Gabe Newell: Yes, We're Still Working on Half-Life 2: Episode 3

[cleverlymadeup]

So Valve hate PS3, can't blame them. Hard to make the games for it, barely any difference (as far as I can tell) compared to 360, are there any game developers that like the PS3?

OT: least half-life isn't as bad as starcraft 2......right?

actually no it's just even more proof how lacking in coding skills the guys at valve actually have. they don't design for anything more than a m$ platform

take a look at the Carmack, he's found it no problem to code for the PS3, his only issue has been the graphics randerer and that's it.

so i'm going to place the blame on not being able to do it fully on Gabe and his inability to code for anything that's not m$ but then what do you really expect from a former m$ employee

 

[Lordmarkus]

Its better be longer then ep 1 and ep 2 combined.

Episode 1 was around 4 hours with a development time of 1 1/2 years and episode 2 was around 6-7 hours with a development for a 1 1/2 years too. I'll give my guesses on that Episode 3 is out next autumn and has then been in development for 3 years, so 10-15 hours would be reasonable.

If Episode 3 is shorter than at least 8 hours they have, in my eyes, failed horribly.

 

[Aura Guardian]

agruement

Look. I like Valve and I might agree with what he says (about game development for PS3) however they didn't make a game for the PS3. As you said. EA ported it and built it from the ground up. I think they didn't even make an effort with the PS3.

 

[Jumplion]

agruement

Look. I like Valve and I might agree with what he says (about game development for PS3) however they didn't make a game for the PS3. As you said. EA ported it and built it from the ground up. I think they didn't even make an effort with the PS3.

Ever since Gabe said "I think the PS3 is a waste of time" VALVe's PR department has been trying to scrape up the absolute mess that Gabe spewed since then. They say they're not interested in the PS3, fine. Then they say they're looking into the PS3, okay. Then they say that the PS3 complexity hinders development, well they hardly did anything for it. Then they say "We're not interested in it" but they said they were before. Then they say that they love us so much that they don't want to give PS3 owners the short-end of the bone, when they hardly support the 360 despite what they claim.

It's just a big jumbled mess, and it's not making me like VALVe any more... They've been doing weirdly for a while, ever since the L4D2 announcement things have been bumpy for them. Personally, I want VALVe taken down a notch or two. Not be smashed to bits, of course not, they're one of the best developers out there, but I just want them punched in the arm or something and taken down a peg. They, and their fans, seem to be full of themselves.

 

[Aura Guardian]

Agreement

No kidding. I like VALVe and that's because of TF2. The fans are a bit...jumpy. While they are good, they're not the best.

 

[Cliff_m85]

You know what......they have one more year. That's all I'll give them. If it's not out my 9/9/2010 I'm completely done investing money into them. This is just insane, to be waiting this long for not a game but an EPISODE for a game. So yeah, I'm not buying a goddamn thing from them until HL2:E3 comes out, and if it's not out in a year I'm completely done with them.


I'll just read some crappy fan-fiction account of what happens and that'll have to do.

Or you can stop whineing and let them work longer so it's actually good? No one appreciates what developers do anymore. Here's a challenge for you: Make a game series, and when your making the 5th game, it has to pass all expectations and be better than the others, but the others have to be extremely good too. You also have to make other big series before you make the 5th. And work on the projects, usually at the same time.

Yes, but it's an episode of a game. At some point in development, you have to think "Are we making HL2: Ep 3? Or just HL3?"

So what if it's an episode? They are adding sign language to the game, and doing other things with it. Would you rather have a quickly thrown together, bland, boring game, or wait a while to get a good game?

Oh YAY!!! Sign language!!! Just the thing I've been waiting for in a video game!

It's sign enough that they aren't even talking about it, atleast Duke Nukem Forever tossed out some screen shots and trailers to whet our appetite. Half Life 2: Ep 3 has the gull to make us wait this long for an EPISODE and doesn't even give us anything to let us know it's worth the wait. One year, Valve. That's all you have left for me.

 

[The Bandit]

You know what......they have one more year. That's all I'll give them. If it's not out my 9/9/2010 I'm completely done investing money into them. This is just insane, to be waiting this long for not a game but an EPISODE for a game. So yeah, I'm not buying a goddamn thing from them until HL2:E3 comes out, and if it's not out in a year I'm completely done with them.


I'll just read some crappy fan-fiction account of what happens and that'll have to do.

Or you can stop whineing and let them work longer so it's actually good? No one appreciates what developers do anymore. Here's a challenge for you: Make a game series, and when your making the 5th game, it has to pass all expectations and be better than the others, but the others have to be extremely good too. You also have to make other big series before you make the 5th. And work on the projects, usually at the same time.

Yes, but it's an episode of a game. At some point in development, you have to think "Are we making HL2: Ep 3? Or just HL3?"

So what if it's an episode? They are adding sign language to the game, and doing other things with it. Would you rather have a quickly thrown together, bland, boring game, or wait a while to get a good game?

