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Your broad point about the prohibitive cost of academic material is valid, but google's 'AI overview' is worth fuck all and people should stop paying it a moment's attention.
True on AI, I was just lazy, but I am not paying 200 dollars for a book. Let me buy books at reasonable prices and I would if they were hosted on a platforms like Steam where the platform isn’t full of money grabber’s.
 

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Dude, we aren't spitballing our own hypotheses here. As I told you before: We are trying to explain foundational epidemiology to you. What we've been trying to explain to you is not novel, controversial, or inferred; it’s standard infectious disease modeling, and we have invoked the data to you.

I told you directly: "rhinovirus challenge studies show infection at very low doses (on the order of ~10 TCID₅₀ units), and that coughs and sneezes can expel thousands to tens of thousands of viral particles. So it is entirely accurate to say a sneeze can contain many times the infectious dose."

Those are very well corroborated statements, and have been for decades.

Viral Load and Sequence Analysis Reveal the Symptom Severity, Diversity, and Transmission Clusters of Rhinovirus Infections | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic

Minimum Infective Dose of the Major Human Respiratory and Enteric Viruses Transmitted Through Food and the Environment - PMC

You've said you’ll reconsider when there’s data that contradicts your view. Yet from the start, you dismissed the very premise as necessarily "ridiculous" without requesting or examining any sources, instead insisting that 'common sense' observation meant they automatically had to be wrong. That isn’t the data-first evaluation you present it as. Rather, it's a filter for data that aligns with your expectations.
And I've pointed out that sneeze particles are a rather pointless number and don't reflect how you get sick. People cover sneezes, walk away a bit, hold sneezes, etc. People don't say tilt their head up and spray a room with a sneeze. Same thing with coughs, people don't get coughed on like ever (besides for kids coughing sometimes). Saying there's all these particles in a sneeze/cough does not equate to how you catch colds in real life. And you even said in a prior post that you don't even know how many of the sneeze particles are active/inactive.

There's no data showing that going to a store and shopping is in any way risky for catching a cold.

Oof! A corrupt teacher abused their position to try and get the parents of one of her students deported by ICE. And then it turned out she called a fake hotline and exposed herself.

Should be grounds for getting fired since she's deliberately working to endanger one of her students. Parents weren't even illigal.
Kindergarten Teacher Tries to Report Student's Parents to ICE, Only to Learn the Tip Hotline Is Fake | IBTimes UK
Oof! Detroit police officers cooperate with ICE and get suspended... This is why ICE has to be in all these cities because local law enforcement doesn't cooperate with ICE/DHS.
 

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Oof! Detroit police officers cooperate with ICE and get suspended... This is why ICE has to be in all these cities because local law enforcement doesn't cooperate with ICE/DHS.
And that's a problem? Given how ICE has behaved in Michigan the state and its institutions owe them absolutely nothing. Even before that its a hard sell to deem helping them good behavior when ICE can't be trusted not to harm those they arrest.

Besides if the law says the police is in their right to fire the cop for it then they're in their right in a practical as well as a moral sense. Its not a controversy.
 
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And that's a problem? Given how ICE has behaved in Michigan the state and its institutions owe them absolutely nothing. Even before that its a hard sell to deem helping them good behavior when ICE can't be trusted not to harm those they arrest.

Besides if the law says the police is in their right to fire the cop for it then they're in their right in a practical as well as a moral sense. Its not a controversy.
This isn't a response to ICE over the last year, this is literally why ICE had to go into these cities to begin with.
 

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And I've pointed out that sneeze particles are a rather pointless number and don't reflect how you get sick. People cover sneezes, walk away a bit, hold sneezes, etc. People don't say tilt their head up and spray a room with a sneeze. Same thing with coughs, people don't get coughed on like ever (besides for kids coughing sometimes). Saying there's all these particles in a sneeze/cough does not equate to how you catch colds in real life. And you even said in a prior post that you don't even know how many of the sneeze particles are active/inactive.

There's no data showing that going to a store and shopping is in any way risky for catching a cold.


Let's recap: The point you have been trying to argue was that a sneeze containing "many times over an infectious dose", is "a ridiculous statement".

That right there was what I've been pushing back against: You made a direct claim about the viral load contained in a sneeze. I explained to you that it's a simple well-corroborated fact that a given sneeze in an infected individual does in fact contain many times the infectious dose.

Moreover, as part of that, I explained to you: "That’s why simple measures like covering coughs and sneezes and keeping distance from sick individuals reduce transmission: they reduce the number of viable particles that reach another host, lowering the probability of infection."

You know...that same thing you're now trying to invoke yourself, only you're going well beyond the scope and saying that it renders that number 'pointless'? It's not 'pointless', it's part and parcel of why the damn disease doesn't go extinct. Since any given particle has a very low chance of infecting a new host, the virus compensates with extreme numbers.

To put it directly: viruses can't control the circumstances under which a sneeze spreads their particles. Most droplets won't reach another person, and most viral particles that do will never successfully start an infection. If respiratory viruses only produced the minimum number of particles needed for infection, the disease would quickly die out because too few transmission events would succeed.

So respiratory disease compensate with numbers, releasing many times more viral particles than the infectious dose as what amounts to statistical insurance. Because the virus cannot control where droplets travel or whether they reach a susceptible host, producing large numbers greatly increases the chance that at least some particles will successfully infect someone else. Without that redundancy, transmission would mostly require extremely rare "perfect" conditions, like a sneeze directly into another person's nose.

