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Because public research universities recruit from across the world, and it's in bad form to have an agency that's at the epicenter of controversy in the US recruit in such an institution.
At the first glance of post of ICE in unversity i thought they were coming for all the international students and teachers (because only citizens have real rights and visas can be revoked without informing their holders).

Recruiting on campus is quite mild to all the other stuff happening.
 

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First thing that comes to mind. ICE enters a citizens home without warrant. They are known to not identify themselves. This happens in a stand your ground/castle doctrine state. Home owner sees unidentified armed and masked men intrude into his home. Opens fire on unknown intruders. Gets killed in altercation. Seems like a fun cheat code.

Second thought. Normal criminal buys tacticool gear, throws on a mask, pretends they're ICE to force their way into people's homes. How is anyone to know the difference?
 
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Third thought: actual Constitutional amendment violation, about as blatant as it can get, and absolutely no one will do anything about it because it will upset Baby Emperor Trump.
 

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It be like that, eh?
That's a weird statement to make

''The federal government hates your guts and send brownshirts to occupy your state and murder the citizens. Therefore you should reward the federal government and go do what they say''

Walz and his state owe the federal government nothing after what happened. Its the federal government that must makes steps to repair the relation.

The demand that the state give up its voter database to the regime in the White House is also deeply suspicious given how that regime wants to overturn democracy.
 

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That's a weird statement to make
Weird? Desperate, maybe.

Killing generally law-abiding (white) citizens is a PR disaster: for all the administration's overt lies, the early evidence suggests this incident is going to look bad for ICE. (It might even unsettle the gun lobby, for heaven's sakes: they don't want to imagine carrying is a licence for the cops to shoot them.) It's likely to anger Minnesotans and drive more protest and conflict, and so more chance of ICE brutality.

Thus the Federal government is probably worried that the Minnesota ICE operation has become a massive liability for them. As authoritarian as they are, I don't think they're so insensitive to public opinion that they're willing to risk turning a state into a warzone to show how tough they are. They may need to pull ICE out or dramatically downgrade operations, which will be perceived as a defeat. This means their last gambit to claim a win is to hope they can persuade Walz to enforce for them.
 

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Perhaps someone does not care much for Bolsonaro, or its followers

Perhaps the bees last year weren't clear enough of a sign
 

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Perhaps someone does not care much for Bolsonaro, or its followers

Perhaps the bees last year weren't clear enough of a sign
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Apparently TikTok (in the United States) is now under strict censorship after the ownership transfer to an American company. Direct Messages with the word "Epstein" are flagged as violating community guidelines (even if that's literally all they say) and videos about the situation in Palestine or Minnesota are removed without clear explanation. The algorithm itself seems to be sanitized of political content (though much is still hosted) and other random content for no apparent reason.


The new owners claim that there have been problems are a result of a data center outage, though that doesn't seem to answer any questions about not being able to send direct messages containing "Epstein" or the removal of videos for "content violations".
 
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So you introduced this metric. You introduced the reference. And now you want to talk about how unreliable it is.



When did we (forum members) act as if wiping down vegetables or shopping bags was necessary?



Uhrm, no. Not if its unrelated to lockdowns, its not.



"Suppose this ia true", it asks us, that the experience of lockdown is equivalent to 2 months dead.

Absolute horseshit. And that is the calculation its asking us to make.
You said it only takes like one microbe to infect you when that's not true.

No, you claimed we didn't know various things when we did and the media and experts said otherwise. That is my point.

There wasn't a singular lockdown policy. Closing beaches or schools or telling people to stay home is lockdown policy.

The analysis isn't saying each day of lockdown is a day of lost life like you had claimed, then claimed that I can't read. Losing out on experiences you would've had is a loss of life. Are you gonna tell someone that was in prison for 20 years that they lost no life whatsoever?

