Furry Morality Question

[KhakiHat]

This is falling apart VERY FAST. Its barely an hour and were at page 6 with squibblings about racism and 'i are not a troll/furry/pervert'. Honestly, why was this topic started.

*stabs self with Dolphin enhancement needle.*

Ohh yeahh baby, that's the stuff.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

I don't know. But I am sure you have the answer and lecture for me, so let's hear it!

Answer: You sorta just flipped a ***** in a busy intersection...

Lecture: Yes.


May have gotten those backwards...

 

[TheSuperiorXemnas]

Ill Take it even if the serum didn't increase my abilities, physically or mentally. All though, its all covered in Fur or nothing.

 

[Ara69]

Anything that will boost the intelligence of the general public is worth it, no matter the cost.

 

[KimonoBoxFox]

"My Daddy is smarter than Einstein! Stronger than Hercules! And lights a fire with the 'snap' of his finger! Are you better than my Daddy, mister? Not if you don't visit the Gatherer's Garden, you're not! Smart Daddies get spliced at the Garden!"

Let's just hope it doesn't become as pedantic as that, or I'll get bored with my splicer powers really fast. Especially that one power that lets me redirect the security system. MAN that one was pointless. ^^;

 

[KhakiHat]

Also Captcha is referent vingen. Sounds like a game title to me :U

Strange, I remember writing that down in my senior debate notes a year ago.

So if I were to take... say Hamlet and write in that he had a tail and ears and so did everyone else to varying degrees... It would still be Hamlet?

Yes. It would be Lion King.

 

[JoshuaMadoc]

Anything that will boost the intelligence of the general public is worth it, no matter the cost.

Leaving the wisdom part out would just make idiots into Vulcan idiots. The situation wouldn't change much beyond a fight between idiots turning into a verbal slapfest between wannabe politicians. :/

 

[jamescorck]

Well this seems an interesting topic alright!

Taking all that into account, I think I won't do it, but not for the reasons you imagine. I am a furry myself. A very big, comunity-involved, story writing, artist-in-progress furry, so turning into one would be a valid prospect for me.

But still, I won't take that serum. I don't want to become super intelligent within a second, what's the point? It's not worth it if you can contain all the intelligence the human brain can develope within one syringe. I'd rather take my time and develope my intelligence myself, without using that serum.

Now if what the serum does is just turning you into a furry, I'd take it. Just strip the whole "Make you smart" part.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

So if I were to take... say Hamlet and write in that he had a tail and ears and so did everyone else to varying degrees... It would still be Hamlet?

That's probably a bad example because yeah it would be. The main thing in a play is the actions, and just changing a few minor features isn't going to alter that. However one could argue with that example that changing them to furry-ish creatures doesn't change the characters at all, which is more on the actual original topic.

Also Captcha is referent vingen. Sounds like a game title to me :U

Exactly my point. People are defined by their actions, not by their features. In the event that mass genetic experimentation and mutations become the norm, people will still act as they will.

People who take the magic pill/shot/gene bath won't change their personal opinions or morals because of it. People will go on with their lives, people will spout love and hate, and life will go on.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I don't know. But I am sure you have the answer and lecture for me, so let's hear it!

Answer: You sorta just flipped a ***** in a busy intersection...

Lecture: Yes.


May have gotten those backwards...

I will concede one thing: not all art of anthromorphic animals is perverse.
I just see it so applied.
I enjoy anthromorpic characters as a normal person does. Chewbacca is just a cool character. Not an idol of sexual affection.

I have seen enough to form my own opinions. And I think the furry community could do better by opening discourse rather than claim racism or other silly things. If my view is that furries are thin-skinned perverts, who will defend their fetish to the last drop of blood, this sort of thing won't change my mind.

 

[CptJackRabbit]

Le snip

Thank you. You have had the most adult reaction of anyone to anything I have ever said.

