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Let's recap: The point you have been trying to argue was that a sneeze containing "many times over an infectious dose", is "a ridiculous statement".

That right there was what I've been pushing back against: You made a direct claim about the viral load contained in a sneeze. I explained to you that it's a simple well-corroborated fact that a given sneeze in an infected individual does in fact contain many times the infectious dose.

Moreover, as part of that, I explained to you: "That’s why simple measures like covering coughs and sneezes and keeping distance from sick individuals reduce transmission: they reduce the number of viable particles that reach another host, lowering the probability of infection."

You know...that same thing you're now trying to invoke yourself, only you're going well beyond the scope and saying that it renders that number 'pointless'? It's not 'pointless', it's part and parcel of why the damn disease doesn't go extinct. Since any given particle has a very low chance of infecting a new host, the virus compensates with extreme numbers.

To put it directly: viruses can't control the circumstances under which a sneeze spreads their particles. Most droplets won't reach another person, and most viral particles that do will never successfully start an infection. If respiratory viruses only produced the minimum number of particles needed for infection, the disease would quickly die out because too few transmission events would succeed.

So respiratory disease compensate with numbers, releasing many times more viral particles than the infectious dose as what amounts to statistical insurance. Because the virus cannot control where droplets travel or whether they reach a susceptible host, producing large numbers greatly increases the chance that at least some particles will successfully infect someone else. Without that redundancy, transmission would mostly require extremely rare "perfect" conditions, like a sneeze directly into another person's nose.

In this respect, it's similar to how mushrooms reproduce. A single mushroom releases millions to billions of spores. That huge number is necessary because the release is uncontrolled and most spores land somewhere unsuitable for growth. Almost all of the spores fail, but producing enormous quantities increases the probability that at least a few will land in the right environment and develop into new mushrooms.

Again: this is basic epidemiology. And you clearly aren't even trying to understand it, just rejecting it out of hand because it was introduced to you in the form of a correction to one of your statements.
My original claim is that you don't get sick from going to the store (and since you all take everything 100% literally, I don't mean it's literally impossible to get sick from going to the store, just very very very rare). Secondly, you have not been able to claim how much actual active viral particles are in a sneeze because none of the studies that you or Silvanus have linked has provided that data point, thus meaning you don't know how much infectious dose is actually in a sneeze.

Upper respiratory diseases are airborne and their particles will float around in the air, just being with someone in the same room with them breathing and talking normally will get you sick. That's when you get sick is when the people you spend prolonged periods of time with (friends/family/coworkers) are sick. If you're worried about strangers getting you sick, it will be like restaurants and bars to worry about, not grocery and department stores.

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Yes, people do indeed cover sneezes or distance themselves a bit!

You know, like what health agencies recommended, with face masks and distancing! Measures that you yourself argued were totally useless and didn't do anything!

Now you want to refer to covering and distancing as reasons for why a sneeze is less likely to infect someone?!
There's basically no evidence that masking did anything because a face mask isn't going to stop you from getting sick from family/friends/coworkers that are sick because the virus is airborne and masks don't help against airborne transmission. If you're watching a movie with your kid and one of you is sick, it's not going to matter if you have masks on or not, you'll get sick either way. Distancing to 6 feet in places where you don't get sick already (like grocery stores) doesn't really do anything, hence why the measure was stupid. Whereas watching that movie with your kid and you're six feet away will still get you sick. The places that are 90+% likely to get sick, those measures don't do anything. Whereas those measures could possibly work in say a restaurant setting, but you can't be 6 feet away from people you're dining with and people didn't wear masks in the restaurant (outside of walking to their table, which did nothing). The whole wearing a mask to sit down in a restaurant but not at the table is literally the microcosm of how pointless most covid guidelines/recommendations were.

BEFORE covid, people already covered sneezes/coughs. This was not some new thing that people just started doing.
 

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My original claim is that you don't get sick from going to the store (and since you all take everything 100% literally, I don't mean it's literally impossible to get sick from going to the store, just very very very rare). Secondly, you have not been able to claim how much actual active viral particles are in a sneeze because none of the studies that you or Silvanus have linked has provided that data point, thus meaning you don't know how much infectious dose is actually in a sneeze.

Upper respiratory diseases are airborne and their particles will float around in the air, just being with someone in the same room with them breathing and talking normally will get you sick. That's when you get sick is when the people you spend prolonged periods of time with (friends/family/coworkers) are sick. If you're worried about strangers getting you sick, it will be like restaurants and bars to worry about, not grocery and department stores.


