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Ha ha, that whole thread (Tweet chain?) of blue ticks is such a good explanation of why the paid tick system is stupid. Like, who the fuck are these people? I dunno, but they've got a blue tick so they must be important!
Good luck to 'em all, but nothing is going to top wiping out billions off an insulin company.
 
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So McCarthy is apparently trying to strike a deal with his detractor and I gotta say, some of what they want makes a lot of sense.
Other wins for the holdouts include provisions in the proposed deal to expand the number of seats available on the House Rules Committee, to mandate 72 hours for bills to be posted before votes and to promise to try for a constitutional amendment that would impose federal limits on the number of terms a person could serve in the House and Senate.
 
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Giving an early update today since the 12th round actually had significant movement

12 round results
  • McCarthy (R): 214
  • Jeffries (D): 211
  • Jordan (R): 4
  • Hern (R): 3
McCarthy, after a number of rules concessions, has picked up 14 votes from the Republican splinter group. He still is 4 votes short of the speakership, however. Things have gotten rather more heated between the remaining minority of never-McCarthy reps and the majority of Republicans. Democrats continue to remain united behind Jeffries though they were apparently missing a member for the vote.

We will likely see a 13th round of voting within the next hour or two.

So McCarthy is apparently trying to strike a deal with his detractor and I gotta say, some of what they want makes a lot of sense.


Apparently this was the cause of the 14 vote swing

edit: McCarthy has now lost the 13th round of voting with nearly identical results to the 12th
 
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So McCarthy is apparently trying to strike a deal with his detractor and I gotta say, some of what they want makes a lot of sense.


... what's the catch? This feels like a trap cause I never would have expected either side to do good things like pushing for term limits, let alone some of the more CooCoo for Cocoa Puffs Republicans on the way right.
 

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Apparently, Jordan Peterson may be on the verge of having his medical license revoked.
Just as some pedantry, Peterson does not have a medical licence, as he is not a medical doctor.

He is a clinical psychologist; this is usually the highest level of psychological therapist and is in many countries both a protected and regulated job, as medicine is (whereas any old unqualified quack can claim to be most other form of psychological therapist). I assume this is the case in Canada. So he's losing his clinical psychologist licence. He may, however, still be able to practice "therapy": just not as a registered clinical psychologist.
 

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... what's the catch? This feels like a trap cause I never would have expected either side to do good things like pushing for term limits, let alone some of the more CooCoo for Cocoa Puffs Republicans on the way right.
Congressional term limits (at least the strict ones most people talk about) are an awful idea that shift the balance of power from professional politicians (who are at least theoretically answerable directly to voters every 2/6 years) to professional lobbyists (who are never responsible to voters). When the people who write the laws and vote on the laws don't have the experience to write them correctly, they'll be forced to rely even more on the lobbyists (who don't have term limits) that are the most knowledgeable. While I realize this is already somewhat the case, why make it even worse? Term limits also increase the incentives to vote against the wishes of the populace. A politician who can only serve for a total of 6 years or however long are more likely to try and make their time spent into purely a stepping-stone for further private employment afterwards since they don't need to keep the voting public happy for long periods.

 
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So McCarthy is apparently trying to strike a deal with his detractor and I gotta say, some of what they want makes a lot of sense.
Superficially, maybe.

As amusing as it watching the Republicans in semi-self-destruct, the problem is that these kooks will make progress. And what progress means for them is to fuck with anything going on in Congress. Their aim is disruption, destabilisation and nihilistic breaking of the system, the intent being that the more things break, the more it creates gaps for them to slip into. When government stops functioning, it's the mainstream running the show who tend take the punishment: so, the Democrats and less extreme Republicans. Thus ironically the people breaking the government can end up rewarded for it with electoral success.

We're already in a world where the worse element of the Republican party seems to think that people like Viktor Orban or Poland's PiS are role models of good governance rather than quasi-autocracies. It might be better for the Republicans to have had a 30-seat majority so they could safely ignore their protofascists.
 
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Congressional term limits (at least the strict ones most people talk about) are an awful idea that shift the balance of power from professional politicians (who are at least theoretically answerable directly to voters every 2/6 years) to professional lobbyists (who are never responsible to voters). When the people who write the laws and vote on the laws don't have the experience to write them correctly, they'll be forced to rely even more on the lobbyists (who don't have term limits) that are the most knowledgeable. While I realize this is already somewhat the case, why make it even worse? Term limits also increase the incentives to vote against the wishes of the populace. A politician who can only serve for a total of 6 years or however long are more likely to try and make their time spent into purely a stepping-stone for further private employment afterwards since they don't need to keep the voting public happy for long periods.

