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Seanchaidh

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That's the thing it's not merely the idea of not being a hero. It's about the idea of how little it all matters in the grand scheme of things and how little you matter or ever mattered.
I love Hitchhiker's Guide, but that part never made much sense to me as anything other than a deconstruction of the concept. The way Zaphod survives it is a punt, of course; the idea is not really endorsed either way.
 
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Ah I love the "Don't be weird and different in a way you don't like and then we'll stop hitting you" argument. So nice to see the masks come off so clearly and it to be said so plainly.

The "Your to blame for this" rhetoric.

The incredible sophistry of employed to try and justify such a position and pretend to be superior when in reality thinking you've been introspective about it because in your view the goals are righteous so there an be no misdeed on your part. Its all in service of "The Greater good".

You bring up a topic you know is somewhat offlimits and can't be argued against hoping no-one will challenge you


Because if anyone did you might have to spend a bit of time being introspective yourself for a change rather than telling everyone else to be it. Tell me, how many people do you believe need to be beaten in the streets for the crime of not agreeing with you?

One?


Two?


More?
Was there supposed to be a coherent point in that?
 
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Agema

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It isn't a trial, there are going to be conflicts of interest, but if it were a trial, you're essentially advocating for a trial with no defense attorney. Our system of laws here is an adversarial system, if you clear out the people who would act in opposition it doesn't work. That's why the tradition is to let the parties pick their own appointments, exactly so that they can pick the people the other side doesn't want to deal with.
It seems odd to on the one hand claim it's not a trial, and then to argue for an adversarial system, because this is logically inconsistent.

Secondly, it's also poorly argued, because there is a manifest difference between allowing people under scrutiny to have their say (as a witness, and with representation as required), and giving them control over the proceedings. It is a fundamental principle that a police officer or judge cannot oversee a case where they are involved, and should even recuse him- or herself if they have associations close enough to prejudice the case.

There are over 200 Republican congressmen to choose from to represent their party. About 140 voted to delay the certification, and I would not object to many of them sitting on a committee either. But someone as closely connected to Trump as Jim Jordan is beyond the pale.
 
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The Republican viewpoint is "you have no right to judge us because you are evil, and any wrongdoing we do is just to defeat your evil".
Republicans don't think Democrats are evil. Well, some of the politicians are, but that's cause they're politicians, not cause they're Democrats. Republicans think Democrats are naive, or ignorant, or sometimes just plain stupid.
 

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Republicans don't think Democrats are evil. Well, some of the politicians are, but that's cause they're politicians, not cause they're Democrats. Republicans think Democrats are naive, or ignorant, or sometimes just plain stupid.
Naive and stupid enough not to be eradicating the white supremacist and terrorist republicans openly running around.
 
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It seems odd to on the one hand claim it's not a trial, and then to argue for an adversarial system, because this is logically inconsistent.
You see, I said "but if it was", indicating the rest was a counterfactual assessment.
Secondly, it's also poorly argued, because there is a manifest difference between allowing people under scrutiny to have their say (as a witness, and with representation as required), and giving them control over the proceedings. It is a fundamental principle that a police officer or judge cannot oversee a case where they are involved, and should even recuse him- or herself if they have associations close enough to prejudice the case.

There are over 200 Republican congressmen to choose from to represent their party. About 140 voted to delay the certification, and I would not object to many of them sitting on a committee either. But someone as closely connected to Trump as Jim Jordan is beyond the pale.
Again, it isn't a court case. Which means there is no defense. You're trying to assemble a team to act as judge, jury, and prosecution, and telling those who would act in defense to recuse themselves.
Naive and stupid enough not to be eradicating the white supremacist and terrorist republicans openly running around.
Did you just directly advocate for slaughtering people?
 

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I honestly have never understood what is supposed to be terrifying about it.
Perhaps I should've been more specific. Brevity is the soul of inevitable misinterpretations after all!

The thought of surviving, of attempted travel across an infinite plane of pitch black nothingness, literal lifetimes of loneliness punctuated by extremely unimaginable violence from energies and forces too massive and powerful to outrun or outmaneuver should they occur. All extremes of extremes of nature with no physical or emotional anchor as I'm left spinning wildly forever until eventually the mercy of vicious gravitational forces crush and rips apart my flesh into swirled paste in one intensely painful sudden mulchy crunch. Cataclysmic violence or the eternal cold void beneath the feet always clawing at the mind until the cosmic vertigo causes me to fall off my chair, accidentally impaling the innocent child next to me with my cheese knife. Or so my nightmares tend to make it out to be anyway. Not very fun experiences tbh.

Wait, is it just me that gets that then?

🤔 Hmm. 🤔

Still, it is marginally less frightening than the very depths of our own ocean at least.

