Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[XsjadoBlayde]

As lifelong horror/despair film fan, is befuddling to see ppl so confidently state their belief in their taste of media is everyone else's taste too. Horror just wouldn't exist at all if this narrow, exclusionary, borderline-autistic (non-perjorative term, not RW stale meme term) definition of escapism applied consistently across the human spectrum of experience. Yet it is one of the most dependable genres for making money in the entertainment industries. Thats not even going into the ignorance of media literacy required to maintain such a tunnel-vision perspective.

Regardless - hot take or not, if you can restart, pause or leave the media anytime you want...it will always be escapism. For life sure as shit ain't so merciful when it all goes tits up.

 

[thebobmaster]

Because at least in that escapist world they can be the hero, or someone who makes a difference.

Put it this way: imagine you are Vladimir Putin. Why have your country into a war-ridden, economically stagnant, miserable dump when you could instead trade and work with your neighbours, build schools, encourage modern industry, increase human development, and turn it into a well-developed, richer and happier one? Because the latter would almost certainly involve giving up your job as dictator. Some people would get more of a buzz as slum lord than as a mediocrity with comfortable, middle class job.

Nor does someone playing the escapist fiction have to put up with a lot of the stuff that a real world would have: they don't have to really experience swords in the guts, cut ligaments, dysentary, tetanus, lice, ticks, ill-fitting clothing, boots with holes in, hunger, thin gruel and stale bread, exhaustion, maiming and death etc. It's all just numbers on a screen and imagination, with a sense of satisfaction at the end that they achieved tasks and won.

That is a fair point. I was thinking of "escapism" in too narrow of a term. Basically, rather than thinking in terms of just putting reality on hold for a little bit and getting lost in a story or setting, I was thinking of it as "I want to be there rather than here". Which is not really what escapism is, so that was on me.

 

[Casual Shinji]

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Yeah, because everyone was looking forward to the umpteenth Assassin's Creed after the franchise had lost nearly all its credibility, some random Bat family game, and a live-service game that's been 8 years in development from a studio previously lauded for their singleplayer output. It wasn't until Sweet Baby Inc. got involved that these games became bad obviously.

Dude, this is getting excruciatingly sad.

Final Fantasy 7 isn’t cringe? Do you play that game with the dialogue muted and subtitles turned off? It’s nothing but hamtastic cringe. It doesn’t suffer for it, but don’t fuckin’ sit there and act like it’s dialogue is some kind of masterwork.

"Yeah... you owe me a pizza."

 

[Gergar12]

Ah yes, I remember on TikTok when almost every woman on there randomly blamed Incels for some guy punching a woman for no fucking reason, but it then turns out it was an extroverted African American wannabe politico who had run for the freedom party with a large rap sheet. News flash generally introverted incels are loners in the suburbs of some city that won't go into the city, haven't run for office, and don't have the self-confidence to annoy random strangers in a large city unless you were counting that one guy who insulted women then pepper spray them back when they started swinging back at him.

In reality, the reason Americans hate incels is for multiple reasons. One they are mostly white or Asian so it's not racist since those people are white adjacent or are white. Two they are often males who dominate power positions in society even though if you have power and or are married you are not an incel, incles are people with little power and no girlfriends and are often NEETs(Not in education employment, or training). Two is because a minority of them commit mass shooters when in reality you're more likely to be shot by someone you know like a spouse.

And no I refuse to conflate incels with misogynists. No, the South Korean president doesn't count he's just a conservative misogynist. Incels cannot just be anyone liberal women don't like in which case 50% of the US population votes Republican so they are all incels?

And before you call me an incel, I have two bachelor's degrees, an associate's, and a possible master's in a year, and I have been employed and I have a part-time remote white collar job.

 

[Terminal Blue]

And before you call me an incel, I have two bachelor's degrees, an associate's, and a possible master's in a year, and I have been employed and I have a part-time remote white collar job.

Why would that matter?

Incels are an online community. Participating in that online community and buying into its conventions makes you an incel. There are certainly people who are drawn to incel communities because of genuine feelings of isolation or alienation, but a far bigger contributor is actually having a very distorted view of sex and relationships. Incels tend to be involved or formerly involved in red pill or PUA communities, they tend to see the world as divided between a small number of desirable people and a large number of ordinary people. Often , they aren't interested in getting a girlfriend because they simply do not place any value on most women outside of a small minority whom they consider desirable. They tend to be very average guys who are mad that they can't live the kinds of exaggerated fantasy sex lives they believe "alphas" possess.

 

[Gergar12]

Why would that matter?

Incels are an online community. Participating in that online community and buying into its conventions makes you an incel. There are certainly people who are drawn to incel communities because of genuine feelings of isolation or alienation, but a far bigger contributor is actually having a very distorted view of sex and relationships. Incels tend to be involved or formerly involved in red pill or PUA communities, they tend to see the world as divided between a small number of desirable people and a large number of ordinary people. Often , they aren't interested in getting a girlfriend because they simply do not place any value on most women outside of a small minority whom they consider desirable. They tend to be very average guys who are mad that they can't live the kinds of exaggerated fantasy sex lives they believe "alphas" possess.

No, they are what women called anyone who doesn't agree with feminism, and or liberalism.

They tend to see the world as divided between a small number of desirable people and a large number of ordinary people
-That sounds a lot like the 1% vs the 99%.

Participating in that online community and buying into its conventions makes you an incel.
-I guess all Redditor, Youtubers, and Tik Tokers are incels because those are the only places I go to as social media.




