I find it funny when the GOP cries about gerrymandering when it’s done by Democrats in blue states, but they are the ones who usually does it in red states/purple states.
Funny events in anti-woke world
- Thread starter Agema
- Start date
OK. And you believe that adding more and more unnecessary competing interests (thousands of hospitals, or even 50 states, rather than one national government) would streamline this somehow, and reduce the runaway price inflation, rather than doing the exact opposite?
Fucking obviously, this isn't addressing the question. Had they been able to source from the SNS, they would have had access to just as many (and more) than they were able to source from overseas manufacturers. Without the need for the self-destructive bidding war.
Because-- surprise!-- the Federal government was able to procure 200,000 because it wasn't competing with itself.
Sure. A government contract is no more involved than the transaction I make when I get a sandwich from the corner shop.
In our reality, the more control private, profit-motivated entities have over our access to goods and services, the more those goods and services go to shit, because they're borderline obsessed with cost-cutting and profit margins, and don't give a shit about unimportant guff like wages and quality control. I'm ever more surprised to be arguing with a socialist that we shouldn't be happy with global provision being in the hand of private companies, but there we are.
But the SNS didn't fail to meet demand. Its stockpile grew to ~200,000 after the DPA.
And I'll remind you that you're advocating exacerbating the rush on the market, by increasing thousandfold the number of bidders.
You believe you have the same leverage in your phone contract as the government does in a public contract? The ability to implement laws to regulate it, to negate the contract unilaterally, to implement fines in the millions?
I gotta get hold of your mobile service provider!
In Montana they added a bunch of new voting restrictions to "secure" the elections they won in a landslide. Which is technically true, in the sense that it makes it harder for people who don't typically vote for them to vote at all.
No, but I believe that if the US did it's buying frenzy in January, they would have paid normal prices and got what they needed while the UK would have been overpaying for too few.
Is it? Your argument has been to conflate need with demand this whole time so you can ignore why the prices of ventilators inflated.
The UK sourced iirc half of their ventilators from overseas manufacturers. There's a Swiss company for example that said the UK bought as many ventilators in a single order that they normally buy in a year.
Because- surprise!- the UK couldn't meet demand with domestic manufacture.
I would say it isn't, but that's only if you have to write down your order at the sandwich shop. If you don't then at least a government contract is in writing.
I didn't say I was happy, I was just surprised that the supposed grounded and realistic "socialist" doesn't understand global capitalism is a thing that exists.
This is a problem solved with alacrity, not necessarily central planning. Central planning can help with being fast, sometimes. Having a poor leader certainly hurts. But central planning is largely orthogonal to dealing with a shortage like this one. Italy for example also had ventilator shortages despite it's central health planning.
Actually if the government negates a contract on their end, they're still liable for anything in the contract on that matter and can be sued. If a company who has a contract with me does something untoward they can also be levied with fines or sued. And if I had the resources to command the kind of order you would expect in a government scale contract, if we're being realistic, I could also have laws implemented to (de)regulate it.
So I, me, personally? No, I can spare about $20. John Q. Businessman who makes contracts with private companies for major orders? It's literally the exact same process. And since we're talking about large orders and not individual purchases, it's far more relevant.
@Hades
So it begins as predicted
www.thedailybeast.com
Trying to link Afterlife to the people being awful and people who are deemed awful.
So it begins as predicted
The Sexist Trolling That Led to the New, Underwhelming ‘Ghostbusters: Afterlife’
How Donald Trump, Milo Yiannopoulos, and a cabal of right-wing clowns bullied the new “Ghostbusters: Afterlife” into existence.
Trying to link Afterlife to the people being awful and people who are deemed awful.
Almost like whichever party has power come time for redistricting custom designs the map to maximize their own power or something. They overreached last time, which is why Dems took the House - they drew districts that would let them win based on "normal" turnout numbers and then turnout was much higher. High turnout generally favors Dems, because almost every Republican that is going to vote already does.
Those are the ones that require you to have either a photo ID issued by the state of Montana, a CCP issued by Montana, or two other forms of ID to vote and that you must register to vote no later than noon the day before election day, right?
Among other things, yeah.
Montana’s New Voter ID Law SB 169
SB 169 imposes stringent photo ID requirements to vote
Always be skeptical of people "solving" problems that don't exist
So you believe the meteoric price rise occurred completely independently of the inter-state bidding war, even though most other countries didn't end up paying anywhere near the prices the US states did? OK, if you want to be that credulous.
