-snip- and btw Steam gathers a lot of information regarding hardware and software too. Go look at theirs statistics charts, they gather info on almost all of people's back round programs and their hardware they are running. But, for the same reason people don't pick on Steam, I don't pick on Origin, because I have yet to see them take anything actually important. -snip-
For the endth time, Steam's hardware software collection is OPTIONAL. That's the difference why I started this thread. ORIGIN IS NOT THE SAME AS STEAM ON THIS POINT.
That's why I am happy to use Steam, but not Origin. One change and I would be happy with Origin as well.
Right.
Ive waited 3 days for a decent responce to my initial question.
Ive not gotten a single good counter-argument.
Almost all of the posts that responded seemed to rely on "Principle" of some sort, many just "Dont like people going around in my computer" and one complained that it was due to paranoia.
I read all of the above as "I dont like it, because i dont like it."
Its like my father saying "No" To a request. Why? "BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
Then you are not reading very well. Your initial argument that companies are allowed to invade your privacy as much as they like as long as it is to improve their products was dumb.
Also you only stipulated that Origin collects Hardware details. It doesn't it collects details about the software on your computer which is what is more worrying.
Maybe if the question had seem less like a trolling effort it would have gotten more of a response.
I certainly am not going to give a philosophical debate on why people should expect a right to privacy, as it is fundamental.
The one thing with Origin is that it is opening a new front on invasion of privacy. That is the collection of details about your system by rooting around and then communication of those detail back to it's parent company without your permission. That is new. If unopposed other companies will start doing the same thing.
As far as the worst case scenario you mentioned. As I posted before, being banned from all the EA games you have brought because they have detected a mod they don't agree with, would be pretty bad from my POV.
As far as the worst case scenario you mentioned. As I posted before, being banned from all the EA games you have brought because they have detected a mod they don't agree with, would be pretty bad from my POV.
-snip- and btw Steam gathers a lot of information regarding hardware and software too. Go look at theirs statistics charts, they gather info on almost all of people's back round programs and their hardware they are running. But, for the same reason people don't pick on Steam, I don't pick on Origin, because I have yet to see them take anything actually important. -snip-
For the endth time, Steam's hardware software collection is OPTIONAL. That's the difference why I started this thread. ORIGIN IS NOT THE SAME AS STEAM ON THIS POINT.
That's why I am happy to use Steam, but not Origin. One change and I would be happy with Origin as well.
Ok, now go back and read what I said. I am perfectly happy letting Origin gather what minuscule data they want, as it's never bothered me before. I let Steam do it, and I let most of the programs on my computer that do data gathering do this, because there is honestly nothing on my computer they could steal under their EULA that would actually bother me. If you feel Origin is taking information you don't like you should have just uninstalled it ages ago and stopped making pointless threads, or go complained to EA because EA's PR certainly won't see it here (to what degree they listen to their PR is variable though, but it definitely won't reach anyone important here on this site)
" The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer
(including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as
information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful
installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware." -Origin Eula
"The non-personal information collected may include demographic information including gender, age, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, game system, media, mobile device, including unique device IDs or other device identifiers, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as username, user ID or persona, feature usage, game play statistics, scores and achievements, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles such as friends lists or purchases, for instance." -General Ea data collection policy
So heres the information they can take
-Ip
-Operating System
-Hardware Specifications
-Peripheral Devices
-Installed Software
-Software Usage
-General Account Information (That's a given no matter what program)
-Network Media Access Control Address and Connection
-General Origin Feature Usage
So yeah, check the facts first.
EDIT: Forgot to respond to the Steam bit. Yes Steam takes Hardware and Software Information. However, this is nothing like what Origin is doing. With Origin you are forced into it. If you want to play any EA games on PC you have to allow EA to look at the above information. With Steam it is in the form of an optional monthly survey. You can use Steam and unless you agree to the monthly survey as well then you don't have to give them any of your information.
So yea, you just proved my point, my point isn't that they gather data, this was a given AGES ago, everyone knoes Origin, as well as most other programs gather data. However here is a big diffrence between when you say "They take ALL of your hardware and software information." Which is bias talk translating to "They steal ALL the personal info on my machine". No, just no, look at what you posted. All the info you posted on what they take is fairly regular information for data gathering. They may take on a whole a bit more then some programs, but it still isn't that much. Under that EULA they can't keylog you or steal personal files, they can only look at what programs you have.