Not sure what you snipped, but your welcome. I am not tolerant of sheer ignorance, either side of the fence. Many furs get persecuted seriously for no reason other than being furs, and some because they want fox on dragon loving. On the flip side, some people do not like furs, but understand its a choice or lifestyle, and leave it at that. There have been many a time when I wanted to find a fur arguing and ***** smack them, and say "You know, you aren't really helping our case."

 

[conflictofinterests]

Honestly? I'd ban it entirely.

It has nothing to do with furries, but the bottom line is that if your seeing this product released on the market it pretty much guarantees those who can afford it are going to have a substantial advantage over those who don't. In reality this would wind up being something The Rich would keep for themselves.

See, I'm a capitalist, but not someone that supports a race of ubermensh ruling over everyone else

I think you kind of misunderstand how that would turn out.

Simply put it's something that would either have to be used on everyone, probably en-masse to prevent any thought or give any kind of goverment or interest group from getting control of it, destroyed, or locked away until enough time had passed to find some way of dealing with it fairly.

To me the appearance is more or less irrelevent, and the end result is actually going to be those who use it will wind up ruling over those that don't. Discrimination isn't going to be a factor in exactly the way you think.

As the world is today, the ruling elite don't share much in common other than the amount of money they have. Yes, such enhancements would most likely be possessed solely by the wealthy, but in all honesty (having ruled enhanced intelligence out as there are no animals with intellect proven to be on par with humans, let alone to be above that of humans) what would a wealthy person do with speed, strength, endurance, keen reflexes or a superb sense of balance? The rule of law still exists, and will continue to exist after such an invention comes about. Perhaps an increase in crime rates might occur, but as far as legitimate rule goes not much would change. There are a lot of safeguards in place to protect the weak from the strong in the legal system.

If we were to go along with the assumption that this treatment could enhance intelligence, the most someone who wanted to rule the world would be able to do would be to build a better lawyer. The rule of law is something not even extraordinary intellect can easily destroy.

 

[JoshuaMadoc]

People are defined by their actions, not by their features. In the event that mass genetic experimentation and mutations become the norm, people will still act as they will.

People who take the magic pill/shot/gene bath won't change their personal opinions or morals because of it. People will go on with their lives, people will spout love and hate, and life will go on.

If we're going to get really technical, some people would be stupid enough to convince themselves that they somehow have to act psycho because of radical changes. I forget what the word is, but the chances of that happening actually aren't too far off if on a case-by-case basis.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

"My Daddy is smarter than Einstein! Stronger than Hercules! And lights a fire with the 'snap' of his finger! Are you better than my Daddy, mister? Not if you don't visit the Gatherer's Garden, you're not! Smart Daddies get spliced at the Garden!"

Let's just hope it doesn't become as pedantic as that, or I'll get bored with my splicer powers really fast. Especially that one power that lets me redirect the security system. MAN that one was pointless. ^^;

HA just don't get too spliced up.

Yes. It would be Lion King.

You win everything forever.

 

[CptJackRabbit]

I have seen enough to form my own opinions. And I think the furry community could do better by opening discourse rather than claim racism or other silly things.

Agreed, but would we most likely get the same in return? Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Le snip

Thank you. You have had the most adult reaction of anyone to anything I have ever said.

Not sure what you snipped, but your welcome. I am not tolerant of sheer ignorance, either side of the fence. Many furs get persecuted seriously for no reason other than being furs, and some because they want fox on dragon loving. On the flip side, some people do not like furs, but understand its a choice or lifestyle, and leave it at that. There have been many a time when I wanted to find a fur arguing and ***** smack them, and say "You know, you aren't really helping our case."

I was refering to the fact that you were saying that I was an "informed hater". I am that. I hate a lot of things.

You seem to be one of the few who wants to hold others to account, and for that I applaud you.

I have seen enough to form my own opinions. And I think the furry community could do better by opening discourse rather than claim racism or other silly things.

Agreed, but would we most likely get the same in return? Somehow, I doubt it.