There's basically no evidence that masking did anything because a face mask isn't going to stop you from getting sick from family/friends/coworkers that are sick because the virus is airborne and masks don't help against airborne transmission. If you're watching a movie with your kid and one of you is sick, it's not going to matter if you have masks on or not, you'll get sick either way. Distancing to 6 feet in places where you don't get sick already (like grocery stores) doesn't really do anything, hence why the measure was stupid. Whereas watching that movie with your kid and you're six feet away will still get you sick. The places that are 90+% likely to get sick, those measures don't do anything. Whereas those measures could possibly work in say a restaurant setting, but you can't be 6 feet away from people you're dining with and people didn't wear masks in the restaurant (outside of walking to their table, which did nothing). The whole wearing a mask to sit down in a restaurant but not at the table is literally the microcosm of how pointless most covid guidelines/recommendations were.

BEFORE covid, people already covered sneezes/coughs. This was not some new thing that people just started doing.
Load of waffling blah, just restating positions you've already laid out.

Dude: you just said that distancing and covering one's sneezes will limit transmission. You have undermined every argument you've been furiously making for weeks. This shows crystal clearly that you just throw these empty lines out without any thought put into the meaning or substance.
 
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So Robert Mueller is dead and Trump has his typical response.

“I’m glad he’s dead”
 

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So Robert Mueller is dead and Trump has his typical response.

“I’m glad he’s dead”
Oh, is that so? Wonder what the folks who got their jimmies ruffled over others saying similar about Kirk think of this.

Btw, not an invitation, usual suspects
 

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It's weird that they couldn't even double-tap, which makes me believe they manually led the missile. Still impressive, Iran. Also, the F-35, and more importantly, the pilot is safe, which really goes to show you the quality of Iranian missiles.

Even that, or they used Chinese radars, in which case they could have fired twice.

Or they used this:

"Iranian "Majid" photoelectric air defense missile system"
 

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Try not reading this as if it was Frasier, adding a few "Oh Niles" occasionally

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In the winter of 2021, the dinergothification of my life began.



I had been hopping around Airbnbs across the West Coast since Covid hit and the San Francisco startup that employed me closed the office and forced everyone to go remote. I settled in Portland, Oregon: the right mix of cost, urbanity, and nature. Not a backwater by any stretch, but a not-very-diverse city with small-town energy and a relatively functional housing market that normal people could aspire to afford. Despite its self-conscious “weird” image, Portland is basically what mainstream America looks like.

I matched with a girl on Tinder. Her profile listed she/they pronouns, mentioned trauma, and showed her in cosplay.

It was the coldest weekend of the winter and my date was smiling through a shiver. The pandemic meant that we were drinking out on the bar’s freezing patio. In her skirt and fishnet stockings, she was absolutely not dressed appropriately for the weather, and her thick eye makeup was badly applied. Her nose was aquiline with a septum piercing, and her other features were catlike — high cheekbones, weak chin, and big steel-blue eyes under dyed red hair.

“You look cold!” I said with a friendly half-laugh, so as to avoid embarrassing her about her disastrous misapprehension of the weather. I offered my heavy jacket and she refused, still shivering. After a bit of small talk, I politely pushed the issue until she relented, and I draped the puffy garment over her shoulders. She was grateful and her smile lit up more.

“I have autism. And anxiety. And OCD and ADHD.” She said it fast, like it was a grocery list, like it explained everything. And maybe it did. It was a cocktail of tendencies that made it hard for her to express herself or ask for what she needed. There was an admirable lack of self-consciousness in her voice — something that verged on pride.

She asked what I’d been interested in lately, and I replied that I’d been reading a book about Maoism — I had come from a world where it’s important to signal that you’re into ideas. “W-what’s ‘Maoism’ again?” she asked, inquisitive but with an uncertain stutter, like she thought she was supposed to know what this and other -isms meant. I explained that it’s a type of communism and she nodded dutifully with an earnest smile. She just seemed happy to be hanging out together.

We went to my place and she excitedly grabbed the remote to put on the anime Soul Eater on my living room TV. It was wild and expressive and weird, and devoid of irony in a stereotypically Japanese way. I had never really watched anime before — I was enjoying it, but I felt guilty doing so as a sophisticated adult. But if a hot girl likes it, can it really be cringe?

On our second date, she brought a huge bag of sex toys and BDSM gear — unprompted, unashamed. She dropped it on the floor of my apartment with a thunk. It wasn’t a gesture or a performance, but purely practical. It meant: I’ll be staying over a lot.

