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Nightshard

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They cease to become traits of survivability and become mere traits of vanity, in which case it'd be interesting to see if the traits even persist for several generations without ecological stress to put them to use. Vestigial traits are common between species for a reason.
Also, I wouldn't care about looking like Guame if it meant surviving the impact of a giga drill breaker just by curling into a ball. I think he's kind of cute, actually, in an angry plush animal sort of way.
 

theheroofaction

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First i thought, what about the socioeconomic difficulties then i thought, screw that, I get to be a lizardman.

So yeah, i would use it if the opportunity arose.
 

Spade Lead

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EVERYONE STOP! We are forgetting that when we were kids there was one cartoon that dealt with this very subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGQyMF5a_0

If I could be the Great White, I TOTALLY change my opinion on this!
 

Adzma

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Furries are bad enough on the internet. I'd keep my regular human abilities and brains thank you.
 

Biosophilogical

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I'd be tempted to become wolf-man.
1. Wolves are awesome.
2. Increased strength, endurance, senses.
3. Canines (teeth) look awesome.
4. A wolf-tail? Hell yeah!
5. If I had to have an animal's ears, I'd choose wolf-ears.
 

Sarpedon

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Harkwell said:
Obviously the person who uses it is going to face a lot of social problems, discrimination prominently. Honestly, I'd do it. Discrimination be damned I'd probably be smarter than all my co-workers, score one promotion for me.
Unless your boss is discriminatory.

OT: Yeah, I'd probably do it, provided that social problems, supah powahs, and furry-dom are the only side effects.
 

hex000

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I would definitely consider doing this , there would have to be a few provisos. First, though

1)it's medically sound i.e. it's not going to kill me

2)I want to be able to still talk

3) walking on two legs is pretty important too I guess

But if those are not a problem then I would be first in line. The idea of not only improving my looks, but also my intelligence is too good to pass up.

In the comments I've noticed a lot of people talking about rapture, the X-Men that would be one of the reasons why I'd want to do this because considering my dim view of humanity I can envisage this starting all kinds of new problems in society so I'd want to be prepared and as I've always said there is no better way to be prepared than playing with my genetics, like a cat with a ball of yarn But then again, maybe I'm wrong and all the quest for world peace is been missing all these years is the addition of tails.

and yes, the porn would be amazing
 

Vidi Kitty

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hex000 said:
I would definitely consider doing this , there would have to be a few provisos. First, though

1)it's medically sound i.e. it's not going to kill me

2)I want to be able to still talk

3) walking on two legs is pretty important too I guess

But if those are not a problem then I would be first in line. The idea of not only improving my looks, but also my intelligence is too good to pass up.

In the comments I've noticed a lot of people talking about rapture, the X-Men that would be one of the reasons why I'd want to do this because considering my dim view of humanity I can envisage this starting all kinds of new problems in society so I'd want to be prepared and as I've always said there is no better way to be prepared than playing with my genetics, like a cat with a ball of yarn But then again, maybe I'm wrong and all the quest for world peace is been missing all these years is the addition of tails.

and yes, the porn would be amazing
Can't forget the essentials.
 

KimonoBoxFox

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Nightshard said:
They cease to become traits of survivability and become mere traits of vanity, in which case it'd be interesting to see if the traits even persist for several generations without ecological stress to put them to use. Vestigial traits are common between species for a reason.
Would they need to persist for several generations? I was kind of under the impression that such a change would be simply for individual benefit, not to create the second man.

Novelty isn't always 'useless'. Practical? Probably not. Useful? Fun? Definitely. Does every decision have to be some make or break "let's better the human race" sort of thing? Those usually fall through because no one person's situation matches the next anyway.

So yeah, maybe a decision like this is inherently personal and 'frivolous'. But wouldn't it be a dull world without the occasional frivolity? I kind of think that's why furries exist to begin with.
 

