America sounds really fucked upIf you want to play sports, yes. It's basically just a checkup to ensure you're not going to drop dead on the field or court for unknown reasons. Medical confidentiality just means the school/organization can't force your doctor to give them protected health information; they can certainly say "if you don't give it to us, you can't participate in this optional activity" though.
The cynic is me says that a large part of requiring them is to lower insurance payments for the school/org.
Sports Physicals (for Teens)
Just as professional sports stars need medical care to keep them playing their best, so do student athletes. That's why it's important to get a sports physical.kidshealth.org
Florida Bill Passes House, Allows Genital Inspection for Schools
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I want to make a Scott Morrison comment, but few forum members are Australian and so most won't know what I'm talking about.
Anyhoo, a number of people posting actually are someone's daughter, and so are the sort of person this is supposedly trying to protect.
a) There are no genital inspections in this bill. Critics made that term up.
b) The doctor can make their determination by multiple independent criteria, not only genitals.
c) Have you never experienced a hernia check?
Yes, you can't do sports without a physical. We don't want kids with undiagnosed issues getting seriously hurt.
Yes, we have medical confidentiality, but schools need to know serious ailments, allergies, etc, or they can't do anything if the child has a medical emergency in their care.
Of the reasons someone might say bad things about America, I did not expect to find "monitors the health of children".
Hrmmm....
So, the bill does potentially require the kids' healthcare providers to check their genitals and sign off a letter to verify their biological sex before they can take part in the sport. If there's a "dispute", that is indeed one of the criteria that can be verified.CS/HB 1475: Sex-specific Student Athletic Teams or Sports said:
Uh-huh, but genitals are one of the criteria.
As a child to get into sports day? No.
This is pretty low effort, even for you. You underlined only the "physical examination" part of "routine sports physical examination". They're literally doing nothing new other than potentially asking the doctor for information based on the already performed examination. The answer to the question "how do we know who has female biology" is "a doctor already did a physical, we don't need anything beyond that."
Who said "sports day"? This bill is specifically about "Interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural, or club athletic teams or sports". The bill only applies to organized, competitive sports.
So how do you reckon they assess the "the student's reproductive anatomy" during a "physical examination"? X-ray? MRI? Tarot cards? Educated guess?
I absolutely bet you it's about liabilities and insurance, because in a particularly litigious culture people will sue over anything and everything. So if one's child has a congential heart defect and collapses dead after running around a bit, what should just be a tragedy becomes a tragedy and an expensive court case.
In a sense, I wouldn't mind so much (indeed, there are lots of positives checking whether children are healthy), except that if the state / school / organisation is going to mandate these checkups, I think they should be obliged to pay for them, too.
I thought there was a big anti-vax movement that hated governments monitoring the health of children
I presume you mean an inguinal hernia, as there are several types of hernia. More to the point, is not clear to me what you think you are answering here.
Love you, too.
Think about it. An "already performed examination"-- do you think most kids have already had physical examinations of their "reproductive anatomy" by their present doctor? They may have had one as a newborn, perhaps, so if they've had the same doctor for the last ten years, I guess. Otherwise?
Otherwise, no, it's not an already performed examination.
The bill includes a requirement for a doctor to sign off on a kid's biological sex if there's a dispute, with several possible metrics, one of which is checking their genitals. So, yes, "allows genital inspection" is an accurate description. Checking the genitals would never be required before this, and now it can be in some circumstances. Everything else is technical gymnastics in an attempt to convince us that the bill doesn't say what it says.
When the old doc did the hernia check when I was in school, he did 100 other kids too and did not, in fact, check my genitals and record them in any form. If my gender ever came into dispute, I'm 99% certain that's a thing he wouldn't remember off the top of his head.
Any way you slice it, this does involve recording new information about kids genitals with the sole intention of supplying that information to schools and "concerned" parents on demand, medical confidentiality be damned, and then having it redone by the sort of asshole Karen who'd rather believe that the school is lying instead of the fact that her precious Becky just got blown out, all to solve a problem that doesn't exist in the first place and is motivated entirely by bigoted politics.
The anti-vax movement is not a particularly small government movement. If you associate anti-vax specifically with American conservatives, you're pretty off the mark.
Well, there's your first mistake.
Yes. Especially since the center of the controversy is girls old enough to see a gynecologist.
Is the situation drastically different in the US, then? Here in the UK, most people change their general practitioner numerous times, when they move etc. My doctor at school age wasn't the same one I had when I was a baby.
And the person who would deliver you as a child would be very unlikely to be your GP in life, even at a young age.
I'm pretty sure I just was referring to government monitoring of children's health. Not really anything to do with small government. I'm very sure I didn't bring up conservatives at all
Yes you're right. Anti-vaxxers are proof that trying to pile people into conservative and progressive boxes is an utterly stupid concept that doesn't match reality
The situation is drastically different, but not in a better way. Most sports checkups are done by a random doctor or nurse practitioner brought in by the school itself and they line up everybody who doesn't already have a doctor's note in the locker room or gym. The whole hernia check thing is just a holdover from the ancient times when fondling a child's balls and pressing in on their inner thigh was actually the best way to check for a hernia, while these days it turns out that, shocker, it's not a terribly reliable detection method *and* is checking for a condition that's not actually a big deal.
Hell, they don't even check girls for hernias or do any kind of vaginal genital checks for sports physicals in the first place anyway, so tstorm is just...very wrong in lots of ways.
Just reading the PPE, it sounds like it all clothes on examination.
And, I would not even know who my first doctor is. I don't even have the same doctor I had 3 years ago. But I do think there is a state run collation of medical data that you can opt into. I have never had to mandatorily state my kids medical conditions. Its the parents responsibility to detail medical history to the appropriate organization