But it's so adorable to watch people pretend it didn't happen even after that was admitted by apple.Satsuki666 said:
Gabe Newell: Apple Could "Redefine" Consoles
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I don't believe it.
The big difference between Apple and M$, is that M$ have alot money to throw around and an interest in keeping on a directXbox that has alot in common with the PC.
The first xbox was a learning proces and the 360 has only recently become profitable, but M$ can easily afford years upon years of losses on a project and go really long term.
If Apple are smart they will try to concentrate on expanding in handheld gaming, at the expense of Nintendo, because they already have succes on that front.
If they make a console, chances are it will be a failure.
The big difference between Apple and M$, is that M$ have alot money to throw around and an interest in keeping on a directXbox that has alot in common with the PC.
The first xbox was a learning proces and the 360 has only recently become profitable, but M$ can easily afford years upon years of losses on a project and go really long term.
If Apple are smart they will try to concentrate on expanding in handheld gaming, at the expense of Nintendo, because they already have succes on that front.
If they make a console, chances are it will be a failure.
I think this goes in the "God please no!" folder partly you are going to want one but it's would to be way expensive and probably underpowered... but oh so shiny...
But I can't see how we can trust Mr Newell with future stuff since he (or really valve) has a funny time distorting machine I would really see...
I do also understand why he would be worried if it where created with the "apple tax" 30% is really much of someones price...
But I can't see how we can trust Mr Newell with future stuff since he (or really valve) has a funny time distorting machine I would really see...
I do also understand why he would be worried if it where created with the "apple tax" 30% is really much of someones price...
Can I ask why this disclaimer is neccesary? Literally every single Escapist contributer has said this when discussing Steve Job's death or Apple in general.Hevva said:
Is it really that embarrasing for people tied into the video game culture to own an Iphone, Ipod, Macbook, etc?
Sure, they have flaws, sure they are overpriced, but they are still valid and impressive feats of technology, and honestly I feel like this need to "justify" complimenting Apple's products/success, by constantly telling us "oh, don't worry I may apprieciate the products, but I don't own any" is just plain silly.
Has the sterotypical notion of the "Apple owner" really become so concrete that we must make sure everyone knows that we don't own any of their products to maintain our image in this niche society that we have created?
I don't care if anyone does or does not own an Apple product, but I wish that people wouldn't be so judgemental of the things people spend their money on, so then maybe these disclaimers would not be needed.
OT: I would not by an apple console.
Nautical Honors Society said:
Sure! You raise a good point. For me personally, it has nothing to do with the image of an Apple consumer; if you like their products, you like their products and that's that. I just wanted to highlight that even if you don't use those products, the effects they've had on media consumption can still be felt in the technology you use. Disclaimers like these usually find their roots in writing rather than in not wanting to be associated with a particular brand.
Did you guys know the 16GB iPad 1 costed only 229.35? to manufacture at most, with the biggest cost being the flash memory rounding up to about 80??Worgen said:
It was sold at a retail price of 499?.
Thanks for the article. It is good to know that Gabe isn't entirely a Mac fanboy and holds reservations, but one thing he states at the end puts the fail on EA in their rant against Steam. Once you have Steamworks, you can change your mind at any time.Dexter111 said:
Addendum:
Apple joining the console race won't hurt the other consoles one iota. The Xbox is the most popular right now, coming out ahead after joining late in the game, but it hasn't put Sony or Nintendo out of business. If there is a reason why Nintendo is falling behind as it is, it is on their own shoulders for, well being like Apple and being more closed than the others.
If Apple wants to put out their own console, they best look at Nintendo at what not to do if they want to grab the brass ring as Microsoft did once upon a time.
The person I was referring to never gives evidence and just spits out bullshit (the first 2 letters are So). You at least gave some reasons. And that apple console you thought up sounds less like a console and one of those ipod docking station things.Plinglebob said:Screw it, I'll take the bait (though I'm a P, not an Svivalahelvig said:). Yes it is hypocritical for someone who has done more to wall off and enclose PC to complain about closed systems. Their success and the good they've done in other areas of PC gaming (indie, making digital downloads viable) doesn't stop Steam from being as bad as Xbox Live or iTunes in this one area.
More OT, I doubt Apple will go with the traditional console. The most likely route will be a box under the TV offering out the box a number of features other companies have added to their consoles (iPlayer, Facebook, Film downloads through iTunes etc) and have games as a side bonus just like they did with the iPad/iPhone. The upside is there will finally be a console I won't feel forced to buy.
Also, I can't take Mr Newell seriously when he goes on about closed systems and not because of my rant above. Each time he does it, it just sounds like someone whining because he's not being aloud to do things the way he wants too to make money. I still remember the massive change of heart he had regarding developing for consoles after Sony let him shove Steam onto the PS3.
