Fox News Attacks NEA for Classifying Games as Art

[CosmicCommander]

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The problem is this; the Government takes this money from taxes, which are taken from the people. This effectively means that everyone has to fund art.

As a minarchist, I believe in Government only funding the essential services; the army, courts, and police. For it to fund things that are not essential to the continuation of law and order is unnecessary, in my eyes.

I'm fantastic with people being able to make things like the examples like you stated, however, I wouldn't want to be forced to fund them. I'd rather use the money for myself.

 

[Sharalon]

That was actually not all that bad... The guy supporting video games made a lot of great points while that other fellow just felt like a conservative idiot.

Even though it was a little too obvious which side fox was on when the kept showing the pictures from call of duty...

 

[MeTheMe]

Funny they don't have a direct link to video on Fox's website, I'm sure there's a lot of us here that would LOVE to put in our two cents to them directly. Fox News is just so... hostile, there's not a debate here. There's an antagonistic prick and a man trying to defend himself calmly. To consider what Fox produces as 'news' is absurd. You know what? I can understand if there were actually a debate about this, if the opposing side actually tried to debate instead of spouting mindless lunatic babble. This is just Fox News once again proving that 'Fair and Balanced' is a thing they are truly incapable of.

As for video games being funded, it is an interesting idea. Educational games in particular can have a wonderful effect on the learning system. I could understand the worry for it being used irrisponsibly, or even the possible risk of doing it and it not working, but I think it's worth a shot, at least.

 

[MazdaXR]

As far as I can see games are the amalgamation of all the arts so I don't understand the problem, they combine Music, Acting, Art (as in drawing painting) and writing. that mixed with ability to interact just makes it that much better.

Learning doesn't always have to be 1+1=2 style of learning, it can be teaching right and wrong, acceptance and diversity.
People could use video games the way people use Aesop's fables.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

All I really have to say is that Fox News debates a topic in about the same sense that Jack Thompson commands respect.

 

[AdamRBi]

That video... was that Asbury reading from a script or something?

So I didn't have it in me to Rapture myself and it's too wet and cold out to bother taking a bus into the city, so my annoyance with that video will have to come out here.

I think my favorite part was when Fox News said that all games are Call of Duty and developing games is akin to playing Ping Pong.

A stronger point could of been made supporting games being funded, such as comparing the games that were to be made as entertaining, interactive documentaries, as interactive poetry that comments on the pressing subjects like any popular indie film, or as the future of education in a world that's depressingly suffering a lack of.

Ambrozy did make the great argument that funding CoD is like funding a Blockbuster Movie, but between his ums and ahs I think the point was made clear but not firmly enough compared to his opponent whom has much more experience producing firm, though misguided, talking points.

Mentioning a game like Call of Duty, by the way, just goes to how how little these "reporters" know of this industry. Sure, the latest in the series was Modern Warfare 2 back in 2009, but the series itself is so dated they might as well be showing off Super Mario Bros... oh wait, they did. What was the point of that? Are their views so out of touch that they've only video game's they've ever heard of are the controversial ones and Mario? (Sadly the answer to that question may be yes.)

Funding a game like CoD would be like funding a movie like Trasformers 2, they're still art but at best they're commercial art. The grants would only be for Educational and Inspirational Art, games that AAA studios would never risk putting out because they don't have the broad appeal AAA titles have.

I really hope for the day Fox News goes down, 99% sure this nation wouldn't be on the brink of civil war if it wasn't for them.

The intent of the segment seems as if it was meant to take a dig at the current leaders of the U.S. government using factually incorrect information and an over-animated critic, rather than a look at what's actually occurring in reality.

This is my problem with Fox. They did the exact same thing with artist Common in regards to his being a guest at the Whitehouse. Fox doesn't produce news, it produces means. As in means to an end. That end being to push some silly agenda which, at this point, seems to be criticizing the current administration. It's 100% shameful. The rhetoric has no respect for truth of any kind whatsoever, and I think the worst part is that a ton of people eat this kind of argumentation up and then actually digest it rather than it making them sick (as it does me). This kind of argument relies on people's belief, faith, trust in the system/person which is spewing the lies (or half-truths at best); it relies on those people to not look into the issue further; it relies on 1 part apathy mixed with 2 parts not thinking... but all is not bad and all is not over.

There's still a chance to actually come back into this whole thing, life that is, with people who are willing to think and actually enjoy it... I just hope that day comes sooner than any judgment day may.

I too wish there was a chance to return to real news and intelligent conversation, but to do that we'd have to regulate the shitaki out of news outlets, turning it into a Government run system like I think they do in Great Britain.

That wouldn't be met without opposition, people shouting socialism like they know what it means and claiming that Free Speech is being impeded on while on the other end it's being abused to pass Opinions off as Facts.

Maybe step one is to do away with ratings.

 

[JDKJ]

Why do video games need government money at all?

Because many devs are too lazy to make up the funds themselves, and so push it on everyone else to fork out on their behalf.

I don't think that's the case. Bear in mind that the NEA will only grant funding to "artsy" or "public good" video game projects which are not-for-profit. If you can't profit from your project, then you'll have difficulty funding that sort of venture (you're unlikely to obtain venture capital because there's no for-profit venture involved and therefore no return for investors). That's the main reason for NEA funding.

