Foxconn Reportedly Making PS4s With Forced Student Labor

[Something Amyss]

Of course it's alright if Sony uses forced student labor to make their consoles. I bet if Microsoft did this, they'd be crucified.

Microsoft does do this.

This isn't a new story; Foxconn's been doing this for at least a couple of years. Microsoft is one of the big companies, and the Xbox 360 has been named specifically before. The article even mentions they produce ten percent of the Xbones. Where's the crucifixion?

Look, I'm not saying this is an okay practice. Part of what makes it so hard to fight is at this point is is borderline universal. But that's the thing. The responses are underwhelming because it's such a common practice. Foxconn is bloody megalithic. They're the sort of stuff you see cropping up in sci-fi dystopias.

I'm somewhere between baffled and amused when stories like this (often originating from India, where you can be sued for selling a haunted house) pop up to seemingly perplex people, yet they accept prayer circles for sick people, or conservative politicians raving about the 'devil's influence' without batting an eye.

Just to point out, in many (possibly most) states in the US, it's illegal to not inform someone that a house is haunted. So yeah, we really shouldn't feel superior to Indians or Chinese people who hire exorcists.

But hey, the poster you're quoting is British. Maybe they really are that much more sophisticated. Though I doubt it.

As much as this sucks,I think most of the blame can fall on China on this one. While we are partly responsible for supporting these practices by buying their products, ultimately its China's policies that allow for this to happen. Hell, even in America we have a similar but less horrible situation where people intern at places for long hours without getting paid doing menial work. The only difference is that we can quit any time without it having a huge impact on our educational goals. I would say boycott Foxconn products, but then you'd have to just abandon all forms of electronics. Its another one of those things all we can do is shake our heads at.

We must be doing something different, as our suicide rates are much lower.

Also, I think we can take more than just a little bit of the blame if we're cultivating a niche for Chinese labour.

Its Foxconn. they have been doing this and were called on this at least 3 times in the past. its really nothing new about FoxConn, whats interesting is why some companeis risk a PR disaster by using them.

The "everybody's doing it" argument seems to work. Not to mention it really hasn't hurt companies exposed in the past. We still have self-entitled, self-righteous hippies complaining about it, then they go back to playing Fruit ninja on their iPads.

Jesus tap-dancing christ, i thought that horrible factory was shutdown already.

One factory was briefly halted, IIRC, but you have to keep in mind this is not just a single factory. It isn't even isolated to one country. They have plants in most of Asia (including India) and even in South America.

Which does lead to the question: how do you battle that?

I can't always source goods ethically. But now I know that they're using FOXCONN, I can't ignore it. I am not buying a next-gen console produced by wage-slavery. Will go second-hand.

You're going to have to do more than just ditch consoles, then.

 

[MammothBlade]

You're going to have to do more than just ditch consoles, then.

I know, it's not practical to live a comfortable life whilst refusing to buy anything made from slave labour. But, consoles are a purely luxury good and one can do without them. So, it wouldn't hurt to avoid purchasing one brand-new on ethical grounds.

 

[Yan007]

Living in China at the moment, been working here for three years. This news is FAR from surprising. Please allow me,if you may, to add to it with some context:

- The primary reason why students go to Foxconn is because their school's principal is making money. The school leader has a deal with Foxconn: I provide you with free labor and you give me a few thousand rmbs per month. Using people this way, especially students, is NOT rare at all here and is almost expected. My employer is sometimes doing this to my Chinese coworkers and tried to do it to me a couple times, but in the end I can leave with no repercussion while they can't.

- The reason why the students there are complaining are not so much the long hours, but that the work is absolutely UNRELATED to their field of study. Imagine being an engineer and having to insert instruction manuals in plastic sleeves 11 hours a day or more with a 30 minutes break a day and having to do that for months. You may argue that this experience will be valuable to you in some way for future jobs and look alright on a resume, but trust me when I say that it does not. It won't even open you a door for a better position at Foxconn later in your career: you'll be replaced by the next batch of free labor.

- Why don't they leave? For sure, some must have left. Keep in mind though that the school leader would be losing face and money each time a student leaves so he has to punish them. To do so, they withhold their diplomas indefinitely and refuse to allow the students to graduate. Change university? This is China: you can't. If you were in position to change university to begin with, your parents would have bribed the school leader already so you don't have to work at the factory. There is also always the very real possibility that the school leader has friends in the police dept or knows thugs and they can come to your place to kick your ass and claim YOU assaulted THEM. China is a unfair country and every relationship here is a double-edge sword hanging over your head and nothing is ever safe or secure. The though of going against a single school leader is enough to make most students shit their pants at night.

