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Ideally you'd want a group for every kind of possible therapy and then people not getting therapy as well, but that isn't really possible. You can't just have a study about people doing mentally better after a surgery that they wanted. It would be like a person being happier that they got a game they wanted, no shit they would be. The only way they'd not be happier was if the game was ass much like if the surgery was ass (and not what they'd thought it would be). You need to see if the surgery (the most permanent and altering therapy option) is actually worth doing vs the other options (thus, the other options are the control group in reference to the surgery group).
"No shit they'd be happier"?

Dude, you realise that the arguments against GRS are predicated on claims that it doesn't make the patients happier, right?

I've exclusively been talking about surgeries for over the past month and this discussion came out of this reply basically.
Yes, and the adults in the room have moved past your effort to create an equivalence between GRS and luxury cosmetic procedures.
 
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I don't know why but I find this very funny. This guy literally recorded every Russian vehicle wreck by the Ukrainian freedom fighters and is an OSINT god.

Edit2: Okay fine I would pardon Snowden, and let him return to the US AFTER he does a trial if I could. He is better than Assange. Happy?
 

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And people get pissy about me dancing to music about Corbyn's future death.
Just so we're on the same page:

I posted it in this thread, because Corbyn is very much part of the "woke" world, and killing Thatcher(in a video game 😉) is indeed very funny.

Also, i dunno about The Independent's lean, but making serious news out of it is funny too.
 

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Just so we're on the same page:

I posted it in this thread, because Corbyn is very much part of the "woke" world, and killing Thatcher(in a video game 😉) is indeed very funny.

Also, i dunno about The Independent's lean, but making serious news out of it is funny too.
I am not a fan of her South Africa policy but I do admire her performance during the Falklands War.
 

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I am not a fan of her South Africa policy but I do admire her performance during the Falklands War.
She went to war because polling indicated she was going to heavily lose the upcoming election. The war provided a poll boost-- as it usually does for incumbents.

She even refused to reinforce the islands in advance when she was warned the invasion was coming.

It was about the election for her.
 

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Police patriotically and peacefully disperse the degernate rioters at the socialist Liberal university when the brain washed anti-national and anti-fascist students protest against Religous Freedom

 
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Me personally, I've had plenty of discussion on giving the Voice to Indigenous Australians. This is in progress in our parliament at the moment. So I dont know specifically where this is going yet. It might ne a representative positon or another house. Much of what I say is around white peeps being worried they are going to steal their land

I also discuss with an Indigenous groups around what they do. Okay, to explain this, you gotta understand that Indigenous Australians are made up of 200 tribes. The didgeridoo is only from one tribe in the far north of Australia. It has been taken as a cultural identity for many Indigenous Australians but not all. That one tribe dislikes that all the other tribes have claimed their culture. This leads to other issues like boomerangs being seen as a hunting tool and so they think 'only males to use/make it.' Which I'm against. My local tribe has this rule but the one on south of us dont care about this boomerang rule

Ive organised art session, corroborees and have used the local symbols for story telling purposes
I was mainly talking about Native Americans, I don't know what the Australian situation is. There's not much you can do here.

That's not a "control group"

That's a survey, and we have lots of those, most of which you don't like
It's not a 100% perfect control group but it is at least giving you a comparison of the effects of different approaches vs just seeing if people are happier after getting a surgery. Of course, people will be happier after getting what they want, question is is that the most helpful thing for them in the long term. There's definite problems with the "survey" study because the people that couldn't get surgeries could be from an income bracket that can't afford them and just having extra money can fix lots of things and make anyone's life more content vs the surgery itself being the cause. You definitely have to have it randomized to eliminate those kind of issues. I forget if they did some kind of randomizing or adjusting to eliminate stuff like that.

"No shir they'd be happier"?

Dude, you realise that the arguments against GRS are predicated on claims that it doesn't make the patients happier, right?



Yes, and the adults in the room have moved past your effort to create an equivalence between GRS and luxury cosmetic procedures.
I don't care what arguments you've seen or not, I'm talking about doing things to actually get down to the fact if surgeries are overall good or not, doing actual science to figure it out. Anything else, I don't care about.

I was talking specifically about something that you disagreed with me on, you don't just get to change our discussion unilaterally and say you're right when you changed what was being discussed. That's literally moving goalposts.


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I guess if your movie about gay people doesn't do well, it's because of homophobia...

 

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I don't care what arguments you've seen or not, I'm talking about doing things to actually get down to the fact if surgeries are overall good or not, doing actual science to figure it out. Anything else, I don't care about.
What on earth is your success criteria for a medical procedure if not the improvement of the quality of life of the patient?
 

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I was mainly talking about Native Americans, I don't know what the Australian situation is. There's not much you can do here.
Well, yes. But Australia has its own past to deal with. Indigenous Australians weren't classed as human til 1967 and there was a White Australia policy until 1973. The government who opened it up was seen as what we call 'woke' now and they found some economic reasons to get Queen Elizabeth to fire him. Our current immigration policy was cited by Trump as inspiration for his wall.