Within three dates we made our relationship official. This relationship was characterized by picking her up from her parents’ home in the suburbs, watching anime or Disney cartoons or The Sopranos (my choice) while she laid on my lap, playing Stardew Valley on her Nintendo Switch and hitting her weed vape. She loved to dance when we went out, and, being an ex–theater kid, was really good at it. She’d stay over almost every night for our two-month relationship, partly as respite from her uneasy home life.

The breakup was sudden. Her reasoning was incoherent to the point where I am not even sure she understood her own feelings, but buried in the jumble of justifications was an insinuation that I was too much of a yuppie for her. This was indeed a disconnect — I worked in tech, she worked at a vape shop; she liked the simple things in life and I had cosmopolitan intellectual pretensions; I lived by status gradients that I couldn’t admit, and she just existed in cozy downward mobility. Only later did I realize that our breakup wasn’t unusual for her. It was how things tended to end.

The breakup hurt. I loved her simplicity, her lack of guile, her low-stakes way of being that was so different from the status-anxious lifestyle that was practically the law of living in San Francisco or Washington, D.C. I wanted to be part of her little world.

What was she? What was this little world of hers? Very online in a very different way than me — she liked streamers and YouTubers and The Owl House fandom. She was oblivious to the status signals that I had taken as a given.

I had a broken heart and am a bit neurodivergent myself, so I needed answers and I needed a category. Tumblr girl? Too specific to a time and place. E-girl? Not really: her social media use was mostly scrolling TikTok and Instagram content rather than creating it. Fandom geek? Alt-girl? Just neurodivergent? None of these captured the varied traits I would later come to recognize as forming a stable and increasingly common constellation.

I would find they practically make this kind of person on an assembly line. America in the 2020s is a dinergoth factory.
 

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This is why every old politician should be booted out of power, and before you ask, no the finance & tech bros/Shanghai Clique/'Reformers' are even worse. They may get better relations with the US, Europe, India, Japan, and possibly Taiwan. But they are even more traditional than the Xi faction.

Give how many programmers there are in China we could have 50 Crimson Desert sized games, but nooo.

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It looks like I jumped the gun a little bit, and the game dev is a bit of a dick, but I still hate traditionalists.
 

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Wilders snitching to daddy Trump about the mean things the PM has said about him years ago has been a new level of pathetic.
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I am so sick of the Orban glaze/worship by the right. The guy is a idiot, I would at-least pick someone on Poland if I am picking an example of a good capable leader. At-least at-least East Asia has Lee Kuan Yew, and Deng Xiaoping.
 

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I am so sick of the Orban glaze/worship by the right. The guy is a idiot, I would at-least pick someone on Poland if I am picking an example of a good capable leader. At-least at-least East Asia has Lee Kuan Yew, and Deng Xiaoping.
Hungary seems to have declined into about the lowest living standards within the EU so its hard to find reasons to admire Orban. Unless his success of strangling Hungarian democracy is the thing they admire. Next month might reveal Orban failed in that too, though I'm not holding my breath.
 

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Try not reading this as if it was Frasier, adding a few "Oh Niles" occasionally

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On the one hand, yes when the mainstream increasingly fails vast swathes of people and you have a very widely accessible alternative culture melting pot on the internet, it makes sense that people would gravitate towards it en masse, but remain out in the sticks.

But on the other hand, I can picture the author fanning himself on a chaise longue while languidly masturbating over his own work, so fuck him and everything he says.

I mean, I do find it interesting how sub/alternative cultures interact and change etc, but I wish he was a lot less wanky about it.
 

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On the one hand, yes when the mainstream increasingly fails vast swathes of people and you have a very widely accessible alternative culture melting pot on the internet, it makes sense that people would gravitate towards it en masse, but remain out in the sticks.

But on the other hand, I can picture the author fanning himself on a chaise longue while languidly masturbating over his own work, so fuck him and everything he says.

I mean, I do find it interesting how sub/alternative cultures interact and change etc, but I wish he was a lot less wanky about it.
I just find that as someone with most of my adult life in alt culture and friend circles, seeing someone like the author try their hand at biological notes for their column like a grandad peering from betwixt their curtains (or just Frasier from the show, uh, Frasier) kinda seems more like they're trying to Pokédex the shadows of Plato's cave, if the cave was up their own arse and lined with mirrors. Or baby's read their first book lol