So, when is it OK to start complaining about how long it's taking? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? At some point you have to stop and say, enough is enough. And if that guy thinks enough is enough, fine. What's it to you?

 

[Cliff_m85]

You know what......they have one more year. That's all I'll give them. If it's not out my 9/9/2010 I'm completely done investing money into them. This is just insane, to be waiting this long for not a game but an EPISODE for a game. So yeah, I'm not buying a goddamn thing from them until HL2:E3 comes out, and if it's not out in a year I'm completely done with them.


I'll just read some crappy fan-fiction account of what happens and that'll have to do.

Or you can stop whineing and let them work longer so it's actually good? No one appreciates what developers do anymore. Here's a challenge for you: Make a game series, and when your making the 5th game, it has to pass all expectations and be better than the others, but the others have to be extremely good too. You also have to make other big series before you make the 5th. And work on the projects, usually at the same time.

Yes, but it's an episode of a game. At some point in development, you have to think "Are we making HL2: Ep 3? Or just HL3?"

So what if it's an episode? They are adding sign language to the game, and doing other things with it. Would you rather have a quickly thrown together, bland, boring game, or wait a while to get a good game?

Oh YAY!!! Sign language!!! Just the thing I've been waiting for in a video game!

It's sign enough that they aren't even talking about it, atleast Duke Nukem Forever tossed out some screen shots and trailers to whet our appetite. Half Life 2: Ep 3 has the gull to make us wait this long for an EPISODE and doesn't even give us anything to let us know it's worth the wait. One year, Valve. That's all you have left for me.

Even if I am afraid of the suspension/probation that will surely come with what I'm about to say, I don't care, it has to be said:
Well, why don't you get a juice box and a snack and then come back when your done with your nap? Your getting too pissy about it because they won't give you screen shots. I think they should personally take one with Alyx's face taking up the whole screen just to get everyone to stop crying about it -.-

Atleast that would be something. That would atleast give me a sense of hope that they're actually not just snorting coke and hiring strippers during the day rather than working on it. Toss out an image of a new head-crab, is that so much to ask? Hell, even a design for a new gun would be enough. Hearing absolutely nothing and then having Gabe jabber out "we can haz sign language?" is just not cutting it for me, especially when it's such a stupid concept.

 

[Ghost8585]

So Valve hate PS3, can't blame them. Hard to make the games for it, barely any difference (as far as I can tell) compared to 360, are there any game developers that like the PS3?

Sure. Sucker Punch, Kojima Productions, Temco, ect.

I remember reading that Valve was looking at hiring some people for PS3 development but I guess Gabe threw a fit after he realized the lines at the food court would be longer.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I think Yahtzee said it already, about how episodic content is meant to be about rapid, high quality small bites of fun and whilst Valve got the fun nailed down, they're having a bit of a problem with the whole "rapid" thing.

Episode 3 better last a good long while and drop some good plot points...

 

[similar.squirrel]

They should release Episode 3 really suddenly, with no advertising whatsoever. Out of the blue.
WHAM!
That sort of thing.
I'm sure it'd get the game more publicity than an ad campaign, just for the sheer bravery of it.

 

[Cliff_m85]

You know what......they have one more year. That's all I'll give them. If it's not out my 9/9/2010 I'm completely done investing money into them. This is just insane, to be waiting this long for not a game but an EPISODE for a game. So yeah, I'm not buying a goddamn thing from them until HL2:E3 comes out, and if it's not out in a year I'm completely done with them.


I'll just read some crappy fan-fiction account of what happens and that'll have to do.

Or you can stop whineing and let them work longer so it's actually good? No one appreciates what developers do anymore. Here's a challenge for you: Make a game series, and when your making the 5th game, it has to pass all expectations and be better than the others, but the others have to be extremely good too. You also have to make other big series before you make the 5th. And work on the projects, usually at the same time.

Yes, but it's an episode of a game. At some point in development, you have to think "Are we making HL2: Ep 3? Or just HL3?"

So what if it's an episode? They are adding sign language to the game, and doing other things with it. Would you rather have a quickly thrown together, bland, boring game, or wait a while to get a good game?

Oh YAY!!! Sign language!!! Just the thing I've been waiting for in a video game!

It's sign enough that they aren't even talking about it, atleast Duke Nukem Forever tossed out some screen shots and trailers to whet our appetite. Half Life 2: Ep 3 has the gull to make us wait this long for an EPISODE and doesn't even give us anything to let us know it's worth the wait. One year, Valve. That's all you have left for me.

Even if I am afraid of the suspension/probation that will surely come with what I'm about to say, I don't care, it has to be said:
Well, why don't you get a juice box and a snack and then come back when your done with your nap? Your getting too pissy about it because they won't give you screen shots. I think they should personally take one with Alyx's face taking up the whole screen just to get everyone to stop crying about it -.-

Atleast that would be something. That would atleast give me a sense of hope that they're actually not just snorting coke and hiring strippers during the day rather than working on it. Toss out an image of a new head-crab, is that so much to ask? Hell, even a design for a new gun would be enough. Hearing absolutely nothing and then having Gabe jabber out "we can haz sign language?" is just not cutting it for me, especially when it's such a stupid concept.