-Ip
*Needed for basically anything web based
-Operating System
*Required for the software to run
-Hardware Specifications
*Basic info needed for running software, extra data gathered on this is generally
unimportant, NEVER heard anyone complain about this
-Peripheral Devices
*Probably the most intrusive thing on here, they can see what type of keyboard or mouse you are using, or if you use a iPhone or Android (Note they say "unique device IDs or other device identifiers" not info on the device)
-Installed Software
*Installed software, at least to me this isn't intrusive, Steam does this, never bothered me
-Software Usage
*So they can see you install/uninstall software, and they can see if you like to use Chrome or Firefox, this isn't to large of a difference from installed software, except they get to know if those programs you installed are actually being used (as opposed to say if you had installed Steam, but never use it, they'd be able to tell the difference) because looking at just what is installed doesn't tell them much in terms of demographic software use.
-General Account Information (That's a given no matter what program)
-Network Media Access Control Address and Connection
*More network information
-General Origin Feature Usage
As far as the worst case scenario you mentioned. As I posted before, being banned from all the EA games you have brought because they have detected a mod they don't agree with, would be pretty bad from my POV.
Oh, so your support them ban you for how you use their games? So you support Origin not only being a data mining software distribution system, but also being a form of control on your system as well. Nice...
Oh, so your support them ban you for how you use their games? So you support Origin not only being a data mining software distribution system, but also being a form of control on your system as well. Nice...
I have no idea how what I said translates into ME supporting them or that decision; I am simply guessing at their business strategy since it's a similar strategy employed by a number of other service providers.
Well actually they are the same. Both of them collect data and both of them ask you if they are allowed to collect data. Oh ya and if you say no to either one that you cant use their service. That goes for both Origin AND Steam. At least with Origin they have the balls to come out and say exactly what they cant and cant do with the information they gather.
WRONG!!!!! As has been said 100 times, if don't take part in Steam's hardware and software survey (the mechanism by which Steam sends the info it has found from your system), you can keep using the service. For the 100 th time disclosing your hardware and software setup is OPTIONAL with Steam. NOT THE SAME AS ORIGIN WERE IT IS MANDATORY!!!!!
I probably should have weighed in on this earlier, since I was the one posting about how Steam does the same thing a few months back, but here it is: Steam does the same thing, and the only way you have a case here is if you actually refuse to participate in the steam hardware survey. The vast majority of Steam users, including the ones who were complaining about Origin, participate in that survey. What's more, my point was not that Origin was magically good, but that Steam is actually just as bad. Congratulations for realizing that the origin EULA is bs, but you lose points for missing the fact that they /all/ are bs, not to mention only "legal" on the technicality that the judges who ruled them so are apparently confused by the fact that it's digital; this was tried with both books and records about a century ago, and it was ruled illegal in both cases. Literally the only difference is the fact that this is a new technology, and the judges are old coots.
-snip- and btw Steam gathers a lot of information regarding hardware and software too. Go look at theirs statistics charts, they gather info on almost all of people's back round programs and their hardware they are running. But, for the same reason people don't pick on Steam, I don't pick on Origin, because I have yet to see them take anything actually important. -snip-
For the endth time, Steam's hardware software collection is OPTIONAL. That's the difference why I started this thread. ORIGIN IS NOT THE SAME AS STEAM ON THIS POINT.
That's why I am happy to use Steam, but not Origin. One change and I would be happy with Origin as well.
Ok, now go back and read what I said. I am perfectly happy letting Origin gather what minuscule data they want, as it's never bothered me before. I let Steam do it, and I let most of the programs on my computer that do data gathering do this, because there is honestly nothing on my computer they could steal under their EULA that would actually bother me. If you feel Origin is taking information you don't like you should have just uninstalled it ages ago and stopped making pointless threads, or go complained to EA because EA's PR certainly won't see it here (to what degree they listen to their PR is variable though, but it definitely won't reach anyone important here on this site)
" The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer
(including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as
information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful
installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware." -Origin Eula
"The non-personal information collected may include demographic information including gender, age, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, game system, media, mobile device, including unique device IDs or other device identifiers, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as username, user ID or persona, feature usage, game play statistics, scores and achievements, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles such as friends lists or purchases, for instance." -General Ea data collection policy
So heres the information they can take
-Ip
-Operating System
-Hardware Specifications
-Peripheral Devices
-Installed Software
-Software Usage
-General Account Information (That's a given no matter what program)
-Network Media Access Control Address and Connection
-General Origin Feature Usage
So yeah, check the facts first.