But then, we also had the Conservative government here being the ones wanting to put in quarantines over Covid. Being a conservative here is completely different from the US. One Prime Minister that I absolutely hated (i.e. I think Trump an idiot who gets in over his head and doesn't think before he speaks. So, I don't hate him) was one of the biggest proponents of 'Bridging the Gap' of Indigenous Australians an education and health metrics.... which I can respect. I don't think he succeeded but I do think he tried as best he understood in this area.

I bring this up as that what I see is the result of acknowledgements. It's doing what you can, when you can, as best you can... but its gotta fit in with everything else. But everything else can't drown it out either.

I don't know what the 'fix' is for Native Americans. But I do see it like climate change. Just do a little part and encourage others to join in. You can't fix it all. You CAN do something that you think is important.

And, I agree with you, don't be those performative social media attention seekers who spend 5mins at a Black Live Matter rally to get some photos for Insta and leave. Do or do not, there is no try
 

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White Australia policy until 1973.
Or, you know, 1975 (Racial Discrimination Act 1975)... or 1978 if you really want to get granular and say Fraz's immigration law reforms finally stripped out any (legal) migration bias based on nation of origin.


Our current immigration policy was cited by Trump as inspiration for his wall.
Yeah and our pre-67 Constitution and Immigration policy inspired the South African Nationalists to create Apartheid... oh, and were one of the reasons Japan never joined the League of Nations.
 

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And people get pissy about me dancing to music about Corbyn's future death.
People are pissy because the "music" in question is a fascist meme celebrating the torture and murder of tens of thousands of people.

I don't get your hatred of Corbyn. It's weird, arbitrary and seems to be based on a bunch of random bullshit that is either demonstrably false or speculation, but it doesn't bother me at all. Living in the UK you get used to being involuntarily exposed to weird, incoherent right wing opinions. What bothers me is the pretend-ironic celebration of regime that put live rats in people's bodily orifices.

It's not enough to simply say you're not a fascist so it doesn't count when you do it. If you normalize fascist propaganda, you're giving material support to that agenda, and thus it ceases to functionally matter what you think your politics are.
 
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You have a therapy group and surgery group and see how each group does over at least a few years.
The answer to the "surgery or therapy" question is well and truly decided and has been in clinical practice for years. The answer is both.

But you're also fundamentally misunderstanding the role, scope and purpose of therapy.

One of the most effective and common forms of therapy for trans people is group therapy. Group therapy provides people with a supportive community who can relate to things they're going through in a way a cis therapist can't. For many people, it helps to reduce feelings of isolation and alienation and leads to measurably improved quality of life.

But you weren't thinking of group therapy were you. You were thinking of a situation in which a therapist attempts to convince someone that they're not trans and that any negative feelings they might have about their body are wrong or misguided. Unfortunately, that exists too. It's called conversion therapy. It is not effective, it is demonstrably harmful and in an increasing number of countries it is illegal.

Therapy isn't a coercive technique for manipulating people into being happy with their position in life. Therapy is not about denying that people have real problems or that their feelings are important. Therapy is a conversation with a set of rules and guidelines that make it safer and easier to talk about things which might be difficult to talk about in casual conversation. When it ceases to be that, it becomes useless and harmful, and can easily cross the line into being outright abusive.
 

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Therapy is a conversation with a set of rules and guidelines that make it safer and easier to talk about things which might be difficult to talk about in casual conversation.
At it's most basic, yeah, pretty much. It certainly forms the foundation for on-going treatment even if other types of therapy are required.

As for Conversion Therapy... it's belongs in the bin along with all the other terrible crimes amd abuses that litter the history of psychology.
 
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Hoping there's more of this direction to come, it's a start for now at least.


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden is pardoning thousands of Americans convicted of “simple possession” of marijuana under federal law, as his administration takes a dramatic step toward decriminalizing the drug and addressing charging practices that disproportionately impact people of color.

Biden’s move also covers thousands convicted of the crime in the District of Columbia. He is also calling on governors to issue similar pardons for those convicted of state marijuana offenses, which reflect the vast majority of marijuana possession cases.

Biden, in a statement, said the move reflects his position that “no one should be in jail just for using or possessing marijuana.”

“Too many lives have been upended because of our failed approach to marijuana,” he added. “It’s time that we right these wrongs.”

According to the White House, no one is currently in federal prison solely for “simple possession” of the drug, but the pardon could help thousands overcome obstacles to renting a home or finding a job.


“There are thousands of people who have prior Federal convictions for marijuana possession, who may be denied employment, housing, or educational opportunities as a result,” he said. “My action will help relieve the collateral consequences arising from these convictions.”

Biden is also directing the secretary of Health and Human Services and the U.S. attorney general to review how marijuana is scheduled under federal law. Rescheduling the drug would reduce or potentially eliminate criminal penalties for possession.

But Biden said he believes that as the federal government and many states ease marijuana laws, they should maintain limitations on trafficking, marketing and underage sales.

The move by Biden puts the federal government on par with other big cities like New York that have been moving toward decriminalizing low-level marijuana arrests for years. But there’s a big divide in the nation as some police departments still believe the drug leads to more serious crime and ignoring low-level offenses emboldens criminals.

The move also fulfills one of the top priorities of the Democratic nominee in one of their party’s most critical Senate races, as Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman has repeatedly pressed Biden to take the step.