 

[felixader]

Dear other countries in the world, if you get made and decide to attack and invade the United States, please strike Fox News HQ first, then I promise we will try to work out a compromise afterwards...

Perhabs we can work something out that we attack you ONLY for the FOX targets. X-P

 

[JDKJ]

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The problem is this; the Government takes this money from taxes, which are taken from the people. This effectively means that everyone has to fund art.

As a minarchist, I believe in Government only funding the essential services; the army, courts, and police. For it to fund things that are not essential to the continuation of law and order is unnecessary, in my eyes.

I'm fantastic with people being able to make things like the examples like you stated, however, I wouldn't want to be forced to fund them. I'd rather use the money for myself.

Public transportation? Public education? Public health? Garbage collection? Those are essential services that have nothing to do with "law and order."

 

[bombadilillo]

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The problem is this; the Government takes this money from taxes, which are taken from the people. This effectively means that everyone has to fund art.

As a minarchist, I believe in Government only funding the essential services; the army, courts, and police. For it to fund things that are not essential to the continuation of law and order is unnecessary, in my eyes.

I'm fantastic with people being able to make things like the examples like you stated, however, I wouldn't want to be forced to fund them. I'd rather use the money for myself.

Fair point and like I said. If you are against all art funding then Tops on you. I see right where you are coming from. I disagree but I totally understand your reasoning.

If we are to assume they are going to fund art, then do you think video games could/should be considered in that medium?

 

[smut]

Faux News - We decide, you abide.

 

[Buizel91]

Anyone fancy helping me blow up the Fox News building?

*Grabs Shotgun and C4 charges*

(For people with no sense of humour, this was a joke -.-)

aww.. i had my grenades ready and everything

Yes well 2 people ruined the joke by taking it WAAAAAAY to seriously saying "this won;t help our case etc"

I mean Christ i live in England, i can;t exactly do much :|

 

[Jonluw]

I'm sorry, how are these people still being taken seriously?
They sure do their best to prove the stereotypes of Americans right, don't they?

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Fine. If that's your question, then ask it as such. And try not to sound as if you're implying that the UK doesn't have it's fair share of idiots and the Americans have a monopoly on the market. Which may be the answer to your question: because America if full of fucking idiots -- as is the entire world.

Yeah, sorry. Re-reading my initial post it did kinda come across like that, which wasn't the way it was intended. I've stuck an EDIT on it so hopefully I won't piss any more people off.

 

[The Lugz]

Anyone fancy helping me blow up the Fox News building?

*Grabs Shotgun and C4 charges*

(For people with no sense of humour, this was a joke -.-)

aww.. i had my grenades ready and everything

Yes well 2 people ruined the joke by taking it WAAAAAAY to seriously saying "this won;t help our case etc"

I mean Christ i live in England, i can;t exactly do much :|

Neither can fox, but they still try and fail

 

[hitheremynameisbob]

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The problem is this; the Government takes this money from taxes, which are taken from the people. This effectively means that everyone has to fund art.

As a minarchist, I believe in Government only funding the essential services; the army, courts, and police. For it to fund things that are not essential to the continuation of law and order is unnecessary, in my eyes.

I'm fantastic with people being able to make things like the examples like you stated, however, I wouldn't want to be forced to fund them. I'd rather use the money for myself.

The problem with this sort of view is that very few, if any, of the government's services are really "necessary" in a strict sense. As JDKJ points out, things like public education and trash collection are just as necessary for any functioning society as having an army and police force. Take trash collection as an example: if you didn't have a government-regulated system dealing with the matter, would everyone bother to do it? What would stop people from just dumping their **** in the street? I mean, life would go on, but preventing that is something I think the vast majority of us agree is of value to everyone. As is public education, and as is having a police force. What, you think we couldn't manage without police? We could, it'd just be a much more chaotic place. We, as a democratic society, determine what qualifies as the public good, and then determine what to fund to pursue that. What you're differentiating between are not two fundamentally different things, just two things on either side of a personal line that you've drawn that delineates what you think is working toward the public good and what isn't. It's up to each individual what they think qualifies as worth funding and what isn't, but if the majority thinks encouraging the development of art and culture is worthwhile, just as they think having a police force is worthwhile, then that's all there is to it. It may be lower on their list of priorities, but that doesn't make it fundamentally different. So there's no such thing as an "essential service." There's just things we, as a public, have decided have value, and things we've decided do not. Or, at least, things that the politicians we elect have decided have value, but that's a whole different conversation.

 

[hamster mk 4]

I will not watch fox news, or click on a link to their website. They have long ago stopped being a relaible or relivant source of news.

 

[Ddgafd]

I like how they immediately say that video games = Call of Duty. And that fucking goblin Nail Assburger or whatever doesn't know shit about anything, especially video games and he should be the absolute last person to include in a debate about them.

 

[DaMan1500]

This got me really angry, until I actually watched the debate and saw that, though the title and visual aids were misleading, the rest seemed fairly unbiased (at least compared to what the article made it out to be). Both sides got an equal amount of talking time and no one was yelling over each other. You know, I realize that Fox News does have a tendencey to badmouth videogames and the people who play them, but getting all butthurt over something you haven't completely researched doesn't really make us look any better than the people who think that videogames are for aggressive manchildren.

 

[Canid117]

Is there ANYTHING Fox News likes?

The GOP and the teaparty.