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LostCrusader said:
Perhaps we could live in some kind of city at the bottom of the sea. Maybe continue our works in science for the betterment of mankind away from those pesky morals...
yes and we could call it....Atlantis....or better yet....RAPTURE
 

bluebomber138

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Um... Yes. Tiger Blood, Claws, Enhanced Strength, speed, hearing, olfactory, nightvision, and a tail? Plus no getting cold in the winter? Where do i sign up?
 

KimonoBoxFox

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AgDr_ODST said:
LostCrusader said:
Perhaps we could live in some kind of city at the bottom of the sea. Maybe continue our works in science for the betterment of mankind away from those pesky morals...
yes and we could call it....Atlantis....or better yet....RAPTURE
Pfft, Rapture is so square, Daddio! Haven't you heard, COLUMBIA is the new big thing!
 

Agayek

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I'd almost certainly do it, assuming I like the animal used/the final look. I don't really give a shit if people are prejudiced against me, so I'd go for it. The only question I have is what animal I would use and what it would look like.

I'd probably try to go with a gorilla but I'm not sure I'd notice the change, so I'd default to wolf.
 

Therumancer

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Therumancer said:
Honestly? I'd ban it entirely.

It has nothing to do with furries, but the bottom line is that if your seeing this product released on the market it pretty much guarantees those who can afford it are going to have a substantial advantage over those who don't. In reality this would wind up being something The Rich would keep for themselves.

See, I'm a capitalist, but not someone that supports a race of ubermensh ruling over everyone else

I think you kind of misunderstand how that would turn out.

Simply put it's something that would either have to be used on everyone, probably en-masse to prevent any thought or give any kind of goverment or interest group from getting control of it, destroyed, or locked away until enough time had passed to find some way of dealing with it fairly.

To me the appearance is more or less irrelevent, and the end result is actually going to be those who use it will wind up ruling over those that don't. Discrimination isn't going to be a factor in exactly the way you think.
As the world is today, the ruling elite don't share much in common other than the amount of money they have. Yes, such enhancements would most likely be possessed solely by the wealthy, but in all honesty (having ruled enhanced intelligence out as there are no animals with intellect proven to be on par with humans, let alone to be above that of humans) what would a wealthy person do with speed, strength, endurance, keen reflexes or a superb sense of balance? The rule of law still exists, and will continue to exist after such an invention comes about. Perhaps an increase in crime rates might occur, but as far as legitimate rule goes not much would change. There are a lot of safeguards in place to protect the weak from the strong in the legal system.

If we were to go along with the assumption that this treatment could enhance intelligence, the most someone who wanted to rule the world would be able to do would be to build a better lawyer. The rule of law is something not even extraordinary intellect can easily destroy.

Actually it is. There has been plenty of speculative fiction on this subject without the whole furry aspect of it. The wealthy by having their money also control the rule of law, because they buy the politicials and influance what laws get passed and how they are enforced. What's the first reason that comes to mind when it comes to getting justice from a wealthy corperation nowadays? You can't do it, because you can't afford the lawyers, and even if you could the best ones already work for them. In the US this is a big problem, but it just gets worse in other countries. When you start giving the rich super powers do, they become an actual superior form of life, and that's going to make things even harder to deal with. In the US for example, whether anyone want to accept it or not, the highly capitalistic nature of our society is kept in line by an armed populance, there is a limit to how far the goverment and wealthy can actually push, especially since they are vastly outnumbered. I'm not going to get into a full treatise about that, the military, and other things, but the basic point is that if the rich become super powerful as well as in control of the majority of wealth, there is no longer anything holding them back. Sure, nothing in this analysis makes them bulletproof (well unless they have consumed Armadillo formula or something) but the point is that they are each the general equivilent of Captain America, or Spider Man, potentially an army unto themselves.