What I find most consistent about Apple in this past decade is all the bullshit people(on both sides of the fence) make up regarding Apple and its products. The recent grumblings of dissatisfaction with the iPhone 4S is a direct result of all the hype and hyperbole that was generated(not by Apple, mind you) over what was supposed to be the iPhone 5. People made all kinds of analyses and predictions based off absolutely no information at all. They spun themselves to expect something that was never announced or promised, and yet, have the gall to be disappointed when reality fails to live up to their unfounded fantasies.
Until Apple actually, explicitly says something along the lines that it is creating a dedicated console for the purpose of games, take any such musings in that direction as wishful thinking and wild-ass guessing.
Also, those of you screaming bloody murder at the thought of an Apple "walled-garden" game console need to take a look at your current console, if you own one. Guess what? It's already a walled-garden, as consoles have always been for at least the last two decades.
Until Apple actually, explicitly says something along the lines that it is creating a dedicated console for the purpose of games, take any such musings in that direction as wishful thinking and wild-ass guessing.
Also, those of you screaming bloody murder at the thought of an Apple "walled-garden" game console need to take a look at your current console, if you own one. Guess what? It's already a walled-garden, as consoles have always been for at least the last two decades.
Dude, don't say stuff like that. It makes you look like a Luddite. If it's because of the limitations Australia puts on its Internet (my sympathies for that, by the way), then just say so; don't act like it makes you better than other people.42 said:
THANK YOU. Geez, I was afraid I'd have to be the first person to point this out to people. It's as if decades of "obsolete before I opened the box" jokes were erased from history just because Steve Jobs dares to release new products more than once every five years. Heck, if anything, Apple gets criticized for not updating their product line often enough.Duol said:
I'd have said "less restrictive" rather than "more open", since a platform is either open or it isn't, but otherwise I agree with this. You pretty much have to try to get an app blocked by Apple. Which tends to lead to the App Store being bloated with useless crap, but such is the price we pay.Treblaine said:
There have been devices like that for years. They're called "laptops." And to be frank, it doesn't exactly give me a lot of confidence in the world's doctors and airline pilots to discover that they didn't realize they could use computers to do things before Steve Jobs told them so.Garrett Richey said:
FelixG said:
Ahahaha. NoFelixG said:
It's more like 6, ignoring the amount of HD storage.
The differences between them are real. More powerful chipsets, power supply wattage and extra things like HDMI.
These a real differences. The newer, better Xboxes will run games better, using less power and generating less heat. This matters, as I'm sure you've heard that the clogging/overheating problems Xboxes have had in the past. If they're not getting as hot, it's less of an issue as less air will be drawn through the fans. Even if such issue is resolved, running cooler is still desirable.
New Xboxes will load games, market place, etc faster, where older ones won't.
The older ones can technically run the newest more intensive games, because Microsoft didn't want to create a divide in the market.
Don't "point and jeer" at other companies for supposedly doing something that their rival supposedly doesn't do. (But actually does).
Hmm, I've used a laptop and I've used and iPad, you can't really use a laptop like a Tablet, the weight and size difference may not seem huge for something like a notebook but it really does. Having a big arse touchscreen... well it opens up possibilities I never considered before.Nautical Honors Society said:
IT'S NOT A LAPTOP REPLACEMENT
It is honestly in a completely different category with a level of portability far above a laptop, and I don't just mean transportability, I mean using while standing, or sitting on a train/plane with a tiny fold down table. The thing is, it isn't a fuss to use and all that people complain about "it's just an over sized iphone" well that IS true... and that's a good thing.
Iphone is very capable but held back not by screen resolution but screen size, and battery size. Putting that big screen on there changes a lot. Using my iPod touch I love the functionality but it's constantly held back by battery life and pokey screen size.
The devil is in the detail, and those differences from a netbook are really really darn important.
iOS gets really good performance out of really low power specs, it's. It's like a (perfect) blend of console operating system and a PC operating system, I wouldn't have it as my main OS but for. Have you seem some of the games for iOS:adamtm said:
Tablets in the 90s are so different conceptually from the tablets of today they almost desere a different name. For one the design brief back then allowed them to be uncomfortably heavy (up to three kilos) basically a laptop except the screen bolted straight on the front. They were never successful as it KILLED you trying to hold this thing for any useful length of time and were generally limited to a stylus interface. It was shit, but everyone liked the idea of a nice flat computing device... they just thought laptop tech was the only path to go.
We all knew what we wanted, Star Trek TNG in the 1980's knew with things like this:
They wanted a thin little touch screen interface minimalist kind of device. But the laptop-sandwich route was going nowhere fast.
This new "generation" of tablets have come from the other direction, instead of trying to make computers even smaller and more power efficient (kinda futile) it went from the other direction of making phones bigger and more powerful. This worked, and the iPad 2 is just 1.3lbs, or 600 grams yet has 10 hours battery life while still great capability in real world applications, like how pretty does Infinity Blade look.