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Meet the new batch of Dr Who villains young British conservatives

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Very strong both "how do you do, fellow kids" and "check their hard drive for hidden folders" energy. Also, looking up some of these names, the one with the fedora is pro incest.
Oh lord, Charles Amos (fedora guy) is an absolute goldmine. I've just taken a peek at his substack. He's written a piece about how arguments arise in marriages when the wife is cooking/ doing the dishes and the man is at the table waiting for dinner.

His solution? Buy a house, or modify your existing house, so that the kitchen (and wife doing these chores) cannot be seen from the dining table.

Some amazing snippets:

Charles Amos said:
Now stopping wives via reasoned argument can be a tricky business, but confining them in the kitchen, out of sight, especially if they don’t know what your doing, is much easier.
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Now there is something about the very loud noises of putting plates away which stirs me and other men to anger.
Fuuuuuucking hell. I suspect some might suggest this is meant to be ironic. Take a look at his career and public roles. Its not ironic.
 

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Very strong both "how do you do, fellow kids" and "check their hard drive for hidden folders" energy. Also, looking up some of these names, the one with the fedora is pro incest.
The rizzless wonders of empire

Going off pure vibes...

Guy 1: multiple marriages end in a mysterious death or disappearance, never shows face to press, public nor daylight

Guy 2: regularly caught in predator stings, hard drives full of incriminating CSaM, somehow avoids charges every time

Guy 3: financial crimes and the most far right freak with nazi obsession, especially Mengele

Guy 4: War crimes, all the war crimes

All of them harbour growing list of domestic abuses the average person could hardly even imagine

...going off pure vibes of course.
 

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OK. Point stands: Sweden did not "cope just fine" without lockdowns. It fared worse than its neighbours.
Literally the gold standard in the medical field has said there is no evidence that masks work...

Sweden did do just fine, and their excess mortality was best in Europe. Also, Japan never locked down and did better than any Nordic country.
While the two charts do not tell exactly the same story, neither has Sweden as an exceptional outlier over the whole pandemic period. Broadly, they seemed to do similarly to most of their neighbours, better than the the USA and UK.
 

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Literally the gold standard in the medical field has said there is no evidence that masks work...
Let's see that link, then, and find out precisely how you're mistaken.

Sweden did do just fine, and their excess mortality was best in Europe.
This is categorically untrue.
 
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You shut down the economy due to lockdowns, guess one of the many things that stops happening?
Covid shut down economies

The lockdown in Australia kept the economy open

This article claims that the economy was effected by the lockdowns there (probably true) but the lockdowns had been removed a year earlier and they STILL had economic issues and an inability to service everyone's health care
 

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Literally the gold standard in the medical field has said there is no evidence that masks work...

Sweden did do just fine, and their excess mortality was best in Europe. Also, Japan never locked down and did better than any Nordic country.
While the two charts do not tell exactly the same story, neither has Sweden as an exceptional outlier over the whole pandemic period. Broadly, they seemed to do similarly to most of their neighbours, better than the the USA and UK.
Wow. Reading the comments, I realized that Sweden actually had a very similar lockdown procedure to Australia. By the sounds of things, Australia (excluding Vic) was generally more open than Sweden but lockdown harder for a weekend if there was an infection found. Most of these Swedish restrictions would not have been accepted in Australian society excepted for those lockdown weekends

I should not have assumed that when Sweden politicians said 'No lockdowns' they actually mean no lockdowns. Very enlightening
 

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Meet the new batch of Dr Who villains young British conservatives
Aw, bless. Young Conservatives, eh?

I wouldn't quite count them out just yet, but the Conservatives are looking completely fucked. Basically, they've lost much of the left of their party to Labour and the Liberal Democrats, and much of the right to Reform. The "natural party of government" are currently struggling to avoid dropping to fourth most popular party in Britain.

The current leadership of the party are now trying to compete only with Reform. This is stupid on two counts: firstly, they fundamentally cannot be a better version of Reform than Reform already are. Secondly, they've got the albatross of 15 years inadequacy and venality in government hanging around their neck.

But this is the reality. Despite his incredibly obvious shortcomings in ethics and competence, they still put Boris in charge, and he shamed them in the public mind terribly. Then they put in the genuinely execrable, "mad as a box of frogs" Liz Truss, and she took a hammer to their reputation for economic competence. These were totally unforced errors they inflicted on themselves. If a party is incapable of running itself adequately, it has no business running the country.
 

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Wow. Reading the comments, I realized that Sweden actually had a very similar lockdown procedure to Australia. By the sounds of things, Australia (excluding Vic) was generally more open than Sweden but lockdown harder for a weekend if there was an infection found. Most of these Swedish restrictions would not have been accepted in Australian society excepted for those lockdown weekends

I should not have assumed that when Sweden politicians said 'No lockdowns' they actually mean no lockdowns. Very enlightening
It's wildly more complicated than that, though and why national comparisons are difficult.