" A member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active. "

I don't care if you have sex, I want a higher birthrate for economic reasons. I don't consider myself unable to attract women just would rather my child not grow up in climate hell, and I don't want to give up half my stuff in case of separation.

 

[Elijin]

The gap between lonely/single/virgin dudes and incels is fucking huge. I am unsurprised to see you going to bat for them as if they're some innocent, unfairly maligned group.

 

[Casual Shinji]

And before you call me an incel, I have two bachelor's degrees, an associate's, and a possible master's in a year, and I have been employed and I have a part-time remote white collar job.

Well this doesn't come across as 'doth protest too much' at all. Nope. Especially not after those posts complaining about women looking more real in games and Sweet Baby Inc.

 

[Ag3ma]

No, they are what women called anyone who doesn't agree with feminism, and or liberalism.

Do you also think that every time someone is called a "moron" it means that person really is of deeply below average intelligence?

 

[Thaluikhain]

The gap between lonely/single/virgin dudes and incels is fucking huge.

This.

I am unsurprised to see you going to bat for them as if they're some innocent, unfairly maligned group.

And also this.

 

[Terminal Blue]

-That sounds a lot like the 1% vs the 99%.

The number they'll usually give is around 30/70.

It is an offshoot of the whole red pill ideology where the world is divided into alphas and betas. Like most of the red pill spectrum, incels generally believe that women only experience sexual desire towards a small minority of men and only engage in sex or relationships with men outside of this group in order to exploit them financially and emotionally. Thus, equitable relationships with women are impossible. Incels are not necessarily virgins, some incels are even quite conventionally attractive and have certainly gotten attention from women, but they do not value these experiences or pursue them. Conversely, they often fetishize relationships with people who can be exploited or controlled, such as underage girls.

Essentially, incels and the red pill ideology in general are attractive to people who buy into a fantasy of having power over women. They believe that some men actually have this power, that the kinds of weird maledom fantasy scenarios which are sold to men through porn and other media are actually real representations of the lives of a small minority of attractive men. While they do often have genuine problems, the fundamental problem is that they consistently compare their own lives to the fantasy lives they believe other men are living. So yeah, I guess it is like the 1% thing in that it's the politics of jealousy and grievance, but the 1% actually exist. "Alphas" don't.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Funny how in the "blue zones" where it's common for people to live to over 90 and 100, those people don't follow the official guidelines and eat basically what I've said to eat.

So in short, you don't have any. I just wish you'd been honest to begin with, rather than telling us you could easily provide them and then failing to do so for 20+ posts.

I got you to discuss the mechanisms first, then you changed the discussion to something else (that I don't care about). And that's because you can't tell me how one gets diabetes without insulin resistance.

 

[Silvanus]

I got you to discuss the mechanisms first, then you changed the discussion to something else (that I don't care about).

No. You made a specific claim that went way beyond any demonstrated mechanics.

I showed you 6 expert sources directly contradicting that claim. You then said you could easily provide just as many sources supporting it.

Then you failed to provide a single one after being asked 20+ times.

 

[Trunkage]

No. You made a specific claim that went way beyond any demonstrated mechanics.

I showed you 6 expert sources directly contradicting that claim. You then said you could easily provide just as many sources supporting it.

Then you failed to provide a single one after being asked 20+ times.

But the TED talk tho.....

 

[Trunkage]

No, they are what women called anyone who doesn't agree with feminism, and or liberalism.

They tend to see the world as divided between a small number of desirable people and a large number of ordinary people
-That sounds a lot like the 1% vs the 99%.

Participating in that online community and buying into its conventions makes you an incel.
-I guess all Redditor, Youtubers, and Tik Tokers are incels because those are the only places I go to as social media.


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" A member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active. "

I don't care if you have sex, I want a higher birthrate for economic reasons. I don't consider myself unable to attract women just would rather my child not grow up in climate hell, and I don't want to give up half my stuff in case of separation.

Wait... do you think conservative women like Incels?

 

[Gordon_4]

Wait... do you think conservative women like Incels?

I figure Incels are to the Right Wing of US politics as Vegans are to….what passes for the Left Wing of US politics.

 

[Trunkage]

I figure Incels are to the Right Wing of US politics as Vegans are to….what passes for the Left Wing of US politics.

Incels are about taking the made up hierarchy of the Right Wing and turning it up to 15.

Vegans think that animals have souls but plants don't. I don't know if that really maps onto US Left Wing, especially considering the abortion debate

 

[Ag3ma]

I figure Incels are to the Right Wing of US politics as Vegans are to….what passes for the Left Wing of US politics.

I'm not sure incels are necessarily right wing, although I don't doubt they have a substantial amount of right-leaning ideology. A lot of people operate in a political space that may be relatively hard to classify; typically for instance they could be quite economically left-leaning but socially very conservative/reactionary, and some are just broadly apolitical.

 

[Gordon_4]

Incels are about taking the made up hierarchy of the Right Wing and turning it up to 15.

Vegans think that animals have souls but plants don't. I don't know if that really maps onto US Left Wing, especially considering the abortion debate

I'm not sure incels are necessarily right wing, although I don't doubt they have a substantial amount of right-leaning ideology. A lot of people operate in a political space that may be relatively hard to classify; typically for instance they could be quite economically left-leaning but socially very conservative/reactionary, and some are just broadly apolitical.

A pair of fair points.

 

[Silvanus]

Vegans think that animals have souls but plants don't.

Not necessarily. Its a diet, and not even a particularly fringe one anymore. It has nothing to do with souls, and can be motivated by personal morals or health.