- Another reason why they don't leave is that from early childhood they are told their reason for living is to make money, especially for their parents. Your value as a person is proportionally related to how much wealth you have or can project to have. This also extends to the rights you will have in society. Retirement plans here are a joke so parents depend on their children for income later in life. Imagine telling your parents that you failed to accomplish your only goal in life - getting a degree to secure money for them when they get old - because you felt abused by your working conditions at Foxconn. After three years here I learned that the most valuable thing to 99.9999% of the Chinese population is money - above ALL else. This is true for the school leader, the Foxconn manager, but also for the students' parents who probabaly told them to stfu already and get back to work, grab that degree and earn money asap!


EDIT: I also want to clarify the article: Students are not LURED with the promise of credits. THEY ARE TOLD TO GO ELSE THEY DON'T GET THEIR CREDITS ANYWAY.

 

[Strazdas]

Its Foxconn. they have been doing this and were called on this at least 3 times in the past. its really nothing new about FoxConn, whats interesting is why some companeis risk a PR disaster by using them.

The "everybody's doing it" argument seems to work. Not to mention it really hasn't hurt companies exposed in the past. We still have self-entitled, self-righteous hippies complaining about it, then they go back to playing Fruit ninja on their iPads.

Yeah, i guess im overestimating actual PR impact this has. after all pepoepl tend ot think that its china, far away, so doesnt matter.

So, how do I know what electronics are manufactured at foxconn then?

YOu would have to avoid electronic equipment made by,
Acer, Dell, Motorola, Toshiba, Nintendo, Google, Vizio, Apple, HP, Nokia, Cisco, Microsoft, Sony, Amazon.

building a computer would not be that hard but I think you would be hard pressed to find a phone

Well i already avoid motorola, nintendo, apple, hp, nokia and where i can microsoft. amazon is non-existant here and vizio is a brand of glasses (i guess thats wrong). To be honest i cna always go back to my still fully functional siemens phone if it comes to that, but currently i dio use a huawei, which i guess falls under google. as for the rest of electronics its siemens, electrlux and LG here, so ive been doing fine avoiding them.
also you can always go for a samsung phone, its not as good granted but its not slave labour. Or HTCs, or are they also manufactured there?

 

[Lightknight]

The article for this thread sounds like just an internship that people sign up for. It's funny that the XBO is a small side comment at the bottom. "Oh, by the way, XBO's are also partly manufactured here too but we just put ps4 in the title because..."

"Update 10/10: I?ve removed a reference to the students not being paid, as it?s not entirely clear how they are compensated. I?ve also added some information about Foxconn offering per-student kickbacks to schools in previous cases like this."

Hmm, they can't even say that they aren't paid.

As its Foxconn I would guess the students get room and board at least, Foxconn factories have on site accommodation and kitchens for staff. Its only barracks and mess halls though, similar to something you see in the military.

Ah, wow. I'd have liked that opportunity in college.

 

[Lightknight]

Of course it's alright if Sony uses forced student labor to make their consoles. I bet if Microsoft did this, they'd be crucified.

Microsoft does do this.

This isn't a new story; Foxconn's been doing this for at least a couple of years. Microsoft is one of the big companies, and the Xbox 360 has been named specifically before. The article even mentions they produce ten percent of the Xbones. Where's the crucifixion?

Look, I'm not saying this is an okay practice. Part of what makes it so hard to fight is at this point is is borderline universal. But that's the thing. The responses are underwhelming because it's such a common practice. Foxconn is bloody megalithic. They're the sort of stuff you see cropping up in sci-fi dystopias.

Not only does Microsoft do this, but 10% of the XBO is being made IN THE SAME FACTORY.

For some reason, the original article just said PS4. Not sure why it didn't mention both.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Sigh, well... we all pay a heavy price for our entertainment. Just think the next time you praise Sony for it being "better" than Microsoft, their hands are just as dirty in how they manufacture things.
And the "everybody does it" attitude doesn't make it right, just means that no company deserves to get a free pass, and no company is better than the other.
Deplorable conditions, deplorable practices, but hey we get cheaper consoles because of it, right?