Countries vary by all sorts of criteria. For instance, as noted recently in this forum, loads of Americans explode with outrage at the idea they might be expected to wear a mask, but in many east Asian nations most people do it voluntarily when they're ill. There is a sort of orderliness of a country - it's willingness to follow rules (in this case public health advice). There are also all manner of circumstances that might affect spread of disease, like occupants per house, use of mass transit systems, etc. and other factors to consider such as the general resilience of the healthcare system, etc.

These very different circumstances and attitudes are therefore going to affect base susceptibility to infection spread. The thing about Sweden is that it has quite favourable attributes for lower spread, including a population that tends to favour socially responsible behaviours. As some studies have pointed out, therefore, Sweden as a whole was likely to come off much better than many other countries. Other states could not, or would not, have been able to achieve as good results from voluntary measures - and some of these other countries attempting a no lockdown policy could have been catastrophic.

The UK is perhaps a sort of example. The government clearly did not want to lockdown, and attempted to avoid lockdowns until its hand was forced when it finally realised it was risking utter collapse of the healthcare system. The result of this delay was not only a load of additional sick and dead, but also that when the lockdown occurred, it and the disruption it caused had to go on longer.
 
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You know the culture is thriving when Ben Shapiro has a new book out - the outsider art is yet another barely veiled grievance whingefest as if Tom Clancy never died, but instead had 2 botched lobotomies, CTE, acute solvent abuse and chronic lead poisoning before completing this magnum opus
 

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Aw, bless. Young Conservatives, eh?

I wouldn't quite count them out just yet, but the Conservatives are looking completely fucked. Basically, they've lost much of the left of their party to Labour and the Liberal Democrats, and much of the right to Reform. The "natural party of government" are currently struggling to avoid dropping to fourth most popular party in Britain.

The current leadership of the party are now trying to compete only with Reform. This is stupid on two counts: firstly, they fundamentally cannot be a better version of Reform than Reform already are. Secondly, they've got the albatross of 15 years inadequacy and venality in government hanging around their neck.

But this is the reality. Despite his incredibly obvious shortcomings in ethics and competence, they still put Boris in charge, and he shamed them in the public mind terribly. Then they put in the genuinely execrable, "mad as a box of frogs" Liz Truss, and she took a hammer to their reputation for economic competence. These were totally unforced errors they inflicted on themselves. If a party is incapable of running itself adequately, it has no business running the country.
This is actually fascinatingly akin to the plight of the Tories Dutch counterpart: the VVD.

Like the Tories they keep losing their right wing voters to Geert Wilders and the more posh far right JA21 party, while also losing their liberal wing to the centrist D66 party. They also consistently chose the losing strategy of trying to be more Wilders than Wilders.

Like the Tories they have ruled for more than a decade and about every problem can be traced back to them. Though Rutte has never been as reviled as Johnson and could govern well when he wanted.

The current VVD leader is even somewhat akin to Liz Truss. A consistent blunderer who despite decades of right wing dominance decided the country still wasn’t right wing enough, and who inflicted much damage on party and country alike by brute forcing a swing to the right.
 
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This is actually fascinatingly akin to the plight of the Tories Dutch counterpart: the VVD.

Like the Tories they keep losing their right wing voters to Geert Wilders and the more posh far right JA21 party, while also losing their liberal wing to the centrist D66 party. They also consistently chose the losing strategy of trying to be more Wilders than Wilders.

Like the Tories they have ruled for more than a decade and about every problem can be traced back to them. Though Rutte has never been as reviled as Johnson and could govern well when he wanted.

The current VVD leader is even somewhat akin to Liz Truss. A consistent blunderer who despite decades of right wing dominance decided the country still wasn’t right wing enough, and who inflicted much damage on party and country alike by brute forcing a swing to the right.
*waves from Australia*

Over here, Labor has recently (ish, bought 3 years ago) replaced the LNP who were in power for not quite 10 years. The LNP is not popular, and seems to be trying to make up for this by alienating more potential voters by aping some aspects of the US right.
 

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Cochrane said there's no evidence masks do anything, look it up yourself.
I did. From Cochrane itself:

Cochrane said:
Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.
The chart is on the link. Also, you forgot Japan.
Which chart are you talking about now? The last link you provided was to some forum thread, not to an actual source.
 

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ICE is using appropriate force to bring down the worst of the worst, ultra-violent offenders like.. fifteen-year-old girls.


I'm sure she said she had a knife or something. That justifies everything, right, @Dwarvenhobble?
Ok so you know the SAS cable tie everyone if they're send in to break a hostage situation?

That's because it's considered everyone could be a potential hostile.

In the land of the Gun, they don't know if she's armed. Hell they don't even know she's actually 15.