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think you're trying to convince yourself, not us.
Which is why, I never feel sorry for this person nor others like him. They chose this so they can deal with the consequences and being in denial, all they want. They fucked everyone over and they're too foolish and dellusional to see that. The Trump supporters, "the neutral"(not really), snd big businesses Who all thought they were gonna get a major payout. Or be part of something better all got fucked over or getting screwed over right now.
 

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I think you've been horribly mislead. It's not surprising, you are reliant on the media for information,
Oh yawn. When I say you're actually convincing yourself, this tedious little refrain of yours is exactly the sort of thing I mean.

Who do you think that's going to convince? It's just you trying to assert that you are smarter than everyone else, and it has no traction outside your own head.

the only "failure" is in the stock market, which has only failed in as much as rich people want to take advantage of a crisis.
This is a bit like saying the weather has failed every time there's a hurricane.

The stock market is a complex system. It is largely predictable: do certain things and likely get a certain response. Then, the output of the system could be altered through changing how it works - laws, regulations, etc.

If the stock market "fails", then okay, let's assume there is a problem with the system. The objective, then, is to change the system so it provides the desired outputs to stimuli. So why present this complex system with stimuli likely to make it fail, unless the intention is to make it fail? We can assume that the u-turn and policy reversion indicates the intention was not for it to fail. In which case, it was just remarkably stupid to push it towards failure.

No amount of smart-arsery and waffle about "elites", "rich", blah blah blah obscures the raw incompetence of the above.
 

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"For the Chinese imports, the exclusion of the tech products applies only to Trump's reciprocal tariffs, which climbed to 125% this week, according to a White House official. Trump's prior 20% duties on all Chinese imports that he said were related to the U.S. fentanyl crisis remain in place."

Righto. So what I said originally about blanket tariffs remains true, including for tech.
Oh look, the TV I bought a couple months back is still the same price.

I mean, if a joke of a policy did way better than what currently is in place, I'm also going for the joke of a policy. Because what the US has now is truly atrocious

What Trump has put in place now is the old Spoils system that the US rightly got rid of in the 1890s (and a president was assassinated over.) It always deleted any form of meritocracy. This is way, way worse than anything DEI did

You replaced a system you don't like with something worse. Congrats
What are you talking about? Most jobs hire based on people you know. My current company mainly hires from employee referrals. You think any other president appoints people in the government based on just looking at resumes and hiring the best candidate? That hardly happens because you'd rather hire someone you know that you like or someone that someone that you like vouches for vs an unknown person that has a better resume. DEI isn't too concerned with hiring someone actually diverse, they might hire more racial diversity but not ideological diversity. You think Obama appointed a decent amount of conservatives for example? You think Kamala was the best vice presidential candidate? Do I think Trump is hiring the best people? Hell no, because literally nobody does and his hires are probably on par with most presidents.
 

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It's just you trying to assert that you are smarter than everyone else, and it has no traction outside your own head.
It's not about being smarter. I make no attempt to tell you what goes on in British politics. If you were here, you'd laugh at the headlines just like I do.
 

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LOL. You know, I cut down on snacks and sugary drinks recently. So did my dad. So did a lot of people I know. It was Lent. Trump's recent tariffs coincided with Lent in a nation that is over half Christian and over 20% Catholic. People give up snacks and soda for Lent. And then also, literally millions of people have gone on GLP-1 medications, which reduce or eliminate the cravings that drive people to snack foods. But no, it's definitely the secret canary in the economic coal mine (even though we've been hearing over the last few years of inflation that snacks have surprisingly inelastic demand even as prices drive up, and were likely the last thing people would cut, rather than the first...)
 

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"distracting from our core task - WAR FIGHTING"

Well, maybe. But the funny thing about the military is that even for a country with a polypragmatic foreign policy like the USA that is technically active in a conflict zone somewhere nearly all the time, actually it does very little fighting. (Which is, of course, a good thing.)
 

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Most of the people that comment here don't even live in the US yet they are so obsessed with the US, it makes no sense whatsoever.
I mean, it makes sense to talk about it. You talk to people for some shared cultural experience and us culture kinda dominates the globe at this moment in history. The level of conviction is probably unwarranted, but I have to have some sympathy for people who are sort of locked into either talking about a nation they don't belong to or just sitting out of like 50% of conversations. It's not an enviable choice.
 