This is clearly bollocks, because regardless of whether they were ordering by actual or perceived need, they were able to get them more quickly and cheaply from the SNS than directly from the global market.
This hasn't even been under dispute, and doesn't remotely address the part of the post you quoted to respond.
The US could have procured all they needed, or even all they perceived they needed, through the SNS. Without the bidding war. Unrelated guff about the UK ordering 15k from overseas changes that fact not one iota.
Truly amazing.
We both understand it exists. You're the one opening that we should take what areas of control currently exist in government hands, and transferring them over to those private profit-driven interests. We both recognise it exists; you're the only one that wants to expand and strengthen it.
Yes, poor foresight will cause acute shortage regardless of system, hence the need for increased regulation. Which is a solution that becomes impossible with zero national standards.
If a company fails to fulfil its obligations to satisfaction with a government, the government can unilaterally cancel. If the company fails to fulfil its obligations with an individual, the individual usually has to suck it up.
I don't know why you'd be comfortable with the relevant power to challenge this resting solely in the hands of the wealthy, by endlessly increasing the purviews and independence of those companies.
What other things? The article you linked just spent a lot more words describing in finer detail what I wrote. It's just a lawsuit away from requiring Montana to offer a zero cost photo ID option, like other states who have had these sorts of laws challenged.
Quote of the Day
“I don’t even know what enigma means, really. No one really does.”— Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ), in an interview with KNXV, on the notion that she’s an enigma.
politicalwire.com
Really makes you think.
Sorry to backtrack, but remember how nobody took umbrage with crazed lone scavenger Bill being overweight in Tlou 1.
I would not know, because I didn't follow the first game much of the press release. I saw a play through once and that was it. Yet, that does not surprise me.
Druckmann explicitly made him not look like Robert Patterson to push an agenda, the scoundrel.
Some of the bandits you came across in the first game also had biceps as big as Abby's, if not bigger.
Which was actually many years before TLOU2 and not meant to be that far into the whole apocalypse by that point........Druckmann explicitly made him not look like Robert Patterson to push an agenda, the scoundrel.
Some of the bandits you came across in the first game also had biceps as big as Abby's, if not bigger.
No, I believe the price rose because of a global bidding war, and prices were rising worldwide by the time the US was seriously buying up ventilators.
But they couldn't get enough from the SNS, so they had to get from the global market as well.
No, because they couldn't get all they demanded from the reserve, so other countries buying up ventilators on the market is absolutely salient to answering why the US paid so much.
Isn't it just?
This conversation has made me debate that.
I didn't though.
Regulation =/= foresight. Again, Italy. Hell, Japan had a ventilator shortage despite beating back Corona fairly effectively.
That is largely incorrect.
I once again, am not. I'm just trying to dispel the notion that the government is somehow above the law, or has any special power in writing contracts with private entities.
Uuuuuuhm, TLoU1 takes place 20 years after the apocalypse. TLoU2 takes place 4 years after TLoU1.
So, no?
Here's me, desperately hoping it was a lame joke.
Quote of the Day
“I don’t even know what enigma means, really. No one really does.”— Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ), in an interview with KNXV, on the notion that she’s an enigma.
Really makes you think.
Also, who think's she's an enigma?
Do you believe that bidding wars are exacerbated, or ameliorated, by dramatically increasing the number of bidders?
Because of the lateness of the DPA. A purely political choice on the part of the Federal government. Once the DPA was enacted, it very quickly demonstrated the ability of the SNS to easily obtain all the ventilators required.
You may remember that state governors and medical associations across the US were begging the Federal government to utilise Federal ordering and national stockpiles.
That you would believe such guff, yes.
You weren't arguing for decentralisation of resourcing? Huh, that would mean almost all of the countless posts going into great detail about how government involvement was unnecessary/undesirable, and about how independent actors such as hospitals doing it for themselves was desirable were a waste of space.
Statutory minimum reserves would be a regulation. Emergency protocols, such as laws allowing the state to take over necessary resources and materials from private hands, would be a regulation.
Contracts get taken away from franchisees quite frequently in the UK.
Last edited:
Since the UK contributed to it, along with everyone else, it is obviously worse.
I do, I did already say leadership can muck things up, that doesn't change how a global shortage works.
We're staring at each other saying the same thing about the other.
I didn't though, I said it could happen, partly because it has happened. Remember, someone else started in with removing all hierarchy, I'm just here because your arguments against it are dumb.
They are, but they aren't necessarily required for foresight.
If the offending party egregiously fucks up. But in such a situation a private actor can also dissolve a contract, the government isn't special in that regard.