. I often wonder what causes a person to think like that.

 

[Baron_BJ]

If you could even present a single grain of evidence for that claim I'd consider taking the idea seriously....

By the way, the universe is estimated to be approximately 14 billion years old not trillions! That's the kind of mathematical error that makes people believe the world is 6000 years old...

The whole point of my arguement is that "evidence" would remove the purpose of having an actual solid physical universe in the first place. God's aim in creating mankind was to make "true" freinds. Not people that use god as a thing that grants wishes like some sort of genie "O god give me this, k'thnxbi!" kinda of people. He wants people who will trust in him. Trusting a god who provide proof of his existence is easy. he says "I will help you" you can count on it, there's no doubt. Doubting but trusting anyway is truely trusting. Think of this. If there was no evil then how could we have good? and if there was no good how then could there be evil?

Friends don't kill friends.

If god is real then it's pretty clear he doesn't want friends. He wants servants who will suck up to him. If he wanted friends he could have whisked up some beings of equal power (it's within his power is it not? and befriended them.

The problem with your statement is that it's a hypothesis that is crafted so as to be impossible to refute (see invisible unicorn arguement) regardless of whether it has merit, it says that a god intentionally created a false history, using that very same arguement I could say that nothing before this very moment ever existed and it was all just a false memory and history created by god because "now is when shit gets good".

Regarding the ideals of good and evil; the bible says that the knowledge of good and evil is what was containted within the forbidden fruit. Basically god booted Adam and Eve out because they discovered what good and evil and he told them not to. Presumably because he didn't want mankind to know that he was kind of a bastard.

It's also worth mentioning passages in the new testament actually have Jesus stating that people are "destined" to be christians and believe. Essentially saying that there is no such thing as free will and we are born going to hell regardless of what we do in life. Charming.

 

[Xen0n]

Ok, so they believe the earth is flat, but what about the moon? Do they believe thats flat too, or is it still a sphere? From observation(you know actually looking at it, with your eyes) we can determin that it is round, because of the part of it thats lit by the sun. If it was flat it would not get that kind of shadow, it would either be all lit up, or all in shadow. Do they accept this evidence? And the what about the stuff thats orbiting the earth, all the satellites that let is watch tv and such, and the people that are actually up there right now, looking down on us? And then all the other evidence?

Any evidence that the Earth is flat is easily explained away by "It's a conspiracy". The moon is in a stationary position somewhere above the Earth, and only shines light on a small part of it at any time. Oh, and eclipses? They're caused by the ANTISUN.

And nothing is orbiting the Earth. It's all broadcasted from signal towers instead. And nobody's actually up there. NASA is a part of the conspiracy, and nobody's actually been in space to see for themselves, so all the pictures that say otherwise are fake.

Oh, right, the conspiracy. I forgot about that old chestnut. Here's a follow-up question for them; why? And I think the answer they would give me would be 'so they can control us'. And then I would ask them exactly how this control through disinformation works. Because I've never heard anyone say 'Oh, so the earth is round. Well, all hail the new world order then'.

 

[Agow95]

They used to be quite big until the founder died, now it's just the forum, in any case, the Earth is not flat, that's it, it is a sphere, there is evidence to this, there is no evidence to the Earth being flat.

 

[Raven's Nest]

If you could even present a single grain of evidence for that claim I'd consider taking the idea seriously....

By the way, the universe is estimated to be approximately 14 billion years old not trillions! That's the kind of mathematical error that makes people believe the world is 6000 years old...

The whole point of my arguement is that "evidence" would remove the purpose of having an actual solid physical universe in the first place. God's aim in creating mankind was to make "true" freinds. Not people that use god as a thing that grants wishes like some sort of genie "O god give me this, k'thnxbi!" kinda of people. He wants people who will trust in him. Trusting a god who provide proof of his existence is easy. he says "I will help you" you can count on it, there's no doubt. Doubting but trusting anyway is truely trusting. Think of this. If there was no evil then how could we have good? and if there was no go
od how then could there be evil?

The existence of Good and Evil has precisely zero bearing on whether or not God created a universe. Please demon
strate a real provable, tangible reason to believe any of the things you are saying is true. Don't lie to yourself, you deserve to know and understand truths about this universe which have been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Just for clarity, im not doubting God's existence or your right to believe. But when what you believe cannot be supported by any means of verifying its authenticity, you shouldn't go around offering it as a reason to be taken as true. At the very least it's intellectually dishonest and at the worst it's blind indoctrination.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

Funnily enough I recently heard about these people too.


With great shame, I must acknowlegde that it isn't just Americans that believe this.

 

[Something Amyss]

You don't need a diffident country
Hell Eratosthenes did it with 2 citys that are relativity close together
and he was dam close to the real value

Obviously, he was in on the conspiracy. Instead of measuring the earth, he invested his money into better and better computer technology to fake the images. You didn't know there were computers back then?

I heard the Egyptian Tec support was awful though
despite the library having wifi

To be fair, have you tried entering a WEP key (or other security protocol) using hieroglyphics?

 

[Hugga_Bear]

People don't seem to realise that the majority of that site is comprised of people trolling each other. I'm sure the odd member, presumably the ones that started it especially, believe the filth they spew but I'd wager up to 90% of the members are just trolls.