EDIT: Forgot to respond to the Steam bit. Yes Steam takes Hardware and Software Information. However, this is nothing like what Origin is doing. With Origin you are forced into it. If you want to play any EA games on PC you have to allow EA to look at the above information. With Steam it is in the form of an optional monthly survey. You can use Steam and unless you agree to the monthly survey as well then you don't have to give them any of your information.
So yea, you just proved my point, my point isn't that they gather data, this was a given AGES ago, everyone knoes Origin, as well as most other programs gather data. However here is a big diffrence between when you say "They take ALL of your hardware and software information." Which is bias talk translating to "They steal ALL the personal info on my machine". No, just no, look at what you posted. All the info you posted on what they take is fairly regular information for data gathering. They may take on a whole a bit more then some programs, but it still isn't that much. Under that EULA they can't keylog you or steal personal files, they can only look at what programs you have.
-Ip
*Needed for basically anything web based
-Operating System
*Required for the software to run
-Hardware Specifications
*Basic info needed for running software, extra data gathered on this is generally
unimportant, NEVER heard anyone complain about this
-Peripheral Devices
*Probably the most intrusive thing on here, they can see what type of keyboard or mouse you are using, or if you use a iPhone or Android (Note they say "unique device IDs or other device identifiers" not info on the device)
-Installed Software
*Installed software, at least to me this isn't intrusive, Steam does this, never bothered me
-Software Usage
*So they can see you install/uninstall software, and they can see if you like to use Chrome or Firefox, this isn't to large of a difference from installed software, except they get to know if those programs you installed are actually being used (as opposed to say if you had installed Steam, but never use it, they'd be able to tell the difference) because looking at just what is installed doesn't tell them much in terms of demographic software use.
-General Account Information (That's a given no matter what program)
-Network Media Access Control Address and Connection
*More network information
-General Origin Feature Usage
Again what is this other software that collects as many details about your software setup as Origin does, as a mandatory part of using that software. Please list them with evidence for your assertions.
And no I don't have Origin installed and won't use it while it works the way it does.
And no, it is not a pointless thread as people still are unable to grasp the basic concept that Origin is not the same as Steam for taking data. Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway. As long as people thing the two are the same from a privacy point of view, this thread is needed....
-snip- and btw Steam gathers a lot of information regarding hardware and software too. Go look at theirs statistics charts, they gather info on almost all of people's back round programs and their hardware they are running. But, for the same reason people don't pick on Steam, I don't pick on Origin, because I have yet to see them take anything actually important. -snip-
For the endth time, Steam's hardware software collection is OPTIONAL. That's the difference why I started this thread. ORIGIN IS NOT THE SAME AS STEAM ON THIS POINT.
That's why I am happy to use Steam, but not Origin. One change and I would be happy with Origin as well.
Ok, now go back and read what I said. I am perfectly happy letting Origin gather what minuscule data they want, as it's never bothered me before. I let Steam do it, and I let most of the programs on my computer that do data gathering do this, because there is honestly nothing on my computer they could steal under their EULA that would actually bother me. If you feel Origin is taking information you don't like you should have just uninstalled it ages ago and stopped making pointless threads, or go complained to EA because EA's PR certainly won't see it here (to what degree they listen to their PR is variable though, but it definitely won't reach anyone important here on this site)
" The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer
(including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as
information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful
installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware." -Origin Eula
"The non-personal information collected may include demographic information including gender, age, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, game system, media, mobile device, including unique device IDs or other device identifiers, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as username, user ID or persona, feature usage, game play statistics, scores and achievements, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles such as friends lists or purchases, for instance." -General Ea data collection policy
So heres the information they can take
-Ip
-Operating System
-Hardware Specifications
-Peripheral Devices
-Installed Software
-Software Usage
-General Account Information (That's a given no matter what program)
-Network Media Access Control Address and Connection
-General Origin Feature Usage
So yeah, check the facts first.
EDIT: Forgot to respond to the Steam bit. Yes Steam takes Hardware and Software Information. However, this is nothing like what Origin is doing. With Origin you are forced into it. If you want to play any EA games on PC you have to allow EA to look at the above information. With Steam it is in the form of an optional monthly survey. You can use Steam and unless you agree to the monthly survey as well then you don't have to give them any of your information.