When your entire identity rests on you being the center of everything, and there being some higher being who loves you so very much just for being you and has an eternal spot in the afterlife saved just for you, realizing that you are utterly inconsequential compared to all of existence and everything would go on as normal if you were snuffed out like a used cigarette is unbearable.
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Again, it isn't a court case. Which means there is no defense. You're trying to assemble a team to act as judge, jury, and prosecution, and telling those who would act in defense to recuse themselves.
Indeed it is not a court case, so there is no judge, jury or prosecution. It is going to collect a lot of information. That information may then contribute to potential cases brought through appropriate processes, at which point anyone charged will have ample opportunity to make their case before an actual court. It's more like a police investigation by analogy, and sure as hell you'd like to think that the police will vigorously pursue investigation and evidence collection.

But we still don't want compromised people having power over this sort of process, because they can use that position to obstruct, limit access, use insider knowledge to warn and protect themselves and their allies under investigation.
 
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Perhaps I should've been more specific. Brevity is the soul of inevitable misinterpretations after all!

The thought of surviving, of attempted travel across an infinite plane of pitch black nothingness, literal lifetimes of loneliness punctuated by extremely unimaginable violence from energies and forces too massive and powerful to outrun or outmaneuver should they occur. All extremes of extremes of nature with no physical or emotional anchor as I'm left spinning wildly forever until eventually the mercy of vicious gravitational forces crush and rips apart my flesh into swirled paste in one intensely painful sudden mulchy crunch. Cataclysmic violence or the eternal cold void beneath the feet always clawing at the mind until the cosmic vertigo causes me to fall off my chair, accidentally impaling the innocent child next to me with my cheese knife. Or so my nightmares tend to make it out to be anyway. Not very fun experiences tbh.

Wait, is it just me that gets that then?

🤔 Hmm. 🤔
Still don't get it.

Big numbers aren't spooky.
Being completely and utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things is neither.
Not even infinity really is, it is just an headache inducing concept, if you really think about it.
 

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And than they vote for Trump ................
Avnger got it covered.
That information may then contribute to potential cases brought through appropriate processes, at which point anyone charged will have ample opportunity to make their case before an actual court.
This is incorrect. Congress does not do criminal investigations, nor is the purpose here to do so. The purpose of a congressional investigation is supposed to be purely to inform policy decisions. By stated purpose, that is the case here, though no doubt the greater motivation is to publicly shame people for cheap political points. If the goal is to inform policy decisions to help prevent or defend against repeats of Jan 6th, then having someone with closer insight into Trump and his supporters would be of greater value, not detriment. Pelosi rejected some committee appointments because their presence would interfere with the unstated goal of public shaming.
 

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Avnger got it covered.

This is incorrect. Congress does not do criminal investigations, nor is the purpose here to do so. The purpose of a congressional investigation is supposed to be purely to inform policy decisions. By stated purpose, that is the case here, though no doubt the greater motivation is to publicly shame people for cheap political points. If the goal is to inform policy decisions to help prevent or defend against repeats of Jan 6th, then having someone with closer insight into Trump and his supporters would be of greater value, not detriment. Pelosi rejected some committee appointments because their presence would interfere with the unstated goal of public shaming.
The people... who allowed Jan 6 to happen?

That sounds like a great way to make it regular

Edit: I gotta say this again. Being afraid of shame and being wrong is a big part of the problem
 
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Edit: I gotta say this again. Being afraid of shame and being wrong is a big part of the problem
I would say the problem is more that conservatives feel shame a little too acutely, while also believing they have a right to never feel shame for anything. Though yes, our discourse being boiled down to, "You're not only wrong, you're also an asshole," certainly isn't helping. Of course, we know who takes the lion's share of the blame for that.
 

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I am not much of a Biden supporter, but that man just outsmarted Putin.


In other words, he's called Putin bluff, and Putin couldn't do anything despite holding a better hand than Biden. And yes the anti-woke opinion is that Biden is a good president on foreign policy despite the other stuff Biden did. Morally Biden is as bad as any US president, but morality doesn't matter when Americans aren't starving like North Koreans, as corrupt as Maduro's regime, and can't do anything about an aggressive alliance at your borders like Putin. He's even made good on his promise to bring factory jobs back to the US like the Intel plant in Ohio by directing US corporations to focus on bringing down US factory jobs via soft power.

Once Covid has died down, and his economic numbers are better, his domestic policy will get higher approval than right now.
 

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I am not much of a Biden supporter, but that man just outsmarted Putin.
He fabricated a panic about Russian soldiers being in Russia to distract from his disinclination to solve any of the real problems facing the American people? Such genius, wow