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Trump winning doesn't disprove anything about him being a coup doing rapist though. All it does is prove certain things about the American electorate.
Trump was not convicted of being either.

The fact that anyone would vote for either Harris or Trump says a lot about the American electorate.
 

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Trump winning doesn't disprove anything about him being a coup doing rapist though. All it does is prove certain things about the American electorate.
I would hope, by this logic, you could interact with the American electorate, particularly the rural spaces that vote more red, and reconsider how you resolve this contradiction.
Also the Trump example would still be an example of messaging being the Democrat's weakness. If they really convinced the world that a completely ''normal'' president is a coup doing rapist, then their messaging must be really weak if the world still picked someone the Democrats uh...''tricked'' them into thinking was a coup doing rapist. Again that's a lack of PR power.
No, they just suck that much. PR can only overcome so much reality, and their reality is sucking.
 

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Trump winning doesn't disprove anything about him being a coup doing rapist though. All it does is prove certain things about the American electorate.

But more importantly one can dismiss anything said by anyone with that line of thought. In another topic you went full in on the existence of god. But doesn't the world getting more secular yet you still believe in their teachers just signal the church's PR power? They sold you on those things.

Also the Trump example would still be an example of messaging being the Democrat's weakness. If they really convinced the world that a completely ''normal'' president is a coup doing rapist, then their messaging must be really weak if the world still picked someone the Democrats uh...''tricked'' them into thinking was a coup doing rapist. Again that's a lack of PR power.
Ok fun fact because I only found out it was actually spin 2 months back Trump was not charged with rape he was actually found not guilty on that count and charged in said civil case with sexual battery which is not rape.

So no you can't if you care about truth claim in any valid manner that Trump is a rapist. An abuser yes. A Rapist no.
 

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Ok fun fact because I only found out it was actually spin 2 months back Trump was not charged with rape he was actually found not guilty on that count and charged in said civil case with sexual battery which is not rape.
If you're talking about E. Jean Carroll v. Donald Trump, that's rather a misleading summary.

The jury found that rape according to New York's then-definition-- forcible penetration with the penis-- had not been proven. Judge Kaplan stated that the allegation of rape was "substantially true" according to the common definition of the word, and that the verdict showed this.

It has been ruled in court that calling Donald Trump a rapist is not defamatory because it is "substantially true".
 

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If you're talking about E. Jean Carroll v. Donald Trump, that's rather a misleading summary.

The jury found that rape according to New York's then-definition-- forcible penetration with the penis-- had not been proven. Judge Kaplan stated that the allegation of rape was "substantially true" according to the common definition of the word, and that the verdict showed this.

It has been ruled in court that calling Donald Trump a rapist is not defamatory because it is "substantially true".
You mean in the really super obviously fake case that any idiot can tell is a lie?
 

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You mean in the really super obviously fake case that any idiot can tell is a lie?
No.

You've already gone over your reasons for dismissing the verdict, and they were flimsy.
 
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No.

You've already gone over your reasons for dismissing the verdict, and they were flimsy.
In case anyone forgot, this is the case where the already famous writer who worked in television claimed many years later that she voluntarily went with the very famous Donald Trump into a lingerie changing room in an also famous department store, was surprised the encounter turned sexual, fought him off and left, all without anyone noticing at any point, and then also the exact same story was used in an episode of Special Victims Unit on NBC who she used to work for. Oh, and also she went on live tv and declared that rape is sexy.
 

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In case anyone forgot, this is the case where the already famous writer who worked in television claimed many years later that she voluntarily went with the very famous Donald Trump into a lingerie changing room in an also famous department store, was surprised the encounter turned sexual, fought him off and left, all without anyone noticing at any point, and then also the exact same story was used in an episode of Special Victims Unit on NBC who she used to work for. Oh, and also she went on live tv and declared that rape is sexy.
And in case anyone is tempted to take tstorm at his word, this description is obviously highly selective and manipulative on the detail.

((Even aside from relying on age-old and long-debunked tropes about sexual assault and how victims should act)).
 
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And in case anyone is tempted to take tstorm at his word, this description is obviously highly selective and manipulative on the detail.

((Even aside from relying on age-old and long-debunked tropes about sexual assault and how victims should act)).
It's like trauma and abuse. There's only one proper way to act. That's why when we have danger responses, liberal scientists made up the 4 "f"s of "flight, fight, freeze, and fawn". /s
 

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And in case anyone is tempted to take tstorm at his word, this description is obviously highly selective and manipulative on the detail.
If anyone is tempted not to take me at my word, note that not even Silvanus can call what I said inaccurate.
 

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Oh, and also she went on live tv and declared that rape is sexy.
No, she said that she thinks most people thinks of rape as being sexy. Which I could see someone not having any personal experience of the subject save for fiction to think of the subject, kind of how people romanticise pirates.
 

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No, she said that she thinks most people thinks of rape as being sexy. Which I could see someone not having any personal experience of the subject save for fiction to think of the subject, kind of how people romanticise pirates.
She was including herself in that "most". The context of the comment was why she didn't personally see it as rape, because it wasn't sexy.
 

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If anyone is tempted not to take me at my word, note that not even Silvanus can call what I said inaccurate.
Yes, this is how deceptive description works: the speaker exaggerates or manipulates certain details, omits others entirely, and leans on tropes and insinuations rather than explicitly lying. And yet if we actually look at those details dispassionately and without the surrounding manipulative language, they don't point to the conclusion the speaker is trying to paint.

OT:


"Nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen. But with Tylenol, don't take it. Don't take it. And if you can't live, if your fever's so bad you have to take one because there's no alternative to that. Sadly. First question, what can you take instead? Its actually there's no alternative to that. And as you know other of the medicines are absolutely proven bad, they've been proven bad, with the aspirins and the advils, right? And they've been proven bad".

Well there you have it, clear as crystal. Nothing bad can happen, it can only good happen, and also there's no alternative.
 
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It's like trauma and abuse. There's only one proper way to act. That's why when we have danger responses, liberal scientists made up the 4 "f"s of "flight, fight, freeze, and fawn". /s
If you remember the Amber Heard case, if you DO act in that one proper way, you will be brought to court on reverse charges

The WHOLE talking point is goading women into fighting back and thus seen as a criminal
 

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It is really hard to say some is lying when the case has been brought before a court and ruled that they weren't lying. Lying has consequences in court

But, go ahead. Flap about like a dead fish again
 

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Hmm, I'm guessing intimidation/power move and loyalty test. Also, announcing when and where so much senior military leadership will be. Very good.
Might be about the shutdown, like "You have to tell everyone that your not getting your paycheck because of evil democrat".
 

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It is really hard to say some is lying when the case has been brought before a court and ruled that they weren't lying. Lying has consequences in court

But, go ahead. Flap about like a dead fish again
No, it's pretty easy. That case went the way it did in large part because the claim was so obviously stupid, the defense strategy was only to ignore and deny everything. Even the flimsiest of claims with the most bogus evidence can withstand a defense of "nahhhhhhhhhhh". And then the judge's comments are just pure lies.
 

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People have speculated about purging the senior ranks of anyone who appears to have any loyalty to their country instead of just the GOP.