That already seems like a major problem with our current system. Except right now there's no way to change those players as they (essentially) get themselves a monopoly on the seat and won't be unseated as the incumbent unless they get taken down by the other party (so a corrupt democrat is going to be supported by The Democrats for reelection almost always and vice versa for Republicans)

I have no idea if term limits would actually help with that as it has it's own problems (the "experience" part being the most obvious) but it also kind of feels like the old fucks who have been in politics longer than most of us have been alive isn't a very good idea either...

Like I don't think the limit should be one or two terms but it kind of feels like once you're getting into 20+ years, something needs to change. Especially as some of these 80+ year old politicians seem to have trouble remembering their own name, let alone their job and what they're supposed to be voting for...
 

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Superficially, maybe.

As amusing as it watching the Republicans in semi-self-destruct, the problem is that these kooks will make progress. And what progress means for them is to fuck with anything going on in Congress. Their aim is disruption, destabilisation and nihilistic breaking of the system, the intent being that the more things break, the more it creates gaps for them to slip into. When government stops functioning, it's the mainstream running the show who tend take the punishment: so, the Democrats and less extreme Republicans. Thus ironically the people breaking the government can end up rewarded for it with electoral success.

We're already in a world where the worse element of the Republican party seems to think that people like Viktor Orban or Poland's PiS are role models of good governance rather than quasi-autocracies. It might be better for the Republicans to have had a 30-seat majority so they could safely ignore their protofascists.
Hey, been a while, how you been? Lose your account or something? I'd suggest asking to have that fixed, but with egadmin out, I'm not sure there's anyone who can.

Anyway, yes, it can be safely assumed the motivations for these shenanigans are entirely self-serving.
 

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We already have a method of enforcing term limits: It's called "voting for someone else". The fact that the system has a severe shortage of smart voters is not an inherent flaw in the system itself.
If we weren't in a broken two party system I could agree. But we're not. We're in a broken two party system.

If the Democrats keep throwing their weight behind people like Dianne Feinstein, Dianne Feinstein will never leave unless a Republican takes them out (or more likely since she's approx 1,462 years old, she dies in office).
 
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Hey, been a while, how you been? Lose your account or something? I'd suggest asking to have that fixed, but with egadmin out, I'm not sure there's anyone who can.
Yes, it won't send me verification emails. I emailed to ask for it to be fixed, and you can guess how that turned out. I also just took a break as well.
 

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LESS spending on our incredibly bloated defense budget?!?!

I mean...they probably wouldn't actually do anything useful or good with the money saved but baby steps...
But it's appeasing Russia at the expense of Ukraine's defense.
Russia's manipulation of the conservative narrative has paid off.
 

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Congressional term limits (at least the strict ones most people talk about) are an awful idea that shift the balance of power from professional politicians (who are at least theoretically answerable directly to voters every 2/6 years) to professional lobbyists (who are never responsible to voters). When the people who write the laws and vote on the laws don't have the experience to write them correctly, they'll be forced to rely even more on the lobbyists (who don't have term limits) that are the most knowledgeable. While I realize this is already somewhat the case, why make it even worse? Term limits also increase the incentives to vote against the wishes of the populace. A politician who can only serve for a total of 6 years or however long are more likely to try and make their time spent into purely a stepping-stone for further private employment afterwards since they don't need to keep the voting public happy for long periods.

Some of the worst legislation comes from ancient career politicians, because they just rely on lobbyists to write their laws and set themselves up for private work after. And the longer they have to write laws, the better they can set themselves up.
 

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Tssk, they should take their cues from Turkey. Like half of these fucknuts like tough guy talk anyway, let's see them put up their dukes and have a bit of a brawl.
Still plenty of votes to fail! You can't come out with your money shot on failure #14. Gotta build up to it. Tease the audience. Give them a little taste until they're practically begging for release...

Edit: Awwwwww 😞 Evidently he got a few Republicans to vote PRESENT to drop the required votes needed. Which makes me question why he had to fail 14 times before trying that...

EDIT 2: Found out why he didn't do that in the first place but it's still funny
 
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