So yea, you just proved my point, my point isn't that they gather data, this was a given AGES ago, everyone knoes Origin, as well as most other programs gather data. However here is a big diffrence between when you say "They take ALL of your hardware and software information." Which is bias talk translating to "They steal ALL the personal info on my machine". No, just no, look at what you posted. All the info you posted on what they take is fairly regular information for data gathering. They may take on a whole a bit more then some programs, but it still isn't that much. Under that EULA they can't keylog you or steal personal files, they can only look at what programs you have.
-Ip
*Needed for basically anything web based
-Operating System
*Required for the software to run
-Hardware Specifications
*Basic info needed for running software, extra data gathered on this is generally
unimportant, NEVER heard anyone complain about this
-Peripheral Devices
*Probably the most intrusive thing on here, they can see what type of keyboard or mouse you are using, or if you use a iPhone or Android (Note they say "unique device IDs or other device identifiers" not info on the device)
-Installed Software
*Installed software, at least to me this isn't intrusive, Steam does this, never bothered me
-Software Usage
*So they can see you install/uninstall software, and they can see if you like to use Chrome or Firefox, this isn't to large of a difference from installed software, except they get to know if those programs you installed are actually being used (as opposed to say if you had installed Steam, but never use it, they'd be able to tell the difference) because looking at just what is installed doesn't tell them much in terms of demographic software use.
-General Account Information (That's a given no matter what program)
-Network Media Access Control Address and Connection
*More network information
-General Origin Feature Usage
Again what is this other software that collects as many details about your software setup as Origin does, as a mandatory part of using that software. Please list them with evidence for your assertions.
And no I don't have Origin installed and won't use it while it works the way it does.
And no, it is not a pointless thread as people still are unable to grasp the basic concept that Origin is not the same as Steam for taking data. Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway. As long as people thing the two are the same from a privacy point of view, this thread is needed....
So quit railing against Origin in particular and start fighting EULA's in general. That's the real villain here: "contracts" that the user is forced to accept after money has already changed hands, which add additional stipulations that weren't there at the time of sale. Because until those are made illegal, we're going to keep getting bullshit like this.
I probably should have weighed in on this earlier, since I was the one posting about how Steam does the same thing a few months back, but here it is: Steam does the same thing, and the only way you have a case here is if you actually refuse to participate in the steam hardware survey. The vast majority of Steam users, including the ones who were complaining about Origin, participate in that survey. What's more, my point was not that Origin was magically good, but that Steam is actually just as bad. Congratulations for realizing that the origin EULA is bs, but you lose points for missing the fact that they /all/ are bs, not to mention only "legal" on the technicality that the judges who ruled them so are apparently confused by the fact that it's digital; this was tried with both books and records about a century ago, and it was ruled illegal in both cases. Literally the only difference is the fact that this is a new technology, and the judges are old coots.
Again what is this other software that collects as many details about your software setup as Origin does, as a mandatory part of using that software. Please list them with evidence for your assertions.
And no I don't have Origin installed and won't use it while it works the way it does.
And no, it is not a pointless thread as people still are unable to grasp the basic concept that Origin is not the same as Steam for taking data. Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway. As long as people thing the two are the same from a privacy point of view, this thread is needed....
No, this thread is not. You keep saying Steam and Origin are different, they gather very similar sets of data on your computer, the ONLY difference is that Steam has an option to opt-out of their hardware and software data poll while still using their software and Origin does not. This is a given fact, there is no "opinion" to argue in this thread. The only thing that you can argue is whether or not data collection like this on a whole is ok, which has been done to death on countless other threads.
Everyone knows this, and everyone is capable of grasping this concept. You seem to think that Origin's ability to do this makes it special though. You said "Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway" Is completely false, you MUST AGREE TO THE EULA that both Steam and Origin have, the EULA is what you agree to that gives them the ability to start data collection, the only difference is once you've accepted the EULA, in Steam you may choose not to have hardware and software data collected by personally finding the option not to. You still have the option to in Origin, it's called the uninstall button.
Basically, if you installed Steam or Origin, you agreed to initially allow data collection by accepting it.
Most other programs allow the ability to opt out of data collection, yes, very few people do this though. Since your standard company isn't stupid enough to start stealing personal files and information, and neither is EA. It's demographic polling, they just want to be able to see what their user base is using and doing so they can try to provide things that will make customer want to come back to them, this is the reason any company does this.