Because public research universities recruit from across the world, and it's in bad form to have an agency that's at the epicenter of controversy in the US recruit in such an institution.
No, it's not. If the FBI has a scandal, does that mean the FBI can't recruit in colleges? This is nonsense because you're emotional about the issue. Banning a government agency from recruiting at a college is simply closing off opportunities to people.
 

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But they have *administrative* warrants! You know, the kind signed off by an ICE employee. It's not like there's a fucking constitutional amendment whose primary goal was to prevent the executive from engaging in search and seizure without the judicial signing off on it or anything...wait...well fuck.

Unitary executive theory time - ICE derives their power because it was delegated from Trump, Trump is a very special boy who is immune to all laws, so if ICE is doing what Trump wants they inherit his immunity. I half expect this to be an actual legal argument made in an actual court before we have a non-MAGA president again (I don't promise the one thing that eventually comes to all of us won't reach Trump first).

Kind of like how Trump has violated the Epstein act up and down and is pushing an argument that not only does the law not have an enforcement mechanism but that literally no one whatsoever has standing to challenge him not following it. Which is a wild thing to argue about something you yourself signed into law just months ago.

Every day I think my prediction about ICE in polling places for "election security" to "stop illegals form voting" as a means of voter suppression seems more and more likely.
 

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Unitary executive theory time - ICE derives their power because it was delegated from Trump, Trump is a very special boy who is immune to all laws, so if ICE is doing what Trump wants they inherit his immunity. I half expect this to be an actual legal argument made in an actual court before we have a non-MAGA president again (I don't promise the one thing that eventually comes to all of us won't reach Trump first).
I think there's another principle at play, which is that you can get a lot done by breaking the law before the courts finally stop you. Take Uber: that pretty much had a business model of lawbreaking. By the time the courts caught up and processed everything, Uber had put most of their opposition out of business. Uber could undercut local taxi firms by breaking laws/regulationsto lower costs, although subsidising from its vast, investor-filled coffers also helped.

It is frustrating when private entities fuck with the law in this sort of way, but for the government to do it is a whole new order of bad. After all, the point of Rule of Law is that the government is supposed to faithfully abide by the law, particularly as the supreme power that also enforces it. Once the government sees the law as an irritating bind on its power to be dodged as convenient, things get a lot more dangerous for citizens and organisations.
 

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You said it only takes like one microbe to infect you when that's not true.
Theoretically, it's perfectly true; theoretically, given the right environment, a single viral agent could reproduce almost exponentially.

Of course, the probability of such a situation is vanishingly low, due to environmental factors-- both internal to the body and external. That's why metrics such as the infectious dose exist: to factor them in and approximate the viral load likely to overcome such factors and cause an infection.

And that metric shows its very easy to transmit the common cold, with the infectious dose low enough to be generated in a few minutes.

No, you claimed we didn't know various things when we did and the media and experts said otherwise. That is my point.
No: you have claimed that public bodies essentially bullshitted the public, knowing their guidance was useless, for no discernable gain. To substantiate this you have provided various examples of early, misguided behaviour, and pointed to a few early, mostly-inconclusive studies in other countries that showed they weren't useful. You have never shown any of this evil, wilful misguidance that """the science""" supposedly did.

There wasn't a singular lockdown policy. Closing beaches or schools or telling people to stay home is lockdown policy.
And under no reasonable definition is foreign aid "lockdown policy" because it has fucking nothing to do with lockdowns.

The analysis isn't saying each day of lockdown is a day of lost life like you had claimed
It is predicating its comparison on exactly that. It directly calls the aggregate communal time spent in lockdown "lost years" and directly, 1-to-1, compares the time lost to that lost to death, for which it uses exactly the same term.

I'm sure you can read, but your comprehension of even quasi-academic material is abominably poor.
 

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Theoretically, it's perfectly true; theoretically, given the right environment, a single viral agent could reproduce almost exponentially.

Of course, the probability of such a situation is vanishingly low, due to environmental factors-- both internal to the body and external. That's why metrics such as the infectious dose exist: to factor them in and approximate the viral load likely to overcome such factors and cause an infection.