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The means by which to gage someone being trans is sure to not be far more invasive than the idea of a transwoman using the ladies room, right? Passport and or genital checks before being allowed into a bathroom or changing room? Yeah?

Good thing we made everyone less uncomfortable by putting those transgenders in their place, huh?
Usually any time bathroom bills come up, the right answer is to protest by explicitly following the law and finding the manliest trans men available to take up space in the ladies room. However in this case if they can be banned from both the men's room and the ladies room, I'm not sure what the most effective attack would be.

at someone trying to negotiate the end of a war that many other leaders have egged on. We elected him to try, and he's trying, that's not upsetting.
To be fair, Trump isn't going to support any end to that war that doesn't involve Ukraine ceding territory to Russia and Russia not being meaningfully prevented in any way from just invading again in a couple of years when they feel like it. You know, the kind of solution that's the ideal for Russia.

Democrats are flying to El Salvador to try to spring a man who has been credibly accused of gang membership, accused of domestic abuse, and pulled over while driving a car full of other migrants in a car owned by a convicted human trafficker. And that is the example of the administration being in most conflict with the law. Why do you think that is a failure on Trump's part?
H.L. Mencken said:
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
This is just that by presidential fiat than actual law. The problem has always been about due process and following federal law, not the particulars of who it's being abused against. Because you always target the worst sorts first, because it makes it easier to justify and harder to defend against and then you use that as justification to expand it from there. Every time it happens, it makes it easier to happen again and worse which is why you have to kill it at the start. See Trump having already suggested he wants to do the same for "homegrown".

That cannot be fucking real.
I don't know if the actual badge is real, but that's an actual Xitter post he made.
 

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Accurately listing price increases of tariffs is a hostile political act according to this administration of truth-allergic scum.

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Amazon said on Tuesday its low-cost Haul unit had considered listing import charges for goods in light of new U.S. tariffs but denied looking at such a plan for its main website, after the White House accused it of a hostile political act.
The Seattle retailer spent a chaotic morning denying a report from Punchbowl News that it planned to display prices showing tariffs' impact on Amazon.com. It acknowledged it had considered it for certain inexpensive China-made products on Haul but then rejected the idea.


The confusion initially prompted a 2% drop in Amazon shares after White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt called the reported pricing plan "a hostile and political act by Amazon." Amazon denied the initial story.


 

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it is still kinda jarring to observe people presenting as hippies straight up yapping violent reactionary fash nonsense. charles manson was an informant for CIA though, so maybe shouldn't be that surprised
 
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Oh look, the TV I bought a couple months back is still the same price.
I love how much your position has shifted, shrunk, and withered over the course of this discussion.

Originally: "There won't be blanket tariffs, tell me when it happens".

Now: "this product hasn't gone up in price yet".

...As if you're even remotely arguing the same thing any more, and as if your original claim-- that there won't be blanket tariffs-- hasn't completely fallen apart.
 
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I love how much your position has shifted, shrunk, and withered over the course of this discussion.

Originally: "There won't be blanket tariffs, tell me when it happens".

Now: "this product hasn't gone up in price yet".

...As if you're even remotely arguing the same thing any more, and as if your original claim-- that there won't be blanket tariffs-- hasn't completely fallen apart.
Literally my 1st post on the manner of tariffs:
Surely then you have evidence that all these prices went up last time he was president?

I didn't move any goal posts... I'm in IT, I'd think I'd remember tech prices going up (not counting the chip shortage with covid obviously).
 

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Literally my 1st post on the manner of tariffs:
Indeed, and we've already gone over the fact that those things weren't included in Trump's tariffs in his first administration, but they are now. Making your question asinine. The things that were included did go up in price.

You then went on to state that tech would be excluded this time too, that there would be no blanket tariffs, and that we should tell you when it happened. Then it happened.
 
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this really worth watching, currently live, tho may have missed the bit where he played footage of the illegally deported people in the prisons and the crowd was chanting USA USA USA as it got to end of footage. have to see the fash on display unlaundered, unfiltered

 
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