Just give them time to make the game, for god sakes. It took them eleven years to make TF2, and no one complained. When was Episode 2 released? Two years ago, correct? It takes time to make a game. And, they are probably going to try and top Episode 2. I didn't play Episode 2 fully, but from what I played, it was rather interesting and fun. Would you rather them produce another Episode 2, but greater, or produce a Haze, another game that was full of potential, but fell short of Mediocre?

It took them 11 years to make TF2, a whole game. How long is it taking them to make an EPISODE of a game?


Ok, I'll adjust my statement. They have one year to come out with HL2:E3 or I'm done buying from them, however if they come out with "Orange Box 2" with HL2:E3 and Portal 2 then I'll give them 2 years.

 

[crooked_ferret]

all I have to say is portal 2
sounds so awesome I can't even come up with a cogent simile to describe how awesome it would be.

 

[Cliff_m85]

You know what......they have one more year. That's all I'll give them. If it's not out my 9/9/2010 I'm completely done investing money into them. This is just insane, to be waiting this long for not a game but an EPISODE for a game. So yeah, I'm not buying a goddamn thing from them until HL2:E3 comes out, and if it's not out in a year I'm completely done with them.


I'll just read some crappy fan-fiction account of what happens and that'll have to do.

Or you can stop whineing and let them work longer so it's actually good? No one appreciates what developers do anymore. Here's a challenge for you: Make a game series, and when your making the 5th game, it has to pass all expectations and be better than the others, but the others have to be extremely good too. You also have to make other big series before you make the 5th. And work on the projects, usually at the same time.

Yes, but it's an episode of a game. At some point in development, you have to think "Are we making HL2: Ep 3? Or just HL3?"

So what if it's an episode? They are adding sign language to the game, and doing other things with it. Would you rather have a quickly thrown together, bland, boring game, or wait a while to get a good game?

Oh YAY!!! Sign language!!! Just the thing I've been waiting for in a video game!

It's sign enough that they aren't even talking about it, atleast Duke Nukem Forever tossed out some screen shots and trailers to whet our appetite. Half Life 2: Ep 3 has the gull to make us wait this long for an EPISODE and doesn't even give us anything to let us know it's worth the wait. One year, Valve. That's all you have left for me.

Even if I am afraid of the suspension/probation that will surely come with what I'm about to say, I don't care, it has to be said:
Well, why don't you get a juice box and a snack and then come back when your done with your nap? Your getting too pissy about it because they won't give you screen shots. I think they should personally take one with Alyx's face taking up the whole screen just to get everyone to stop crying about it -.-

Atleast that would be something. That would atleast give me a sense of hope that they're actually not just snorting coke and hiring strippers during the day rather than working on it. Toss out an image of a new head-crab, is that so much to ask? Hell, even a design for a new gun would be enough. Hearing absolutely nothing and then having Gabe jabber out "we can haz sign language?" is just not cutting it for me, especially when it's such a stupid concept.

Just give them time to make the game, for god sakes. It took them eleven years to make TF2, and no one complained. When was Episode 2 released? Two years ago, correct? It takes time to make a game. And, they are probably going to try and top Episode 2. I didn't play Episode 2 fully, but from what I played, it was rather interesting and fun. Would you rather them produce another Episode 2, but greater, or produce a Haze, another game that was full of potential, but fell short of Mediocre?

It took them 11 years to make TF2, a whole game. How long is it taking them to make an EPISODE of a game?


Ok, I'll adjust my statement. They have one year to come out with HL2:E3 or I'm done buying from them, however if they come out with "Orange Box 2" with HL2:E3 and Portal 2 then I'll give them 2 years.

... It took them 4 years to make GTA IV. No one complained like this. It's 2 YEARS since Episode 2, and people are already acting like it's the end of the world. And it's been 2 years since Portal was released. They aren't going to rush to make a package of games in order to please a few fans who can't give them time to work.

Ok, fine. I'll spell it out to you.


It took 4 years to make GTA IV, a FULL-LENGTH GAME with MULTIPLAYER and a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF HOURS YOU CAN SPEND DOING STUFF.

Half Life 2: EPISODE 3 is an EPISODE. It's NOT a FULL-LENGTH GAME nor has anything been said about MULTIPLAYER and there won't be a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF HOURS of play since it's just an EPISODE.

If they came out and said "Yo, Half Life 2: Episode 3 is now Half Life 3." I'd say "Ok, that's perfectly acceptable then". But all they say is "Don't wanna talk about it....oh, and we haz sign language lolz".

 

[House25]

The whole PS3 thing does really make me sad, but at least he didn't sugar coat it. So i guess Orange Box 2, and all the class updates for TF2 aren't coming are way.
What did Sony do to everybody? Sleep with their sisters?