 

[michael87cn]

Why the fuck are we paying hundreds of dollars for these things, which amount to basically tons of plastic and soldering, when the workers aren't even paid to assemble them? What the fuck?

This is bullshit. I'm not mad about the price, but about all the technology staring at me in the face on my desk right now.

Feel sick.

Also, reading comments like "I could care less where my stuff comes from" makes me just as fucking sick. You SHOULD care, you SHOULD be upset. You fucking would be if you were born in that country/doing work for free. But you aren't. You get to sit in your fucking luxury car holding down a pedal with your foot while it propels you at in-human speeds down a conveniently carved out road for you to your job every day, and you get over paid for goofing off. FUCK!

What a bunch of bullshit. We have it so damn easy and none of us appreciate it. I earn minimum wage and have to bike it to my job, dodging idiot drivers and I thought I had it rough, at least I'm paid to do my job.

 

[Yan007]

Well said Michael. A lot of people don't know how easy they got it. I got it easy in China (relatively speaking) and even then it is difficult compared to my life in Canada.

 

[Something Amyss]

I know, it's not practical to live a comfortable life whilst refusing to buy anything made from slave labour. But, consoles are a purely luxury good and one can do without them. So, it wouldn't hurt to avoid purchasing one brand-new on ethical grounds.

The thing is, so are most of your other luxuries. Have a TV? Monitor? Computer? Smartphone?

Yeah, i guess im overestimating actual PR impact this has. after all pepoepl tend ot think that its china, far away, so doesnt matter.

It might matter if one could successfully ween one's self from their tech. But unless one plans on going Amish, one will probably buy some Foxconn supported materials.

also you can always go for a samsung phone, its not as good granted but its not slave labour. Or HTCs, or are they also manufactured there?

Samsung's been under fire for labour practices in China too, and mentioned in the same breath as Foxconn. I wouldn't count on them to keep your conscience clean.

Financial reports from 2012 list HTC as a Foxconn client, too.

 

[Lightknight]

Sigh, well... we all pay a heavy price for our entertainment. Just think the next time you praise Sony for it being "better" than Microsoft, their hands are just as dirty in how they manufacture things.
And the "everybody does it" attitude doesn't make it right, just means that no company deserves to get a free pass, and no company is better than the other.
Deplorable conditions, deplorable practices, but hey we get cheaper consoles because of it, right?

Are these known to be bad working conditions? I didn't see anything regarding that.

If you really want to be a considerate employee who doesn't purchase anything that has touched questionable hiring practices, you will have to find yourself doing without. Most electronics have components made with actual slave labor. Today, in the year 2013, you likely have a phone in your pocket with some components or materials acquired via a person who is a bona fide slave. The computer you're using to enter or read this post? Also likely has at least some components made that way.

Do you like Chocolate? How about hersey brand chocolate? Child Slavery [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/hershey-child-labor_n_2060702.html] (though they promise to end child slavery in their product line by 2020... assholes)

Like Victoria's Secret? Their "fair trade" cotton is planted and harvested by children slaves in Africa. [http://www.businesspundit.com/5-giant-companies-who-use-slave-labor/?img=42010]

That same link shows Microsoft as a huge user of Chinese factories that actually employ slave and child labor. The company Microsoft uses most is KYE which has over 1,000 workers with many 15 years and younger "employees". They work 15 hours per day , no AC. Nokia and Apple both use these kinds of factories as well and those are just the big names that have "admitted" to it.

Forever 21, Aeropostale, Toys ?R? Us, Urban Outfitters (also listed in the Victoria Secret link) also use child slavery. Does anyone else think it ridiculous that Toys 'R' Us has child slaves making clothes for children in our country?

Odds are that you have several items on or closely around you that were made partially at the expense of actual slaves.

This work study crap at Foxconn isn't all rosey. But it isn't slavery, does give them room and board while at college, may actually pay them but that's unclear, and lets them leave at will. It is a known and publicized component of the college and it looks like the biggest complaint is that the work may not be related to their degree at all. I have known American colleges that have required unpaid internships as part of the coursework and those still exist. So it's easy to complain about this example but it's not slavery or "forced" labor. They can leave at any time and were aware of this condition for graduating. It's like saying that I was "forced" to complete two semesters of a foreign language and that's evil because I couldn't not do it and still graduate. Despite it not being particularly relevant to my area of study.