I probably should have weighed in on this earlier, since I was the one posting about how Steam does the same thing a few months back, but here it is: Steam does the same thing, and the only way you have a case here is if you actually refuse to participate in the steam hardware survey. The vast majority of Steam users, including the ones who were complaining about Origin, participate in that survey. What's more, my point was not that Origin was magically good, but that Steam is actually just as bad. Congratulations for realizing that the origin EULA is bs, but you lose points for missing the fact that they /all/ are bs, not to mention only "legal" on the technicality that the judges who ruled them so are apparently confused by the fact that it's digital; this was tried with both books and records about a century ago, and it was ruled illegal in both cases. Literally the only difference is the fact that this is a new technology, and the judges are old coots.
The EULA for Origin was different in Germany due to some weird loophole in German law; that picture never applied to anywhere but Germany.
Edit: also, are we sure Lexmark is a tax return program in the first place? I used to have a Lexmark printer, that could easily be a driver package -- you know, hardware information?
Nevermind, it's Lexware, not Lexmark. I could have sworn someone called it Lexmark in this thread, though.
What are they going to 'take' from your PC? Your gaming preferences and your hardware specs? So they can make games tailored to what people are playing?
Again what is this other software that collects as many details about your software setup as Origin does, as a mandatory part of using that software. Please list them with evidence for your assertions.
And no I don't have Origin installed and won't use it while it works the way it does.
And no, it is not a pointless thread as people still are unable to grasp the basic concept that Origin is not the same as Steam for taking data. Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway. As long as people thing the two are the same from a privacy point of view, this thread is needed....
No, this thread is not. You keep saying Steam and Origin are different, they gather very similar sets of data on your computer, the ONLY difference is that Steam has an option to opt-out of their hardware and software data poll while still using their software and Origin does not. This is a given fact, there is no "opinion" to argue in this thread. The only thing that you can argue is whether or not data collection like this on a whole is ok, which has been done to death on countless other threads.
Everyone knows this, and everyone is capable of grasping this concept. You seem to think that Origin's ability to do this makes it special though. You said "Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway" Is completely false, you MUST AGREE TO THE EULA that both Steam and Origin have, the EULA is what you agree to that gives them the ability to start data collection, the only difference is once you've accepted the EULA, in Steam you may choose not to have hardware and software data collected by personally finding the option not to. You still have the option to in Origin, it's called the uninstall button.
Basically, if you installed Steam or Origin, you agreed to initially allow data collection by accepting it.
Most other programs allow the ability to opt out of data collection, yes, very few people do this though. Since your standard company isn't stupid enough to start stealing personal files and information, and neither is EA. It's demographic polling, they just want to be able to see what their user base is using and doing so they can try to provide things that will make customer want to come back to them, this is the reason any company does this.
You said it yourself, they are different in that, in one the collected software data being sent back to EA is mandatory and one the other that data being sent back is optional. And no not everybody gets that as if you just look on this page, people believe that the way Steam and Origin collect data and send it back to EA or Valve is the same. This thread is to dispel this misconception.
they snoop around, find any illegal software you have, find that you have torrent client installed, some illegal music, take that to court and sue you for copyright infrigement and piracy. 1000$ fine for one song i think it was?
honestly, origin doesnt bother me that much. maybe it should but i only use my desktop for gaming and auto cad, so i dont really see why i should care all that much if theyre going to look at my computer. i have one or two programs that i torrented a while ago but unless theyre going to report me for that, i dont see the hurt in letting them look around my system. maybe im being ignorant to anyone can feel free to correct me. heres what DOES matter to me. i enjoy playing the old republic and i want to play mass effect 3. would i prefer to not play games on origin? sure. but i would also prefer to not play games on steam. what matters to me is whether a game is fun
What are they going to 'take' from your PC? Your gaming preferences and your hardware specs? So they can make games tailored to what people are playing?
No, the precedent this opens is that companies can data mine anything contained on your system for whatever reason they like as a stipulation of using their software.
Again what is this other software that collects as many details about your software setup as Origin does, as a mandatory part of using that software. Please list them with evidence for your assertions.
And no I don't have Origin installed and won't use it while it works the way it does.