I think you would. There are some who hate just to hate.
But there are those like me who have a legitimate grevence with the whole "furry" thing. Talking about it civialy will get better results than "OMG Fursicution!11"

However, when I see stupid like this

Why should I take it and insult one of gods(or natures depending on your belief) creations?

Well if you believe in god, then god gave us the ability to do this, so how could it be wrong?

I must respond.



Right. If we can do it, it cannot be wrong.

You know what god also gave me the ability to do? Hate furries.
So how can it be wrong.

 

[KimonoBoxFox]

"My Daddy is smarter than Einstein! Stronger than Hercules! And lights a fire with the 'snap' of his finger! Are you better than my Daddy, mister? Not if you don't visit the Gatherer's Garden, you're not! Smart Daddies get spliced at the Garden!"

Let's just hope it doesn't become as pedantic as that, or I'll get bored with my splicer powers really fast. Especially that one power that lets me redirect the security system. MAN that one was pointless. ^^;

HA just don't get too spliced up.

A Smart Splicer is a Happy Splicer! ;D

 

[SodaDew]

Why should I take it and insult one of gods(or natures depending on your belief) creations?

Well if you believe in god, then god gave us the ability to do this, so how could it be wrong?

hmm good point, I guess if a bunch of people i knew did it I probably would too, but if I was the only one I wouldn't. I'm also somewhat freaked out by furry art too... It would be a VERY hard choice after putting all this together xD

 

[Madara XIII]

On my way home today I had thought pop into my head. It has to do with furries but its not nessesarily restricted to them. Here goes.

Alright so a research company comes up with a serum and releases it this year. The company itself is not important, the serum itself is not important. If you have to ask, the company made the serum for the betterment of humanity.

What the serum does is improve your mental and physical prowess above that of a normal human. However, we're being realistic here. Your not Captian America, but the average serum user is equal in brains to a smart human. A genius user will always be smarter than a genius non-user. If you have never been able to lift a car, well now you can alibet only a foot or two. You can work longer, harder, faster, better, and stronger.

However, the serum does this by combining animal traits with human traits producing animal-human hybrids, the aforemention furry part. Using the serum turns you into a furry (assuming there are multiple types of serums for people who want a specific hybrid, one for a fox-human, wolf-human, etc...)

Obviously the person who uses it is going to face a lot of social problems, discrimination prominently. Honestly, I'd do it. Discrimination be damned I'd probably be smarter than all my co-workers, score one promotion for me.

Dude! I could be a real-life version of Reptile from Mortal Kombat! Hell yes!!!
Hmmm maybe if they had the DNA from a Raptor then I'd definitely go for it.

 

[conflictofinterests]

So if I were to take... say Hamlet and write in that he had a tail and ears and so did everyone else to varying degrees... It would still be Hamlet?

That's probably a bad example because yeah it would be. The main thing in a play is the actions, and just changing a few minor features isn't going to alter that. However one could argue with that example that changing them to furry-ish creatures doesn't change the characters at all, which is more on the actual original topic.

Also Captcha is referent vingen. Sounds like a game title to me :U

Exactly my point. People are defined by their actions, not by their features. In the event that mass genetic experimentation and mutations become the norm, people will still act as they will.

People who take the magic pill/shot/gene bath won't change their personal opinions or morals because of it. People will go on with their lives, people will spout love and hate, and life will go on.

People are also defined by their features, insomuch as their features dictate how the world treats them. Something as simple as gender is enforced AT BIRTH with different colored knit caps, and reinforced throughout one's lifetime by what toys one gets, what clothes, what colors, what TV shows... A person (and their features) does not exist in a vacuum; they are a product of both their genetics and their culture. A believable character reflects this. So, while if Hamlet were a talking lion in a world full of talking lions, he would remain about as believable, but if Hamlet were a talking lion in a world where there were regular humans he would loose a huge amount of credibility.