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We began discussing sexual reassignment approaches more broadly. Sexual reassignment may include surgery but often doesn't.



What's pretty universally recognised in the relevant medical fields is that gender dysphoria exists, and that approaches that help the individual's body to match their gender identity have (by far) the highest success rate, judging by most accepted quality-of-life metrics. That's not seriously disputed.

What you did was take the raft of 4 or 5 studies you were presented with, find limitations in a few of them ("this one doesn't have a control group") and then dismiss it altogether as a "bad study", rather than looking at the breadth of work as you're supposed to.
You initially replied to my post specifically about surgery.

Again, I'm just discussing surgeries, which one of your studies said found no significant differences.


 
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Again, would've been far more amusing (not necessarily effective) if they threw mashed potato at oil execs or such, or better yet, mashed oil execs.

I'm starting to wonder if these groups are secretly funded by oil companies to make climate protest look unreasonable as a kind of nega-astroturfing.
 

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Appeasement...
Hardly: they're not advocating capitulation to Russia's demands, or an end to the military support for Ukraine. They're merely pushing for diplomatic efforts.

And that's entirely right. That's how hostilities end with the least ongoing damage.
 

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Hardly: they're not advocating capitulation to Russia's demands, or an end to the military support for Ukraine. They're merely pushing for diplomatic efforts.

And that's entirely right. That's how hostilities end with the least ongoing damage.
1.They are doing it when Ukraine is winning did they do it when Russia was winning?
2. They likely want Ukraine to give up land that Ukraine owns

“For this reason, we urge you to pair the military and economic support the United States has provided to Ukraine with a proactive diplomatic push, redoubling efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire”.

Either they are naive or fifth column treasonous.
 
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1.They are doing it when Ukraine is winning did they do it when Russia was winning?
Yes, those whose names i recognised have been quite consistent.

2. They likely want Ukraine to give up land that Ukraine owns
They haven't called for that. You're just making baseless assumptions.

“For this reason, we urge you to pair the military and economic support the United States has provided to Ukraine with a proactive diplomatic push, redoubling efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire”.
That quote is a completely reasonable approach.

Look. I live in the UK. If the government hadn't chosen to match its security response with a diplomatic response, we would still be in active conflict with the IRA. Diplomacy works at ending conflicts.
 

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Yes, those whose names i recognised have been quite consistent.



They haven't called for that. You're just making baseless assumptions.



That quote is a completely reasonable approach.

Look. I live in the UK. If the government hadn't chosen to match its security response with a diplomatic response, we would still be in active conflict with the IRA. Diplomacy works at ending conflicts.
The IRA are a terror group,Russia is a nationstate with a struggling young man demographic problem. It’s NATO duty to crush them and finish the job from the Cold War so they may either be a democracy or never oppress Eastern Europe again.
 
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The IRA are a terror group,Russia is a nationstate with a struggling young man demographic problem. It’s NATO duty to crush them and finish the job from the Cold War so they may either be a democracy or never oppress Eastern Europe again.
So you just want escalation into an invasion of Russia and (presumably) regime change, then.

Over the last several decades, efforts to force regime change through invasion have had an absolutely ruinous effect on global stability, security, and peace, not to mention an incredible toll of human suffering. It hasn't solved the issues it aims to solve: it's created countless new festering resentments, and prolonged conflicts that could have been ended or phased down.

And if you believe that any efforts to resolve conflicts without resorting to invasion and coercion are "naive or fifth-column treasonous", you're a clown. Diplomacy-- not capitulation, but true diplomacy-- offers the single most reliable route to resolving conflict.
 

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So you just want escalation into an invasion of Russia and (presumably) regime change, then.

Over the last several decades, efforts to force regime change through invasion have had an absolutely ruinous effect on global stability, security, and peace, not to mention an incredible toll of human suffering. It hasn't solved the issues it aims to solve: it's created countless new festering resentments, and prolonged conflicts that could have been ended or phased down.

And if you believe that any efforts to resolve conflicts without resorting to invasion and coercion are "naive or fifth-column treasonous", you're a clown. Diplomacy-- not capitulation, but true diplomacy-- offers the single most reliable route to resolving conflict.
You have a 3rd grader's understanding of diplomacy. You are supposed to use diplomacy if the cost-benefit analysis merits it. If you use it to sue for peace when YOUR WINNING you will get taken advantage of by bad actors in international relations. That's how iterative games work, you show weakness a couple of times, and people view you as weak.

Second I could care less if Russians are angry/resentful that their empire of oppressing half of Europe is gone. They can pound snow for all I care.

The only way this war ends is with Crimea, and Russian-occupied territory going back to Ukraine. So let the caskets of dead Russian soldiers flow back to Russia to their grieving mothers until Putin stops trying to relive the 1980s.
 
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So you just want escalation into an invasion of Russia and (presumably) regime change, then.

Over the last several decades, efforts to force regime change through invasion have had an absolutely ruinous effect on global stability, security, and peace, not to mention an incredible toll of human suffering. It hasn't solved the issues it aims to solve: it's created countless new festering resentments, and prolonged conflicts that could have been ended or phased down.

And if you believe that any efforts to resolve conflicts without resorting to invasion and coercion are "naive or fifth-column treasonous", you're a clown. Diplomacy-- not capitulation, but true diplomacy-- offers the single most reliable route to resolving conflict.
He's a warchicken. If you read his posts about the place, he has a hard on for military scenarios and is constantly hoping for the US to slap fight someone in an 'all in' manner. He essentially believes the hype that the US is an unstoppable juggernaut and any real global military escalation will just be a nice quick job with a happy ending.
 
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He's a warchicken. If you read his posts about the place, he has a hard on for military scenarios and is constantly hoping for the US to slap fight someone in an 'all in' manner. He essentially believes the hype that the US is an unstoppable juggernaut and any real global military escalation will just be a nice quick job with a happy ending.
Only Russia, China, and Iran.

and I don’t believe the US is unstoppable, I believe US logistics is.
 

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He's a warchicken. If you read his posts about the place, he has a hard on for military scenarios and is constantly hoping for the US to slap fight someone in an 'all in' manner. He essentially believes the hype that the US is an unstoppable juggernaut and any real global military escalation will just be a nice quick job with a happy ending.
"They'll welcome us as liberators", "the war will pay for itself", etc. etc. etc.