In this respect, it's similar to how mushrooms reproduce. A single mushroom releases millions to billions of spores. That huge number is necessary because the release is uncontrolled and most spores land somewhere unsuitable for growth. Almost all of the spores fail, but producing enormous quantities increases the probability that at least a few will land in the right environment and develop into new mushrooms.

Again: this is basic epidemiology. And you clearly aren't even trying to understand it, just rejecting it out of hand because it was introduced to you in the form of a correction to one of your statements.
 
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And I've pointed out that sneeze particles are a rather pointless number and don't reflect how you get sick. People cover sneezes, walk away a bit, hold sneezes, etc.
😂 😂 😂

Yes, people do indeed cover sneezes or distance themselves a bit!

You know, like what health agencies recommended, with face masks and distancing! Measures that you yourself argued were totally useless and didn't do anything!

Now you want to refer to covering and distancing as reasons for why a sneeze is less likely to infect someone?!
 

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Bold of the Democraps to admit they stand for nothing. Or at least nothing anyone who isn't donor class wants.
Well, they sort of stand for something: that they continue to have jobs. All they need is roughly half the legislators, and that will ensure that donors keep paying them and all their apparatchiks can keep their jobs as aides, researchers, lobbyists, policy wonks and whatever else.
 

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Hey remember the New Social Contract party of Saint Pieter Omtzigt? That Dutch party all about good governance and role of law, that decided to become a toady party for Geert Wilders? Well, they were already wiped out of parliament over this, but they also got wiped out on a local level now.

On the negative end the all but openly fascist Forum for Democracy was one of the winners locally.
 
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Hey remember the New Social Contract party of Saint Pieter Omtzigt? That Dutch party all about good governance and role of law, that decided to become a toady party for Geert Wilders? Well, they were already wiped out of parliament over this, but they also got wiped out on a local level now.

On the negative end the all but openly fascist Forum for Democracy was one of the winners locally.
Kanker nazis.
 
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Hey remember the New Social Contract party of Saint Pieter Omtzigt? That Dutch party all about good governance and role of law, that decided to become a toady party for Geert Wilders? Well, they were already wiped out of parliament over this, but they also got wiped out on a local level now.

On the negative end the all but openly fascist Forum for Democracy was one of the winners locally.
Dolle leut.

Down here we have another 3 years reprieve before having to watch our local brand of fasc gain an electoral victory. Tho the Flanders/Wallonia political divide will probably ensure it won't be too bad federally. Locally tho. And maybe we'll be in for another 500+ day federal formation crisis.
 

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On the negative end the all but openly fascist Forum for Democracy was one of the winners locally.
On the one hand they were much bigger once then they are now. On the other, the reason they fell into obscurity was because they were exposed for Nazi shit, which apparently people don't see as a problem now when voting. And on an even different hand, the people who bounced off of the PVV are probably filling up a lot of that space at FvD.

Still though... *sigh*
 

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On the one hand they were much bigger once then they are now. On the other, the reason they fell into obscurity was because they were exposed for Nazi shit, which apparently people don't see as a problem now when voting. And on an even different hand, the people who bounced off of the PVV are probably filling up a lot of that space at FvD.

Still though... *sigh*
One thing that's rather frustrating in Europe is that we're very much capable of deeming foreign far right leaders like Trump a freak, but don't learn to apply this domestically.

Trump is deemed a freak even by the far right here, but somehow they think their own candidates will be any different. And the wider public scoff on the festival of corruption while also voting for De Mos, or saying Le Pen's fraud isn't that bad.
 

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One thing that's rather frustrating in Europe is that we're very much capable of deeming foreign far right leaders like Trump a freak, but don't learn to apply this domestically.
That's not entirely true. There clearly has been some cost for European far right parties due to the Trump effect, and why many have publicly distanced themselves from him.

But for many, well... Nazis gonna Nazi. There's always a bunch of people who'll think this time even if others fail, it'll turn out okay this time because they're the ones doing it.
 

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That's not entirely true. There clearly has been some cost for European far right parties due to the Trump effect, and why many have publicly distanced themselves from him.

But for many, well... Nazis gonna Nazi. There's always a bunch of people who'll think this time even if others fail, it'll turn out okay this time because they're the ones doing it.
To an extend but its also mostly just a temporary setback. Once the initial shock wears off plenty of Europeans start thinking again that their own corrupt far right parties aren't like Trump at all, and can thus be voted for without worry.
 

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One thing that's rather frustrating in Europe is that we're very much capable of deeming foreign far right leaders like Trump a freak, but don't learn to apply this domestically.

Trump is deemed a freak even by the far right here, but somehow they think their own candidates will be any different. And the wider public scoff on the festival of corruption while also voting for De Mos, or saying Le Pen's fraud isn't that bad.
The human brain, i'mma right?
 

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One thing that's rather frustrating in Europe is that we're very much capable of deeming foreign far right leaders like Trump a freak, but don't learn to apply this domestically.

Trump is deemed a freak even by the far right here, but somehow they think their own candidates will be any different. And the wider public scoff on the festival of corruption while also voting for De Mos, or saying Le Pen's fraud isn't that bad.
For many years Nazis were the generic bad guys in bad action films, and yet voters in the last few years...
 

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But for many, well... Nazis gonna Nazi. There's always a bunch of people who'll think this time even if others fail, it'll turn out okay this time because they're the ones doing it.
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For many years Nazis were the generic bad guys in bad action films, and yet voters in the last few years...
Ah, but Trump, Bolsonaro, Le Pen, et all, are not nazis. Nazism is a specific political ideology, which many of these modern far right ideologues politics have a lot of similarities to, but are not exactly the same, and thus they are not nazis.