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Ag3ma

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How has the far right infiltrated the military and police? This is like conspiracy theory tin-hat shit you're going on about.
Far from being a conspiracy, it's the conclusion of your own government and numerous law agencies.

 
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Far from being a conspiracy, it's the conclusion of your own government and numerous law agencies.
There is always a tendency who do like certain ideas about law&order or about strong macho men with weapons defending their community to be drawn to police and military.
In many cases there is also an overlap with political right wing leaning and those idea. That is why you get so many right wing guys into military and police.

Now for the far right : Some of those overrepresented right wing guys are far right from the start. Others eventually start to flirt with ideas and concepts that make their own role more important : Civil war and violent uprisings are situations where armed forces really can shine. They have enemies, they have people they need to protect and they can win the day via their prowess. They can be heroes.

That is why a lot of those people really want to believe far right wing ideas about a coming civil war or about various hostile groups trying to take over the country who can only be stopped by violent means.


It is really unfortunate and annoying but, for once, not something that only happens in the US. Societies all over the world struggle with this. However how they treat this phenomenon differs.
 

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Far from being a conspiracy, it's the conclusion of your own government and numerous law agencies.

There's quite a difference between military and police personnel being involved in terrorism and the far-right actually infiltrating these departments like say Hydra. Of course, police and military personnel will be involved in domestic terrorism at a higher clip than normal because those are the professions that have the knowledge to plan and execute terrorism. If the far-right was infiltrating the departments like the police, then why did the FBI massively and disproportionately go after January 6th participants vs the BLM participants? Wouldn't the far-right infiltrating these departments result in the opposite happening or is this just part of the far-right's long con?
 

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And who is responsible for all the new crime policies that don't actually punish criminals that are increasing crime?
Assuming you're talking about US policies, those responsible would be either the far-right Republican Party, or the somewhat less right-wing but still right-wing Democratic Party.
 

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There's quite a difference between military and police personnel being involved in terrorism and the far-right actually infiltrating these departments like say Hydra.
Everyone else is noting that there are reports, including from governments, the military and law enforcement agencies themselves, that there is a persistent trend for the far right to either try to gain recruitment into the police and military, or to recruit serving and ex-service personnel into far right ideology. As most police and military organisations do not permit ideological extremism in their ranks, far right members of these services do so by concealing or lying about their beliefs. This meets the definition of infiltration.

No-one is claiming this is a centrally co-ordinated, systematic suberversion of law agencies and the military by a massive, singular, crime syndicate like in a comic book. That is just your straw man and trivialisation of the issue.
 

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Assuming you're talking about US policies, those responsible would be either the far-right Republican Party, or the somewhat less right-wing but still right-wing Democratic Party.
Nope, the democrats that push this through are far more left than even the average left citizen (the citizens don't want this). It's like how black communities didn't actually want defund the police but everyone else keep forcing it on them and how much better everything would be.

Everyone else is noting that there are reports, including from governments, the military and law enforcement agencies themselves, that there is a persistent trend for the far right to either try to gain recruitment into the police and military, or to recruit serving and ex-service personnel into far right ideology. As most police and military organisations do not permit ideological extremism in their ranks, far right members of these services do so by concealing or lying about their beliefs. This meets the definition of infiltration.

No-one is claiming this is a centrally co-ordinated, systematic suberversion of law agencies and the military by a massive, singular, crime syndicate like in a comic book. That is just your straw man and trivialisation of the issue.
Am I to make from this post (where this argument string came from) that Terminal is just talking about the occasional far right person becoming a cop by not telling the cops they are far right or actually infiltrating the police department to move it towards a more right ideology? I obviously interpreted it as the latter. Who doesn't hide their skeletons on a job interview? How is this some news that people that are far right (or any type of extreme) don't say that they are in a job interview? And if I was trying to plan and execute some kind of attack, I would be looking to recruit people that know how to do it and those people would be police and military obviously. You guys are acting like this is some smoking gun or something, it's just general common sense and basic logic.
The far left doesn't intentionally infiltrate police departments and the military. The far left does not seek to influence or usurp the political system. The far left do not organize paramilitary training camps to learn how to conduct armed terrorism.
 

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Nope, the democrats that push this through are far more left than even the average left citizen (the citizens don't want this). It's like how black communities didn't actually want defund the police but everyone else keep forcing it on them and how much better everything would be.
Are you using "far left" just as a synonym for "did things I disagree with"?
 

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Am I to make from this post (where this argument string came from) that Terminal is just talking about the occasional far right person becoming a cop by not telling the cops they are far right or actually infiltrating the police department to move it towards a more right ideology? I obviously interpreted it as the latter.
It varies. Fundamentally, the far right tends to have a strong attraction to imposing order by force.

Some far right individuals will join because they have a hard-on for violence, authority, and the ability to impose their vision of order on others. After that, there are myriad groups who may have varying objectives in encouraging membership in police / military. Some may merely want to accrue personal military and paramilitary skills to then bring back to their groups. Some are however interested in spreading their ideology and recruiting people with training in violence into the far right, because they are attracted to the imposition of their view of social order by force. Often accompanied by apcalyptic notions that race war / civil war / communist revolution is imminent: which they intend to win.
 

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then why did the FBI massively and disproportionately go after January 6th participants vs the BLM
Because one tried doing a coup and the other didn't. And ''massive and disproportionate'' isn't exactly the phrase I'd use. For treason most seem to have gotten off pretty light.
 

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The murderous general's funeral gets more people murdered. Isn't that ironic?
In the context of volatility due to the Middle East's current ongoing conflicts, I think "extremely dangerous" is a better descriptor than "ironic".
 

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Are you using "far left" just as a synonym for "did things I disagree with"?
Nope, a policy left of what the average left citizen is OK with is far left.

It varies. Fundamentally, the far right tends to have a strong attraction to imposing order by force.

Some far right individuals will join because they have a hard-on for violence, authority, and the ability to impose their vision of order on others. After that, there are myriad groups who may have varying objectives in encouraging membership in police / military. Some may merely want to accrue personal military and paramilitary skills to then bring back to their groups. Some are however interested in spreading their ideology and recruiting people with training in violence into the far right, because they are attracted to the imposition of their view of social order by force. Often accompanied by apcalyptic notions that race war / civil war / communist revolution is imminent: which they intend to win.
How do you think you get to socialism or communism? It rhymes with horse.

Again, I'm not overly concerned about the occasional far right person being in the police because it's basically unavoidable. What I would be concerned about was them actually trying to take over the police (especially in leadership), which I don't see any evidence of.