 

[Strazdas]

The thing is, so are most of your other luxuries. Have a TV? Monitor? Computer? Smartphone?

Yeah, i guess im overestimating actual PR impact this has. after all pepoepl tend ot think that its china, far away, so doesnt matter.

It might matter if one could successfully ween one's self from their tech. But unless one plans on going Amish, one will probably buy some Foxconn supported materials.

also you can always go for a samsung phone, its not as good granted but its not slave labour. Or HTCs, or are they also manufactured there?

Samsung's been under fire for labour practices in China too, and mentioned in the same breath as Foxconn. I wouldn't count on them to keep your conscience clean.

Financial reports from 2012 list HTC as a Foxconn client, too.

Sigh. I guess there was a subconciuos reason i bought a LG phone then. It isnt smartphone. but my mom thne bought huawei smartphone, didnt knew how to use it, so we switched. which i guess still supports foxconn, so guilty as charged.
I dont have a TV. well i do. its over 15 years old, has spent the last 6 years of its life in a basement and wasnt turned on since it moved there.
Monitor? Old LG FLatron and a built in laptop one i dont know who manufactured.
Computer? Guilty as charged here, i bought HP, never again im buying anything HP, all thier products seem to be cut corners at users expense.
You CAN get by without slave labour, but its going to be more expensive. there still are factories making electronics in all over europe, even genrmany, of course it will cost you double, but quality will be there as well, and its no slave labour (even if its drunk romanians, they come there willingly).

Do you like Chocolate? How about hersey brand chocolate? Child Slavery [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/02/hershey-child-labor_n_2060702.html] (though they promise to end child slavery in their product line by 2020... assholes)

Like Victoria's Secret? Their "fair trade" cotton is planted and harvested by children slaves in Africa. [http://www.businesspundit.com/5-giant-companies-who-use-slave-labor/?img=42010]

That same link shows Microsoft as a huge user of Chinese factories that actually employ slave and child labor. The company Microsoft uses most is KYE which has over 1,000 workers with many 15 years and younger "employees". They work 15 hours per day , no AC. Nokia and Apple both use these kinds of factories as well and those are just the big names that have "admitted" to it.

Forever 21, Aeropostale, Toys ?R? Us, Urban Outfitters (also listed in the Victoria Secret link) also use child slavery. Does anyone else think it ridiculous that Toys 'R' Us has child slaves making clothes for children in our country?

Odds are that you have several items on or closely around you that were made partially at the expense of actual slaves.

This work study crap at Foxconn isn't all rosey. But it isn't slavery, does give them room and board while at college, may actually pay them but that's unclear, and lets them leave at will. It is a known and publicized component of the college and it looks like the biggest complaint is that the work may not be related to their degree at all. I have known American colleges that have required unpaid internships as part of the coursework and those still exist. So it's easy to complain about this example but it's not slavery or "forced" labor. They can leave at any time and were aware of this condition for graduating. It's like saying that I was "forced" to complete two semesters of a foreign language and that's evil because I couldn't not do it and still graduate. Despite it not being particularly relevant to my area of study.

Hersey chocolate? at first i thought you mistyped, i never even heard about such a thing. Then again as far as sweets are concerned i buy most of them made in company called "Ruta", since they are the only ones in my country using actual chocolate and not fake one and have very tasty, albeit more expensive, sweets. no slave labour either, even if the workers do get paid rather small, then again so does our whole country.

is victorias secret still a thing? i was under the impression only rich vanity driven girls with too much money and no brains even bothered with it anymore.
Nokia and Apple are probably the onles ones that manage to use slave labour and still raise the prices 10 times the products worth though. you have to give respect wher respect is due, they managed to herd whole world into their hypnosis.

Your wrong about them being able to leave though. read up above as a poster there have actually explained it more clearly than i would manage. they "can" leave just like they "can" suicide. sure they "Can" but its not very rewarding now is it?

 

[Something Amyss]

You CAN get by without slave labour, but its going to be more expensive. there still are factories making electronics in all over europe, even genrmany, of course it will cost you double, but quality will be there as well, and its no slave labour (even if its drunk romanians, they come there willingly).

The problem is, a lot of companies use parts from Foxconn plants, so you don't necessarily know what's actually clean. You might have parts on your computer right now manufactured by Foxconn even if the whole or even the discrete components are not.

