Fox News Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art

[KirbyKrackle]

I challenge the second to last sentence of this article. All games are art and ignorance of this only causes more confusion for people on the outside looking in.

You don't know much about art theory do you.

Actually im an art student, so yeah.....you need to expand your notion of what is art. if you just decide something doesn't count as art then your just as bad as those who don't respect the dada movement. Whether certain games serve as good art is another question

The artistic value of an object isn't definable by its medium. So not every painting is art, not every piece of music is art, not every movie is art and not every videogame is art. Therefore you can't say that all games are art, because they're not.

Says you. There are many who would agree that every painting is a work of art and to me this expands to all media. Like I said there is good art and bad art but saying that something doesn't even qualify is disrespectful to the creators

If there are many, you should be able to name a few of the more prominent members of this "many", of course, or at least name which art theory you're basing this opinion of yours on. Really, that seems as shallow and ill-thought-out a statement as "all text is literature", and I'd love for you to explain how this post I've just wrote is literature.

It also runs into the problem of "if everything is art then nothing is art". You even seem to have recognized this yourself, what with your attempts to create a difference between "good" and "bad" art. How is that different than saying that some things are art and somethings aren't art? I await your explanation with bated breath.


And more on topic: Well, at least they didn't include random footage of an exploding van, so I guess FOX's standards might actually be improving (Fox News: Providing new lows at which to set the bar).

 

[Biodeamon]

Dear Fox News. I think I speak for all people of rational thinking and common sense when I say:

amen.

 

[Biodeamon]

quite frankly, i'm not surprised.

they're so starved and stupid for information they take news from comedy new shows like the onion.

 

[Purple Shrimp]

i know you guys aren't going to get anything get in the way of your fervent hatred of Fox News but the article in the OP is also unbelievably biased

Yeah, how dare they make Fox look bad with the Escapists pathetic attachment to "facts" and "presenting everything in context".

"To its credit, Fox News brought in editor-in-chief of Icrontic Brian Ambrozy, who actually knew what he was talking about. Fox pitted him against radio talk-show host Neal Asbury, whose intention was obviously to ignore the facts and spout rhetoric."

the first bolded comment pretty much objectively has no place in an article with any pretense to journalistic integrity, and the second isn't much better. I accept that fox news is dumb but it's sort of infantile to attack them in this way

 

[Ranchcroutons]

I challenge the second to last sentence of this article. All games are art and ignorance of this only causes more confusion for people on the outside looking in.

You don't know much about art theory do you.

Actually im an art student, so yeah.....you need to expand your notion of what is art. if you just decide something doesn't count as art then your just as bad as those who don't respect the dada movement. Whether certain games serve as good art is another question

The artistic value of an object isn't definable by its medium. So not every painting is art, not every piece of music is art, not every movie is art and not every videogame is art. Therefore you can't say that all games are art, because they're not.

Says you. There are many who would agree that every painting is a work of art and to me this expands to all media. Like I said there is good art and bad art but saying that something doesn't even qualify is disrespectful to the creators

If there are many, you should be able to name a few of the more prominent members of this "many", of course, or at least name which art theory you're basing this opinion of yours on. Really, that seems as shallow and ill-thought-out a statement as "all text is literature", and I'd love for you to explain how this post I've just wrote is literature.

It also runs into the problem of "if everything is art then nothing is art". You even seem to have recognized this yourself, what with your attempts to create a difference between "good" and "bad" art. How is that different than saying that some things are art and somethings aren't art? I await your explanation with bated breath.


And more on topic: Well, at least they didn't include random footage of an exploding van, so I guess FOX's standards might actually be improving (Fox News: Providing new lows at which to set the bar).

and now your getting a little frumpy. our concept of art is conflicting so i will just leave this alone because there is no greater waste of time than arguing over the internet. sorry to have gotten you so riled up just take a few breaths and let the passion subside. I am of the opinion that "everything is art" and only offer the good art/bad art concept to help out those who aren't ready to accept my theory that all things are art. You are one of these people and the people who agree with me aren't great scholars or people of historical note but colleagues and friends. But their opinions mean nothing to you so I guess I'm just some stupid person on the internet that you can feel vastly superior to intellectually. Congratulations you win 500 internetz!

 

[FalloutJack]

Hey, Fox. Got a little message for ya. You keep all this shit up...

 

[Rusty pumpkin]

It's fox, they are like that 1 uncle who refuses to accept that no one likes him but the people who never met him, and continues showing up at your family events spouting nonsense on how the world is degenerating and everyone but him is living wrong while he slurps alcohol.

... I feel I should add that I do not have an uncle like this, that was just a peculiar simile I made up.

Anyways, the day fox is given any real credibility by intelligent people is the day I will eat my non-exsistant hat with a side of steamed socks.

 

[Nightvalien]

Get a drink, watch Fox News, and take a sip every time they lie, blow something out of proportion, or use strawman attacks. My record was 20 minutes conscious.

20 minutes holy damn dude, your liver must be messed up beyond repair.

