Fox News Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art

[Kopikatsu]

i know you guys aren't going to get anything get in the way of your fervent hatred of Fox News but the article in the OP is also unbelievably biased

Yeah, how dare they make Fox look bad with the Escapists pathetic attachment to "facts" and "presenting everything in context".

"To its credit, Fox News brought in editor-in-chief of Icrontic Brian Ambrozy, who actually knew what he was talking about. Fox pitted him against radio talk-show host Neal Asbury, whose intention was obviously to ignore the facts and spout rhetoric."

the first bolded comment pretty much objectively has no place in an article with any pretense to journalistic integrity, and the second isn't much better. I accept that fox news is dumb but it's sort of infantile to attack them in this way

The 'news' articles given on this site are actually editorials, which is why they insert their opinion into all of the articles they write.

That being said, I don't normally agree with Tom Goldman, but after watching the video I do think he's right in this case.

 

[nothingspringstomind]

the only reason anyone's worried about what fox news says is that so many people believe them without doing their own research into the topic
all news is based in truth but you have to look at it from all angles

as my phiosophy teacher once said; "Always consider the source."

 

[cystemic]

I think the world just doesn't want to take the videogame industry seriously even though our supporters outnumber the non-gaming population. http://corpmedia.ign.com/corp/press_assets/AYG_booklet_final.pdf

 

[OldNewNewOld]

All those terrorists out there killing innocent people, jet non of them thought about going and blowing Fox in the air?

But yeah, I totally didn't see this coming. [CLAP, CLAP, CLAP]

 

[Realitycrash]

i know you guys aren't going to get anything get in the way of your fervent hatred of Fox News but the article in the OP is also unbelievably biased

How so, its not even making a point. Its just point out fox news in being idiotic. "You guys are biased too" is Fox's tagline defense and its BS.

The OP is biased, there's no question about it. It's hard NOT to be when you work for a gaming website. Question is whether it matters or not in this case.

 

[Emergent]

Did you watch the same video as me? The moderator of the debate correctly identified Neil Asbury as a radio talk show host, no one was identified as an "expert", so I'm curious as to why you put that word in quotations.

I'll take the bait. I put "expert" in quotes because he isn't one, as you pointed out.

You then defend the decision to put him on the air by stating that he was correctly identified as not being an expert on the subject at hand.

Frankly, if he isn't an authority on the topic how is his participating in the debate considered "news" or "journalism," which Fox is indeed implicitly claiming.

Or we could possibly consider it at face value: as propaganda. Any other interpretation leads us through complicated mental gymnastics that involve rationalizing why a talk radio show host ranting about things he has no knowledge of should be treated as newsworthy. I wouldn't bother trying, though, because in that formulation of Fox News practices, you also have to account for the presence of Glenn Beck...

...and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[paladork]

Fox News, America's number one source of "news" aka best real life trolls evar!

 

[Emergent]

Fox were clearly unrepentant to the first lie as halfway through the item they go and show Super Mario then SF4 on the 3DS, both of which are games that the funding clearly wouldn't be targeted at. Oh, and we could also observe how the critic got a fancy backdrop while the dev got a traditional school photo screen.

Those are some pretty petty reasons to accuse bias.

No, no they aren't petty at all. How you frame a debate has a substantial, measurable influence on the ability of either side to sway the audience. This is a fact. A fact that Fox News is aware of, and apparently you, as a fan, are not. That's exactly how they like it, by the way.

I'm telling you that I don't care about backdrops, and I don't think many people do.

You don't have to care about it. Your judgement only need be affected without your consciously being aware of it. I assure you, Fox News DOES care about backdrops, and volume levels, and the tagline they use to lead into the story, and the visuals they use to enhance the viewing experience. They care so much about them they pay people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to craft them very, very carefully.

I do agree with you that Tom fubbed this article, though. By including his immense bias so blatantly, he also gave up any claim of journalistic integrity.

 

[Xanthious]

Frankly, if he isn't an authority on the topic how is his participating in the debate considered "news" or "journalism," which Fox is indeed implicitly claiming.

Or we could possibly consider it at face value: as propaganda. Any other interpretation leads us through complicated mental gymnastics that involve rationalizing why a talk radio show host ranting about things he has no knowledge of should be treated as newsworthy. I wouldn't bother trying, though, because in that formulation of Fox News practices, you also have to account for the presence of Glenn Beck...