 

[Lightknight]

Hersey chocolate? at first i thought you mistyped, i never even heard about such a thing. Then again as far as sweets are concerned i buy most of them made in company called "Ruta", since they are the only ones in my country using actual chocolate and not fake one and have very tasty, albeit more expensive, sweets. no slave labour either, even if the workers do get paid rather small, then again so does our whole country.

Most cocoa is harvested in Africa by slave labor. If Ruta doesn't have their own cocoa farm then you've got to ask where they get it from. From a quick search online, it looks like Ruta (if it is Ruta Del Cacao) does have their own cocoa plantations. I don't know if that's the same company or if it's even their main Cocoa source. As of 2002 there was over 109,000 child slaves in cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast ALONE. 200,000 by 2005. This region produces 35% of the entire worlds cocoa by itself. While West Africa in general produces almost 70%. They think it's as many as 1.8 million child laborers there in the cocoa farms. I mean, at what point...?

It's literally so pervasive that it has it's own wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_cocoa_production

is victorias secret still a thing? i was under the impression only rich vanity driven girls with too much money and no brains even bothered with it anymore.

It wasn't just Victoria Secret. It's cotton production in a lot of clothes goods like Forever 21, Aeropostale, Toys 'R' Us, Urban Outfitters.

It's likely in several other brands too.

Nokia and Apple are probably the onles ones that manage to use slave labour and still raise the prices 10 times the products worth though. you have to give respect wher respect is due, they managed to herd whole world into their hypnosis.

Apple artificially increases their prices as they are clearly targeting the product differentiation based on quality rather than low cost. Nokia was slowly getting edged out of the market by everyone else, it's a tough market with Samsung and Apple muscling them out.

Your wrong about them being able to leave though. read up above as a poster there have actually explained it more clearly than i would manage. they "can" leave just like they "can" suicide. sure they "Can" but its not very rewarding now is it?

No, they can leave but they won't have the required credits to graduate (assuming they can't just take a few more classes after that, which isn't specified in the article, maybe they can?). They joined the college knowing this was a required work study project as the original article stated. The requirement of a college specified work study project is common in the US as well. Often unpaid internships where they truly don't get anything in return and yet "have" to do it if they want that degree.

It's like saying that I was forced to take two semesters of Spanish because my college required it in the College of Business. I have no pity for individuals who get to the end of the semester they thought was their last and suddenly realise that they can't get their diploma without those two foreign language semesters and so have to keep going for another 6 months. As the article says, it mentions the work study prominently. I'd say the only thing bad about it is that the work study isn't a better program that suits their area of study. It is a job in the workforce so it gives them some work experience but really, what does an accountant need to know about gluing stuff?

 

[Lightknight]

You CAN get by without slave labour, but its going to be more expensive. there still are factories making electronics in all over europe, even genrmany, of course it will cost you double, but quality will be there as well, and its no slave labour (even if its drunk romanians, they come there willingly).

The problem is, a lot of companies use parts from Foxconn plants, so you don't necessarily know what's actually clean. You might have parts on your computer right now manufactured by Foxconn even if the whole or even the discrete components are not.

This isn't slave labor. Let's be sure to clarify it going forward. It also isn't forced (they can leave the program at any time and will just be down 6 credits).

That's unless we consider unpaid internships in America to all be slave labor too. Then sure, according to that revision of the definition this would be too. Except they are getting compensation while in college.

 

[Strazdas]

You CAN get by without slave labour, but its going to be more expensive. there still are factories making electronics in all over europe, even genrmany, of course it will cost you double, but quality will be there as well, and its no slave labour (even if its drunk romanians, they come there willingly).

The problem is, a lot of companies use parts from Foxconn plants, so you don't necessarily know what's actually clean. You might have parts on your computer right now manufactured by Foxconn even if the whole or even the discrete components are not.

Yeah, that is indeed a problem. ANd it is a hard one to come around. thats why we need other ways to stop foxconn than just not buying.

Hersey chocolate? at first i thought you mistyped, i never even heard about such a thing. Then again as far as sweets are concerned i buy most of them made in company called "Ruta", since they are the only ones in my country using actual chocolate and not fake one and have very tasty, albeit more expensive, sweets. no slave labour either, even if the workers do get paid rather small, then again so does our whole country.