And that metric shows its very easy to transmit the common cold, with the infectious dose low enough to be generated in a few minutes.



No: you have claimed that public bodies essentially bullshitted the public, knowing their guidance was useless, for no discernable gain. To substantiate this you have provided various examples of early, misguided behaviour, and pointed to a few early, mostly-inconclusive studies in other countries that showed they weren't useful. You have never shown any of this evil, wilful misguidance that """the science""" supposedly did.



And under no reasonable definition is foreign aid "lockdown policy" because it has fucking nothing to do with lockdowns.



It is predicating its comparison on exactly that. It directly calls the aggregate communal time spent in lockdown "lost years" and directly, 1-to-1, compares the time lost to that lost to death, for which it uses exactly the same term.

I'm sure you can read, but your comprehension of even quasi-academic material is abominably poor.
It's possibly possible but not how it works in the real world. Infectious dose is a metric that is very much a best guess estimate and that's all it is. I only brought it up because you're acting like just being in contact with someone sick for a second means you can get infected. I haven't gotten a cold all cold season this year (from last fall through the spring) and I've been in contact with tons of sick people (and some for long periods of time). If colds transmitted so easily, I would've gotten sick at some point this season. Found out that I'm most likely immune to norovirus as well.

I never claimed that. I said the public was given misinformation. I didn't claim it was disinformation.

If policy was not to have aide workers go to other countries, it's part of lockdowns.

The study did not say one day of lockdown = one of lost life, that's what you said. If you're saying you can ever make a comparison to people not being allowed to do what they want to life lost from deaths, then you are saying you can't compare that at all. Thus, that would be it would be impossible to such comparisons at all, which is ridiculous. In your world, being imprisoned for 10 years is the same as living a normal life for 10 years.
 

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It's possibly possible but not how it works in the real world. Infectious dose is a metric that is very much a best guess estimate and that's all it is. I only brought it up because you're acting like just being in contact with someone sick for a second means you can get infected.
No, i said being in relatively brief contact is enough-- a second is highly unlikely to transmit, but minutes can certainly be enough.

And you brought up the infectious dose, and a source about it... which backed up what i said.


I haven't gotten a cold all cold season this year (from last fall through the spring) and I've been in contact with tons of sick people (and some for long periods of time). If colds transmitted so easily, I would've gotten sick at some point this season. Found out that I'm most likely immune to norovirus as well.
Blah blah blah. Moving on.

I never claimed that. I said the public was given misinformation. I didn't claim it was disinformation.
You have repeatedly said they knew the guidance was wrong and gave it anyway. That would be disinformation. Without any discernible gain or motive.

If policy was not to have aide workers go to other countries, it's part of lockdowns.
Oh you're talking about travel for aid workers now? A minute ago you were talking about funding for these programmes being cut.

The study did not say one day of lockdown = one of lost life, that's what you said.
Yet it used the same term for both and did a 1-to-1 comparison. It absolutely made that equivalence.

I'm sorry the 'report' you posted was utter shit, but it was.
 

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You said it only takes like one microbe to infect you when that's not true.

No, you claimed we didn't know various things when we did and the media and experts said otherwise. That is my point.

There wasn't a singular lockdown policy. Closing beaches or schools or telling people to stay home is lockdown policy.

The analysis isn't saying each day of lockdown is a day of lost life like you had claimed, then claimed that I can't read. Losing out on experiences you would've had is a loss of life. Are you gonna tell someone that was in prison for 20 years that they lost no life whatsoever?


No, it's not. If the FBI has a scandal, does that mean the FBI can't recruit in colleges? This is nonsense because you're emotional about the issue. Banning a government agency from recruiting at a college is simply closing off opportunities to people.
Banning how, they have a website, plus it's counterproductive. Raise your hand if you want to tell other students that you want to join ICe with your face showing.