 

[bombadilillo]

Someone should tell Fox that paintings are considered art so the big bag governments going to start paying people to paint houses I bet. And car painters. And you know who else had his house painted once? Hitler.

 

[deserteagleeye]

I haven't watched Fox News for a while and when I finally do, they're just bullying my precious medium again. I just wished Brian could have gone into more detail about his point of view before they just cut off the debate where Asbury makes his final statement like he is the voice of reason.

 

[9999squirrels]

In all fairness it IS Fox. The entire News Station is rhetoric and general garbage. In a point in it's favour, it is a primary source for "The Daily Show".

 

[KirbyKrackle]

I challenge the second to last sentence of this article. All games are art and ignorance of this only causes more confusion for people on the outside looking in.

You don't know much about art theory do you.

Actually im an art student, so yeah.....you need to expand your notion of what is art. if you just decide something doesn't count as art then your just as bad as those who don't respect the dada movement. Whether certain games serve as good art is another question

The artistic value of an object isn't definable by its medium. So not every painting is art, not every piece of music is art, not every movie is art and not every videogame is art. Therefore you can't say that all games are art, because they're not.

Says you. There are many who would agree that every painting is a work of art and to me this expands to all media. Like I said there is good art and bad art but saying that something doesn't even qualify is disrespectful to the creators

If there are many, you should be able to name a few of the more prominent members of this "many", of course, or at least name which art theory you're basing this opinion of yours on. Really, that seems as shallow and ill-thought-out a statement as "all text is literature", and I'd love for you to explain how this post I've just wrote is literature.

It also runs into the problem of "if everything is art then nothing is art". You even seem to have recognized this yourself, what with your attempts to create a difference between "good" and "bad" art. How is that different than saying that some things are art and somethings aren't art? I await your explanation with bated breath.


And more on topic: Well, at least they didn't include random footage of an exploding van, so I guess FOX's standards might actually be improving (Fox News: Providing new lows at which to set the bar).

and now your getting a little frumpy. our concept of art is conflicting so i will just leave this alone because there is no greater waste of time than arguing over the internet. sorry to have gotten you so riled up just take a few breaths and let the passion subside. I am of the opinion that "everything is art" and only offer the good art/bad art concept to help out those who aren't ready to accept my theory that all things are art. You are one of these people and the people who agree with me aren't great scholars or people of historical note but colleagues and friends. But their opinions mean nothing to you so I guess I'm just some stupid person on the internet that you can feel vastly superior to intellectually. Congratulations you win 500 internetz!

Geez dude, sorry I hurt your feelings. Also, to the other dude, sorry I chased off your argument buddy with my frumpiness! It was a consequence I did not foresee.

Also to remain at least tangentially attached to the subject at hand: I look forward to seeing what video games will be considered art/promoting the public good by this agency in the future.

"To its credit, Fox News brought in editor-in-chief of Icrontic Brian Ambrozy, who actually knew what he was talking about. Fox pitted him against radio talk-show host Neal Asbury, whose intention was obviously to ignore the facts and spout rhetoric."

the first bolded comment pretty much objectively has no place in an article with any pretense to journalistic integrity, and the second isn't much better. I accept that fox news is dumb but it's sort of infantile to attack them in this way

Also, yes, Escapist articles can tend towards being more like editorials sometimes, but this site doesn't have a big ol' "fair and balanced" (a hilariously and suspiciously defensive statement if ever there was one) catch phrase slapped over it. Also, those two comments you highlighted are editorializing about the participants, not FOX News. Really, only the second comment is particularly problematic in that it can be difficult to determine someone's intention (it could easily be cleared up by a simple "who ignored facts and spouted rhetoric" rewrite); as for the first comment, it can be objectively determined as to whether someone actually knows a lot about a subject or not.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Fox News, you don't get to do this, okay?
You don't get to put an editor in chief against a radio talk show host.
You don't get to show images of a multimillion-dollar shooter next to a guy arguing for games.
You don't get to miss the point completely, and then broadcast it to millions of people as fact.
You just don't get to.

 

[GrungyMunchy]

I challenge the second to last sentence of this article. All games are art and ignorance of this only causes more confusion for people on the outside looking in.

You don't know much about art theory do you.

Actually im an art student, so yeah.....you need to expand your notion of what is art. if you just decide something doesn't count as art then your just as bad as those who don't respect the dada movement. Whether certain games serve as good art is another question

The artistic value of an object isn't definable by its medium. So not every painting is art, not every piece of music is art, not every movie is art and not every videogame is art. Therefore you can't say that all games are art, because they're not.

Says you. There are many who would agree that every painting is a work of art and to me this expands to all media. Like I said there is good art and bad art but saying that something doesn't even qualify is disrespectful to the creators

If you say anything can be art, then nothing is art. And we can agree that there are works of art. So your argument doesn't stand.

There's a reason why we don't just validate everything as art. It's because not everything can be art. For starters, if people create something not intended as art, that is, as a profound and meaningful creative expression*, then it can't be art. That alone disqualifies the vast majority of videogames as art.

* and don't take that definition lightly, saying that arguably everything is a meaningful creative expression, because it isn't.