it,s a matter of principles Steam asks before they check your specs Origin does not.Jimmybobjr said:
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I just don,t like somebody rooting around in my PC without permission look I have nothing to hide it just makes me feel uncomfortable.
"For privacy, Origin is the same as Steam" WRONG!!! -Updated
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I just don,t like somebody rooting around in my PC without permission look I have nothing to hide it just makes me feel uncomfortable.
Razada said:
holly shit this is why you should always come up with a new name when you register at erotically tinted sites.
You still aren't getting it. Both Steam and Origin have very similar 'boiler plate' Privacy policies and EULA's. What is different is how they implement these policy's in their respective software's. That's the point. They behave differently, one asks whether you want to share your hardware and software data, the other doesn't. Big difference and with Origin something new. Up until now every other piece of software asks before sharing any data it has rooted out from your system. With this new precedent set and no-one being bothered, I expect may more pieces of software that start rooting around your system to gather data, without your permission or knowledge, to will help with their product / datamine. Welcome to a brave new world....Zachary Amaranth said:
I don't understand - you wouldn't mind someone going through the stuff in your room, but you do mind if they look through the window? That's a little strange. Also, the "show your rig/desktop" thing? The point that OP was making is that even that is a voluntary thing - it's not as if you read a thread title and the forum steals your system info or screenshots your desktop and posts it online, you decide if you want to post such information, and you choose when and where. Choice is phenomenally important, and Origin holds your freedom to choose hostage with its restrictive games distribution.gmaverick019 said:
On top of that, why the fuck does any corporation think it has the right to casually browse the contents of your computer? I'm not that happy with Steam doing it, but as far as I know they grab steam game useage info and the optional hardware survey. Origin's is wonderfully open - I believe they want to be able to help themselves to your browsing history, at least at one point. Fuck that.
So what are your logins for those accounts? I mean, if you've got nothing to hide, you don't mind if random strangers browse through your emails or have a look at your messages on facebook, right? Don't worry, we won't sell the information to anyone [agreement liable to change at any time with 24 hours notice], and what could possibly go wrong with giving complete strangers with unknown and unknowable motives access to systems you use as part of your everyday life?Miroku2235 said:
You might want to drastically alter that sentence before The Moderators descend down with the ban-hammer. They don't like ad-blocks.Elate said:
Since I got a warning for this, it's not about having the Adblockers that's a problem it's disclosing it and advocating it. Obviously anyone here who uses them has Escapist in their white-list to help pay for the site. I did not know until the warning, but it's in the forum rules....Elate said:
I like how fast people will sell out their own rights for something they don't really need. I agree with the OP this is setting a dangerous precedent. Just like the Patriot act set a dangerous one. Sure I don't have anything to hide, but does that mean I want some listening in on my phone? Or do I want someone rooting around in my computer without my permission.
Shit, personally I do have some details on my computer that would fuck me socially if they got out. For instance, I am openly gay on this forum and among a few select online friends. But IRL if it was ever discovered that I was gay I would lose my family, my job, my friends...I don't want a program digging up that kind of dirt even if they agree to not sell it.
So just because you can benefit in the short term doesn't mean you should give everyone in the future the opportunity to do so. Or whats that quote everyone is using "Those that would give up freedom for security deserve neither?" something to the effect of "Those that give up there freedom for momentary temporary pleasure deserve none?"
Idk, but I'm a firm believer of voting with my wallet when it comes to corporate policies. For instance I don't buy Dominios pizza because they funnel money into anti-gay organizations, so I go to their competitors like papa johns or pizza hut. I don't like Ubisoft's DRM so I don't buy Ubisoft. I don't like EA's Origin so I don't buy from it.
TL;DR Don't give up your long term rights for short term gains. And voting with your wallet is the responsible consumer thing to do.
Shit, personally I do have some details on my computer that would fuck me socially if they got out. For instance, I am openly gay on this forum and among a few select online friends. But IRL if it was ever discovered that I was gay I would lose my family, my job, my friends...I don't want a program digging up that kind of dirt even if they agree to not sell it.
So just because you can benefit in the short term doesn't mean you should give everyone in the future the opportunity to do so. Or whats that quote everyone is using "Those that would give up freedom for security deserve neither?" something to the effect of "Those that give up there freedom for momentary temporary pleasure deserve none?"
Idk, but I'm a firm believer of voting with my wallet when it comes to corporate policies. For instance I don't buy Dominios pizza because they funnel money into anti-gay organizations, so I go to their competitors like papa johns or pizza hut. I don't like Ubisoft's DRM so I don't buy Ubisoft. I don't like EA's Origin so I don't buy from it.
TL;DR Don't give up your long term rights for short term gains. And voting with your wallet is the responsible consumer thing to do.
You do know everyone is collecting the same data Origin does, don't you? The browser you are using? Collects and send all the hardware data you have to MS, Google or Apple. Google.com collects and sends all the hardware and navigation data it needs. Facebook? They collect all sorts of interesting data about you, your tastes, your relatives and your pet...
So, stop demonizing EA for collecting statistical and aggregation data about your GeForce or your version of Windows. If you are so concern about your privacy, I advice you to cut the Internet cable right now. Otherwise, I would advice you to live with the idea that you and your PC has little privacy and the best you can hope for is that companies will limit themselves to statistics and won't sell that info to telemarketing channels.
So, stop demonizing EA for collecting statistical and aggregation data about your GeForce or your version of Windows. If you are so concern about your privacy, I advice you to cut the Internet cable right now. Otherwise, I would advice you to live with the idea that you and your PC has little privacy and the best you can hope for is that companies will limit themselves to statistics and won't sell that info to telemarketing channels.
You want to back up your accusations about browsers being the same as Origin in sending your software details to MS without your permission? As I think you are factually wrong. Also I use Firefox where they give you the option of whether you want to share those details or not.hermes200 said:
And again with the Facebook, etc, false equivalently. No, Facebook does not root around your system to find out what software you are using. Everything you make public or share with Facebook is optional, you control it.
What Origin does with collecting software data and transmitting it to EA is new.
False, false, FALSE. Both collect data anyway, regardless. Only certain elements are optional, which I JUST SAID.ph0b0s123 said:
One asks you and does it anyway, one doesn't ask you and does it anyway. I think the pretense of the former is worse. But hey, paraphrase Aldous Huxley and sound the alarms. Maybe you could violate Godwin's Law, while you're at it. That way we can hit all the major "false alarm" buttons at the same time.
I'm sorry, that precedent has already been set. Not just by Valve corporation, which has a similar policy, but by dozens and dozens of other commonly used EULAs. If that's what you're worried about, that ship has sailed. That genie is out of the bottle. That gun has been fired.Sandytimeman said:
Hell, courts have upheld the "you can't sue us" style of EULA. That's already been forgotten.
Last I checked I opted to not share my info with steam and was still enjoying its service. Try that with Origin...oh wait...Zachary Amaranth said:
No, they have what software you use, versions, modifications, no-CD patches, how often you use it, anything else they can potentially gather by rooting around. If it was just hardware details it may have not been such a big issue.kasperbbs said:
You will see people saying that the rooting around seems harmless at the moment, but now the precedent has been set there is nothing to stop them increasing how invasive the rooting around is. That no-CD patch, or game mod your are using on a EA game, EA don't like that, so ban, no more access to your paid for EA games anymore...