It's just like any scenario with genetic supermen being developed, the prognosis for us poor plebes becomes increasingly bleak. Indeed the whole back story to Kahn in Star Trek is pretty much about this, they created a race of genetic supermen, and there was a huge war that was barely won against them, Kahn being a survivor from that era. We also see this kind of thing in series like Gundam with Newtypes against regular humans, and so on. This doesn't go anywhere pleasant, and truthfully a lot of the fiction like Gundam tends to forget about the whole supermen thing except in the backstory half the time.

In the end we'll probably have to agree to disagree, on the specifics, but I've given my answer. If it was up to me, I'd ensure either everyone gets it, or nobody gets it. Given the obvious benefits I'd probably be all for trying to turn it into an Aeosol and releasing it into the atmosphere, since announcing I had it would cause all kinds of problems and ultimatly lead to the whole supermen thing as the rich and powerful took control. Failing the abillity to do that, I'd destroy it. Not being a luddite I'm not going to wreck perfectly good technology without a good reason, but I do believe something like this has to be an all or nothing situation.

In a literal sense if someone said, "here, drink this and it will give you super powers" and I knew it to be true (as oppose to you know, some random guy doing it in real life) I'd probably go for it, as there doesn't seem to be too much of a downside other than some mild cosmetic changes. Besides, if it ever comes down to a conflict, the guys who use the stuff are probably going to be the winners, despite the fact that most science fiction winds up being written by romantics who have it go the other way. All told though, this is not where such a development wound wind up going.
 

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Spade Lead said:
EVERYONE STOP! We are forgetting that when we were kids there was one cartoon that dealt with this very subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqGQyMF5a_0

If I could be the Great White, I TOTALLY change my opinion on this!
Oh man, I had totally forgotten all about that cartoon.

Nostalgia blast hit me hard.
 

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It depends on what animals I can chose from. If they had snake...then yes, yes I would.
 

Nightshard

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KimonoBoxFox said:
Would they need to persist for several generations? I was kind of under the impression that such a change would be simply for individual benefit, not to create the second man.

Novelty isn't always 'useless'. Practical? Probably not. Useful? Fun? Definitely. Does every decision have to be some make or break "let's better the human race" sort of thing? Those usually fall through because no one person's situation matches the next anyway.

So yeah, maybe a decision like this is inherently personal and 'frivolous'. But wouldn't it be a dull world without the occasional frivolity? I kind of think that's why furries exist to begin with.
Oh, I don't disagree with this at all. Of course there can be frivolous traits added in this sort of sense. I'm just thinking for the overall future, since once everyone starts messing with their DNA, what will it do to future generations?
As to why furries exist to begin with, I blame Disney and the old cartoon trends of sticking animal parts on idealized masculine or feminine bodies.
 

NoeL

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I doubt the discrimination would be any worse than people that choose to dress differently.

I would not take the serum. I need my human features to do practical things, like talk, or play Guitar Hero. I don't want to be fumbling around with giant paws and cursing my not-fit-for-human-language mouth.

Also, for people saying human evolution has halted, that's not true. Just because the environment has less of a direct effect doesn't mean we're not evolving. Assuming we don't go extinct we'll likely interbreed into a single race, and as is always the case whoever's making the most babies will have the greatest impact on the direction the species goes. We're currently evolving immunities to diseases that affect pre-pubescents, as the ones effected aren't able to pass on their genes.

Some have argued that the species will get somewhat dumber now that our academics are putting off having children longer and longer, and often altogether, while the lower class keeps pumpin' 'em out at a steady rate. I don't think this is anything to worry about, but it's a plausible reality.

Speculating even further, if/when we find the cure for aging the ones that can afford the fountain of youth will likely produce far fewer children, and may even eventually diverge as a separate species if the "breeders" continue to change up the gene pool away from the "long-lifers" (assuming something prevents it from becoming affordable technology, which is incredibly unlikely).

The reason it seems as if evolution has halted is because it takes a long time. We've only had decent tools and agriculture for the last 10,000 years or so, but we've looked more or less the same for the last 200,000 years. We'll continue to inherit the traits of whoever's breeding, and continue to evolve, we just won't notice anything in out lifetime.