 

[Stikibunn]

For those of you providing proof, I return the comment that my own belief requires no proof. Any proof you provide to the contrary can be replied with "yes. things were made to look that way." Now, weather or not I choose to believe this really seriously doesn't matter except in rare cases where I feel like sharing it (because people like to laugh about how silly it is... heck even I think it's bollocks sometimes!) or when I want to give someone something to think about. Having a belief that god created the world 10,000 or 6000 years ago doesn't affect who I am today, doesn't make me one of those crazy conspiracy theorists or hardcore nutjobs who stick their finger in their ears whenever they hear about evolution and want it removed from schools.

Believing in unorthodox things does not make me an idiot.
ok... maybe a little bit....

But you know what?

Science is the new religion.

People today follow scientific methods and theories as religiously today as they did religions a few centuries ago. Atheists get as pissed off about prayer in schools as Christians get about evolutionary theory.
100 years ago if you wanted proof of god's beauty you would take a look through a telescope and look at how beautiful the world he made was.... now you look at the same stars to prove there is no such being.
Sure nobody has started a war for atheism yet... but it's only a matter of time before someone does...

In summery here is what I have to say:
Just because you believe something stupid doesn't mean you are an idiot... unless those beliefs become the sum of who you are.

 

[krazykidd]

Yeah, yeah, and the female orgasm is a myth.

Wait Thats real?

OT: I like this, the world would be way more fun if you could accidentally fall off the edge...

 

[Gearhead mk2]

...See, its stuff like this that makes me hate humanity.

 

[tseroff]

It's not even true that people thought the Earth was flat in the 1400s. We merely didn't realize just how big the Earth was. Christopher Columbus knew he wasn't going to fall off the edge, and so did the king of Spain. We've known the Earth was round ever since a caveman first stood on top of a mountain and went, "Shit, son. That ***** is curved."

Interestingly, there is no historical record ANYWHERE that suggests anyone in the ancient and medieval world believed that the Earth was flat. We first start finding references to it during the Enlightenment, when the Academies were trying to cast medieval society in a bad light. (They were trying to prove how stupid religious people were and display the power of reason.) Most people who believe that people believed the Earth was flat are just about as misguided as the people who ACTUALLY believe the Earth is flat. A lot of people currently believe that the Middle and Dark ages were a time of superstition, ignorance, and warfare when it had about the same amount as any time period ever.

Oh, and funny thing about Columbus: Most people knew the general size of the Earth. Columbus decided that it was much, much smaller than what everyone else said. He packed enough supplies to make it about two thirds of the way that he thought he was going, (by his estimation of the Earth's size, everything in the middle was empty. He didn't plan well and ended up taking less supplies than would even get him to where he thought his destination was.) and set sail. His crew realized this mid-voyage and were about to mutiny when they reached Hispaniola. And Columbus didn't realize, until after he went back to Europe and then came back, that the people he found weren't from India or Asia. Why does this guy have his own day again?

 

[SnakeoilSage]

Yeah, yeah, and the female orgasm is a myth.

I asked my wife why she never tells when she has an orgasm.

She said if I was there when she had them she'd tell me.

My girlfriend tells me she'll let me know when she has one.

From the information I have collected, only around 50% of women have orgasms everytime. I also found that it takes circa 4 minutes for a woman to orgasm. Interestingly enough, the navel is an erogenous zone for both sexes. (I know you were being sarcastic).

Important information to know, V_D. Men gotta step up: you wanna boast, let your lover do it for you, otherwise you're just a poser. *Laughs*

Yeah, yeah, and the female orgasm is a myth.

Wait Thats real?

OT: I like this, the world would be way more fun if you could accidentally fall off the edge...

It would put an end to the Crimson Permanent Assurance...

 

[Avatar Roku]

For those of you providing proof, I return the comment that my own belief requires no proof. Any proof you provide to the contrary can be replied with "yes. things were made to look that way." Now, weather or not I choose to believe this really seriously doesn't matter except in rare cases where I feel like sharing it (because people like to laugh about how silly it is... heck even I think it's bollocks sometimes!) or when I want to give someone something to think about. Having a belief that god created the world 10,000 or 6000 years ago doesn't affect who I am today, doesn't make me one of those crazy conspiracy theorists or hardcore nutjobs who stick their finger in their ears whenever they hear about evolution and want it removed from schools.

Believing in unorthodox things does not make me an idiot.
ok... maybe a little bit....

But you know what?

Science is the new religion.

People today follow scientific methods and theories as religiously today as they did religions a few centuries ago. Atheists get as pissed off about prayer in schools as Christians get about evolutionary theory.
100 years ago if you wanted proof of god's beauty you would take a look through a telescope and look at how beautiful the world he made was.... now you look at the same stars to prove there is no such being.
Sure nobody has started a war for atheism yet... but it's only a matter of time before someone does...

In summery here is what I have to say:
Just because you believe something stupid doesn't mean you are an idiot... unless those beliefs become the sum of who you are.

Out of curiosity, would you be ok with discussing this with me via PM? I have some responses, but I don't want to derail the thread any further.