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tstorm823 said:
The UK should cancel that debt. Also, the description of the dossier as "leaked by a conservative politician" is heinously dishonest, it had been passed around for months, and many of it's assertions had been made public through the press before the election, it just hadn't been released as a whole.
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You and I both know that you would not support the US taxpayer footing the bill for a foreign billionaire who, as a private individual, took out a private lawsuit in a US court. Especially one that was so legally ill-founded that it was thrown out within one day of scrutiny by a judge.
 
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Agema said:
You and I both know that you would not support the US taxpayer footing the bill for a foreign billionaire who, as a private individual, took out a private lawsuit in a US court. Especially one that was so legally ill-founded that it was thrown out within one day of scrutiny by a judge.
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A) It's not the UK spending or receiving the money, this is payment ordered from Trump to Steele's company Orbis. I don't want the UK to pay out Steele either.
B) You and I both know that if a US based firm was contracted to try to tank a UK politician, and the politician sued over the damage to his reputation, you wouldn't be hoping for the US courts to charge that politician large sums of money for the privilege of having the case dismissed.
 
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A) It's not the UK spending or receiving the money, this is payment ordered from Trump to Steele's company Orbis. I don't want the UK to pay out Steele either.
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This is how the law works, buddy.

People shouldn't be able to force others to spend lots of money defending themselves when there isn't a case to answer. Rich people already have very extensive ability to harass others into submission with legal threats. The fact that they may end up having to pay the legal costs of those they wrongly bring suits against is a massive part of defending people from bullying.

Once you accept this principle - and I assume you do - you have to accept that Trump needs to pay up. He brought this on himself.
 
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Agema said:
The fact that they may end up having to pay the legal costs of those they wrongly bring suits against is a massive part of defending people from bullying.
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If your business is the collection and distribution of solacious rumors, it's not bullying when you get sued, you should probably have a legal budget prepared. The only manner in which Trump "brought this on himself" is by not bringing the suit fast enough.
 
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If your business is the collection and distribution of solacious rumors, it's not bullying when you get sued, you should probably have a legal budget prepared.
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Sure, I agree.

And such people are also entitled to have their legal costs paid if a lawsuit against them fails. As everyone is (theoretically) equal under the law, this means if you think rumourmongers should have to pay their own defence costs from a failed suit, then you think everyone else should, too. The ramifications of this are societally corrosive.

Of course, your the argument you are making here is really that rumourmongers deserve to lose their money because they are unethical. It is fascinating to see you pursue this with such vigour, in defence of... Donald Trump - a man with a truly spectacular history of lies, fraud and slander. It makes me feel that you have not so much lost your moral compass, as thrown it to the ground and stamped on it repeatedly.

The only manner in which Trump "brought this on himself" is by not bringing the suit fast enough.
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I have to imagine that Trump's lawyers warned him of this: if he pressed ahead anyway, he absolutely did bring this on himself. If they did not warn him appropriately, I'm perfectly happy for him to sue his lawyers for incompetence.
 
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Agema said:
Of course, your the argument you are making here is really that rumourmongers deserve to lose their money because they are unethical. It is fascinating to see you pursue this with such vigour, in defence of... Donald Trump - a man with a truly spectacular history of lies, fraud and slander. It makes me feel that you have not so much lost your moral compass, as thrown it to the ground and stamped on it repeatedly.
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They did do something unethical. Consider instead a similar case against the New York Times (who you know I have no particular love for). They reported on information they got from Mary Trump, which she had previously agreed not to publicize. She violated the agreement, that's not a crime by the NYT by any measure I'm aware of, and was a stupid lawsuit, and the court made him pay their legal fees. Fine by me. Steele got paid to spread the piss tape story around, that's what he was sued over, that is an entirely different scenario.

If the direction of your moral compass points uniformly to hurting your enemies, it's not a particularly useful compass. You have to accept, at least in theory, that Trump can be right and can be wronged, or I don't want to hear a word about my moral compass.
 
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I don't think Project 2025 is about a white ethno-state. I think it's about a conservative pullback of social liberalism, and Liberalism/capitalism in general.

They want nuclear families back. And surprisingly it won't be women who suffer the most unless you don't count death as suffering and slant it towards long-run suffering, it will be male incels who supposedly most are radicals, and the plurality is radical left-wing (Not progressivism but like Maoism). It will be people who cannot get wives and girlfriends, and LGBTQ people who aren't in the tech industry or aren't rich enough to leave. They will also attack liberal women who choose to get a pet instead of a boyfriend. A lot of people will be shunned, outcasted at best, or at worst sent to prison to work in labor camps.

Now I understand the democratic DAs who were against large-scale mass prison systems they didn't want to fuel private prisons that right now are having a field day.

It's American 1950s traditionalism for the 21st century. The human clones aren't ready, the radical life extension isn't ready, and immigration is too temporary to fix the birthrate problem. An immigrant will get a family, their children however may not.

I don't think it's even about China having 1 billion to the US's 350 million, it's about American power. America has picked being a powerful country over productivity, and climate change from having a lower birthrate. The democrats aren't against this, they are already having candidates like the New York Senator in Congress say they will interfere in races with 'newcomers' aka progressives who would be the most likely to reverse this.

It's an interesting calculation and mass policy movement. America loves to learn from failure, Japan is a failure they have a low birth rate, as is South Korea, and even Switzerland, and the EU countries. Even Immigrant-heavy Germany does not have the population growth to be a dynamic country. We have never been a full democracy like your Nordic countries, people in prison can't vote for example.
 
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