Most cocoa is harvested in Africa by slave labor. If Ruta doesn't have their own cocoa farm then you've got to ask where they get it from. From a quick search online, it looks like Ruta (if it is Ruta Del Cacao) does have their own cocoa plantations. I don't know if that's the same company or if it's even their main Cocoa source. As of 2002 there was over 109,000 child slaves in cocoa farms in the Ivory Coast ALONE. 200,000 by 2005. This region produces 35% of the entire worlds cocoa by itself. While West Africa in general produces almost 70%. They think it's as many as 1.8 million child laborers there in the cocoa farms. I mean, at what point...?

It's literally so pervasive that it has it's own wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_cocoa_production

Its been a while since i talked with them about this but i believe they get their cocoa from somewhere more across the ocean. cant say im certain now though they did not mention africa at all. The Ruta you found appears to be a different one. Its unlikely youd find much as while it is exporting its still rather local in comparison to the big boys. And its growth is slow because it tries to bring quality without cutting corners, leaving them with more expensive product harder to sell. They are no angels (though the original owner back in 19th century was pretty darn cool guy from what is told) but they are the good guys when it comes to these things.

It wasn't just Victoria Secret. It's cotton production in a lot of clothes goods like Forever 21, Aeropostale, Toys 'R' Us, Urban Outfitters.

It's likely in several other brands too.

Granted, i may be an ignorant eastenr european, but theo nyl brand i recognize here is Toys R Us, and that only because it apperently sells videogames in US i think or something. well escapist wrote couple articles about it.

No, they can leave but they won't have the required credits to graduate (assuming they can't just take a few more classes after that, which isn't specified in the article, maybe they can?).

Well if you actually took meo n my advice and read up the thread, you would know that no, they cant.

They joined the college knowing this was a required work study project as the original article stated. The requirement of a college specified work study project is common in the US as well. Often unpaid internships where they truly don't get anything in return and yet "have" to do it if they want that degree.

Well i did not call them salve labour to begin with and yes your comparison to unpaid internship would be comparible if such internship would cause you to do manufacturing labour for 15 hours (which isnt legal even in china, they limited it to 14 hours few years ago). But you imply that such unpaid internship is not abuse of students here in the west. it is.

 

[deadish]

Wow. Sensationalism at it's finest.

Put a big name in the headline. "PS4". Checked.
Exaggerate. "Forced Student Labor" ... when it's a bunch of voluntary interns. Checked.

A more accurate headline would be:

"Foxconn ... cons university students into working as assembly line workers."

Of course, that won't bring in the eyeballs.

Journalistic integrity? What is that?

 

[Lightknight]

No, they can leave but they won't have the required credits to graduate (assuming they can't just take a few more classes after that, which isn't specified in the article, maybe they can?).

Well if you actually took meo n my advice and read up the thread, you would know that no, they cant.[/quote] The poster is not claiming any special knowledge aside from currently residing in China. They also explain that people have left but it doesn't sound like the person knows. Not sure why I'd take the information of an unknown over the original article.

Well i did not call them salve labour to begin with and yes your comparison to unpaid internship would be comparible if such internship would cause you to do manufacturing labour for 15 hours (which isnt legal even in china, they limited it to 14 hours few years ago). But you imply that such unpaid internship is not abuse of students here in the west. it is.

It doesn't say they work for 15 hours a day. Merely that their work load is the same as the other standard workers.

Honestly, we have no information about anything other than a college being sneaky with requiring work programs that the article admits they advertise. Nothing to do with Sony or even Microsoft.

 

[Lightknight]

Wow. Sensationalism at it's finest.

Put a big name in the headline. "PS4". Checked.
Exaggerate. "Forced Student Labor" ... when it's a bunch of voluntary interns. Checked.

A more accurate headline would be:

"Foxconn ... cons university students into working as assembly line workers."

Of course, that won't bring in the eyeballs.

Journalistic integrity? What is that?

It even oddly singles out ps4 even though Microsoft also uses this facility.

We really need some more information as the original article doesn't even know if it compensates the students and had to update the article to remove that comment. This could even be a paid internship.

 

[Vareoth]

Modern slavery and how it is tolerated in the 1st world is such a fascinating research subject. All anyone ever cares about is their own indulgence. Greed is such a powerful tool. Too bad there's not much I can do about it.

Just yet.