...and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Whether he was an expert, a dog catcher, or some crazy guy they found under a bridge talking to a dead fish he made multiple valid points. I would go so far as to say he made a far more solid argument than the blogger that they had on arguing for video games. This isn't to say FOX News didn't come off as biased and looking poorly because they did.

The U.S. is in a bad way right now because of wasteful government spending. The taxpayers shouldn't be the ones picking up the tab for the NEA and similar organizations. If people want to support the arts, whether they be painting, music or video games, then they are free to do so. However, to force people to pay for the NEA is just another example of wasteful spending by our government.

I also think that this perpetual game of "Gotcha!" that goes on by both sides is doing neither side any favors. FOX News is out to attack the gaming industry and gamers for every little thing and gaming journalists in turn are out to attack FOX News over every little thing. Maybe we should be the bigger people and stop blindly attacking the other side. Will that make them stop? Doubtful but at least we won't be stooping to their level. As it is now with this back and forth biased reporting we really aren't any better than they are.

 

[Katana314]

GUYS!

What do we do when someone comes and posts outrageous statements no one will agree with on this forum? Start a flame war against them about it?

I think you know what I'm calling Fox News now...

 

[BabyRaptor]

I thought everyone knew by now that Faux Noise isn't interested in the truth. This is the "news" channel that regularly makes up "facts" out of whole cloth and reports them for days on end, complaining all the while that all the other media is Liberally biased if they don't pick up the lie. Palm trees in Wisconsin, anyone? Obama's dog getting it's own airplane? Just to name a couple.

As to the whole "video games getting federal funding" crying...So do religious schools and churches.

 

[Bob_F_It]

Really? At the BBC, VTs are relevent, and everyone gets backdrops of a city or an office. Are you telling me that Fox News has less money to spend than a publicly funded organisation?

I'm telling you that I don't care about backdrops, and I don't think many people do.

Go watch Darren Brown; you'll realise that a lot of things you don't care about influence your perceptions and decisions.

 

[BabyRaptor]

I do agree with you that Tom fubbed this article, though. By including his immense bias so blatantly, he also gave up any claim of journalistic integrity.

No, not really. It's pretty much accepted fact that Faux Noise lies, distorts and generally does whatever it has to to display things/people they disagree with in a bad light. Acknowledging the truth does not bias make.

 

[Irradiated Tiger]

If FOX hates games, fine, that's their opinion. What I'm not ok with is the fact that their opinion is made of nothing but ill thought and assumption and they couldn't even be bothered to let the man with a different opinion say his point of view.

 

[thefunk686]

To be totally fair, while Fox was clearly very biased in the way they were covering this, Asbury did have something of a point in that video games really do not need federal funding when the federal funds could be going elsewhere. To ignore this point would confirm the rest of us as being just as ignorant as FOX, so just keep that in mind while you all rage about how ridiculous this is.

 

[Emergent]

Whether he was an expert, a dog catcher, or some crazy guy they found under a bridge talking to a dead fish he made multiple valid points. I would go so far as to say he made a far more solid argument than the blogger that they had on arguing for video games. This isn't to say FOX News didn't come off as biased and looking poorly because they did.

The U.S. is in a bad way right now because of wasteful government spending. The taxpayers shouldn't be the ones picking up the tab for the NEA and similar organizations. If people want to support the arts, whether they be painting, music or video games, then they are free to do so. However, to force people to pay for the NEA is just another example of wasteful spending by our government.

He did make valid points. The problem is that they had absolutely nothing to do with the debate. The decision being discussed was not a court decision granting more money for art, to be given to game developers. It was a court decision deciding that the money already legally alloted (and by a Republican-dominated congress, no less) could be given to game designers as well as other forms of artists. Complaining that too much money is spent on art in general has nothing to do with what percentage of that money is being spent on what kind of art.

If he made any more valid points than "we are in a recession, and shouldn't be spending public monies on art" (paraphrased, obviously) please reference them, I'm willing to tackle this with an open mind.

 

[xXDeMoNiCXx]

I find it funny that there are still people that find this attitude coming from Fox the LEAST bit surprising. This is the same crap they pull with every piece of news they report on. The whole network is a shameless, untrustworthy joke.

 

[AngloDoom]

Meh. Let them.

At this point in time, the people who believe Fox News are not going to stop. They are as ignorant in the face of facts as that channel. Let them sit there and complain whenever anyone rocks the boat while we all grow up to be awesome.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Its Fox News.
You can't be disappointed about their ignorance and stupidity.