And no, it is not a pointless thread as people still are unable to grasp the basic concept that Origin is not the same as Steam for taking data. Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway. As long as people thing the two are the same from a privacy point of view, this thread is needed....
No, this thread is not. You keep saying Steam and Origin are different, they gather very similar sets of data on your computer, the ONLY difference is that Steam has an option to opt-out of their hardware and software data poll while still using their software and Origin does not. This is a given fact, there is no "opinion" to argue in this thread. The only thing that you can argue is whether or not data collection like this on a whole is ok, which has been done to death on countless other threads.
Everyone knows this, and everyone is capable of grasping this concept. You seem to think that Origin's ability to do this makes it special though. You said "Yes 'taking', as I don't want them to have it but they did anyway" Is completely false, you MUST AGREE TO THE EULA that both Steam and Origin have, the EULA is what you agree to that gives them the ability to start data collection, the only difference is once you've accepted the EULA, in Steam you may choose not to have hardware and software data collected by personally finding the option not to. You still have the option to in Origin, it's called the uninstall button.
Basically, if you installed Steam or Origin, you agreed to initially allow data collection by accepting it.
Most other programs allow the ability to opt out of data collection, yes, very few people do this though. Since your standard company isn't stupid enough to start stealing personal files and information, and neither is EA. It's demographic polling, they just want to be able to see what their user base is using and doing so they can try to provide things that will make customer want to come back to them, this is the reason any company does this.
You said it yourself, they are different in that, in one the collected software data being sent back to EA is mandatory and one the other that data being sent back is optional. And no not everybody gets that as if you just look on this page, people believe that the way Steam and Origin collect data and send it back to EA or Valve is the same. This thread is to dispel this misconception.
And? That's the whole point of an EULA. Steam only allows the opt out because Valve wants to avoid this kind of PR. Do you read every EULA you agree to? If not, you might be surprised at all the crap you've agreed to over the years. If so, why are you picking on poor EA when the whole bloody system is evil, and they're just one cog?
Edit: Just saw your post about precedent setting. This is not precedent setting. The precedent was set in a court case back in the 90's. EULAs, look 'em up.
Apart from your caps lock key failing? Let's just try it then:
First of all, EA reports all of your software to FAST as illegal. "It's a bug that we'll fix in the next iteration".
Secondly, EA uses the Origin EULA to re-justify the intrusion measures it took out of the original. Under their terms, they are allowed to change it back at any time, and unless you regularly check up on their Origin updates page - you are signing up to whatever new contract they want to make a month after they have made that change.
Thirdly, they don't have to allow you access to that page. If you don't/can't check it within that time, then you are legally bound by any conditions they put in it.
Fourthly, all of your MP3s are reported to RIAA as stolen "It's a bug that we'll fix..." This is a legal matter, so it's not covered in reporting to third parties.
Fifthly, all of your Tweets/Bookface updates are taken at face value. That means, say, that "I'm going to kill you" is reported as an incitement to commit murder.
Sixthly, EA install their own software that demands updates at specific times and takes resources from your machine to do them. This is what Apple already does (You may have noticed iTunes wishing to install and push your running programs to the background) - this may also stealth install toolbars and the like - As Apple does with Opera.
Seventhly, all of your EA games stop working. "It's a bug we'll fix with the next iteration as you seem to have been banned from our forums".
Eighthly, backwards compatability of old EA games stop working.
Ninethly, because of the ongoing row with Steam, Origin deliberately interferes with Steam's running and feeds Valve false data.
Tenthly, Origin marks system resources only for its use.
Eleventhly, Origin removes all mods (like the new Mass Effect 3 face changer mod) because it cannot be certain they're compatible.
Twelvethly, Origin alters your browser to be more likely to bring up Electronic Arts software.
Thirteenthly, Origin makes you sit through adverts for new ME games - like "Your Mother Wouldn't Like This Game" or "Sin to Win"
Fourteenthly, EA removes all access to play EA games on Steam.
Now consider that all fourteen cases are allowed within the rights you have now signed on the EULA - and more could be added using the "We reserve the right to update the EULA at any time - If you disagree, you must delete all EA products from your system."
And on Steam - What re-assurance has EA given that if it collapses tomorrow, you'll still be able to play EA games?
Oh, and Fifteen? You can't sue them for any damage they do to your machine due to this.
Edit: Sixteen, LULZsec, or someone else, duplicates Origin's authentication. Now they've access to ALL OF THE DATA.
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