Gamers Don't Get to Keep OnLive Purchases

[Something Amyss]

Consumers are generally bad about value. I doubt this will hurt Onlive. Other things may, but not this.

 

[Canid117]

So there is no reason to use OnLive? Thanks for the heads up Westbrook. I am going to go play my games on Steam now.

 

[oranger]

Yeah well...this is actually the other side of the piracy coin, isn't it? the producers of the content can do whatever they like with the product, and we have to just shut up and take it.

 

[Corpse XxX]

I see this Onlive thing dying out rather quickly!

 

[Hawgh]

Well, this seems a little harsh.

 

[swolf]

I still dont like the idea of it...I prefer my media to be tangiable..

I agree with this. I don't feel comfortable paying $60 for something I can not hold in my hands. The Onlive rule is stupid. So, it basically breaks down to this: you keep giving us money or we'll take away everything you ever bought from us...imagine what would happen if more companies would do this...hmm, "Newsflash: Wal-Mart will begin a subscription service. Stop paying and they'll remove their product, by force if necessary. Also, this just in: if you can't pay upfront for a doctor to deliver your baby, he will give you an abortion instead." See how ridiculous that sounds? Sadly, they will probably still make an obscene amount of money.

Did you contact them, and ask about your account? Do it, if you spent some money on there you should at least find out why. They may have made a mistake. Really Contact them what is the worst that can happen?

That doesn't sound like a bad idea.[/quote] I don't know what else to say but this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3KyXCBrAfg. It's in good humor, don't take offense.

 

[RobCoxxy]

What the shit is this "OnLive" anyway?

 

[MR.Spartacus]

Soooomething tells me this is gona fail miserably...

They simply haven't advertised it enough, nobody knows of it or remembers of it =\

Also, this legal stuff has further discouraged me from using the system... doesn't that mean that, in the case that it shuts down due to unpopularity, you lose all your games with no refund?

Yes it does! I can't remember the name of that music thing Microsoft had. But it shut down and everyone who'd payed lost everything they'd payed for. I can't even remember the name for hunting links and "Microsoft" and "music" will be a tedious bore.

 

[Plazmatic]

It's shit like this why digital distribution won't work.

I'm pretty sure Steam is pretty successful digital sales. As far as losing your content, it doesn't seem any different than losing a character in an MMO when you get banned.

accept most people wont be on mmos there (if they are even available..) and this wont equate to them, nor does it to me, never paying for any subscription service accept xbox live, and that only lasted a year, and I did not lose my games after not paying for more time. In steam, you dont have to pay at all, accept for the games obviously, but you can stop buying games, and you will still have steam. This isn't about if you get banned, this is about losing your games due to you not wanting to use the service for a while

It's shit like this why digital distribution won't work.

^this

^is fail

this is really anoying but I guess were going to have to put this up again since SOME people simply do not understand.

 

[Plazmatic]

sorry, escapist glitch

 

[RvLeshrac]

It's shit like this why digital distribution won't work.

@Topic

This has officially destroyed any interest I have in OnLive.

Yeah, I got banned from steam for no reason when I had like $70 on there, but I also on another account got taken away around $15-$30, so in conclusion, steam is a rip off.

Valve *ONLY* bans or disables access to your Steam account if you have an unpaid bill, typically due to a charge-back. VAC bans are only for VAC-enabled games, though they are for ALL VAC-enabled games, and otherwise do not alter your Steam account.

Additionally, for those complaining about needing to be "always connected," that's why Valve has given Steam users an Offline Mode.

 

[RvLeshrac]

It's shit like this why digital distribution won't work.

I'm pretty sure Steam is pretty successful digital sales. As far as losing your content, it doesn't seem any different than losing a character in an MMO when you get banned.

but you still own the game and can make a new acount i think.(dont play mmo)

In most modern MMO's, no you can't it's one account per CD key, get banned and you're done.

That said, it is INCREDIBLY rare for a paying customer to be banned from an MMO without cause. Any employee of any (reputable) developer would be terminated *instantly* for a PR disaster of that magnitude.

Even in the case of gold-sellers and hackers/cheaters, bans tend to be rare - and those are people who blatantly and directly violate both the game's license and TOS, if not (in the case of account hacking) the law.

 

[Mcface]

What the hell is onlive?

anyway, this is not new, you don't own your steam games either. If your steam account is hacked/ban/lost whatever, you lose it all.

 

[Mcface]

It's shit like this why digital distribution won't work.

@Topic

This has officially destroyed any interest I have in OnLive.

Yeah, I got banned from steam for no reason when I had like $70 on there, but I also on another account got taken away around $15-$30, so in conclusion, steam is a rip off.

Valve *ONLY* bans or disables access to your Steam account if you have an unpaid bill, typically due to a charge-back. VAC bans are only for VAC-enabled games, though they are for ALL VAC-enabled games, and otherwise do not alter your Steam account.

Additionally, for those complaining about needing to be "always connected," that's why Valve has given Steam users an Offline Mode.

Actually, there are certain thinks on the fourms and using messenger that can get your actual account ban. It's happened before with people I know. They get hacked, the person spams phsing sites and porn sites, and the account is banned for breaching the TOS. They mave have changed it, but that's how it was.

 

[RelexCryo]

Gamers Don't Get to Keep OnLive Purchases

Think you're buying that game on OnLive? Think again.

OnLive launched yesterday, but you might want to think twice before buying any content on the service. OnLive gives subscribers the choice of either renting a game for a few dollars, or paying a little more - up to $60 for AAA titles - for unlimited access. While playing games on the service requires an active subscription, an account can be suspended by the user at any time and for any reason. Should an account remain suspended for 12 months, however, OnLive will automatically close it, resulting in the loss of all content.

Sections 12 and 13 of the OnLive Terms of Service [http://www.onlive.com/legal/termsofservice] state: "OnLive will close your Account if it not resumed within twelve (12) months of the last suspension ... Closing your Account will immediately and permanently terminate your access to the Service using the closed Account; immediately and permanently terminate your access to all content, messages ... or anything that may be of value directly or indirectly associated with the Account, if any, whether purchased or not."

There's plenty to be excited about with OnLive, but unless you're willing to pay for the service forever, I'd think long and hard before buying anything on it. You might decide that some games are worth your cash - and not all games will cost $60 - as long as you aren't under any illusions that your purchases are yours to keep.

Source: Dvice [http://dvice.com/archives/2010/06/even-the-games.php]


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Thank you very, very much for warning us about this.

 

[ActionDan]

Wow, fuck this. OnLive really have NOT thought this through at all. I bet within a year it'll go bust.

 

[Infinatex]

lol in the picture there is a tab on screen saying "My Stuff"... By the sounds of this it's their stuff not yours..

 

[zHellas]

I still dont like the idea of it...I prefer my media to be tangiable..

Or at least 'till the methods of distribution and buying/selling are good enough as well as stable.

 

[RvLeshrac]

It's shit like this why digital distribution won't work.

@Topic

This has officially destroyed any interest I have in OnLive.

Yeah, I got banned from steam for no reason when I had like $70 on there, but I also on another account got taken away around $15-$30, so in conclusion, steam is a rip off.

Valve *ONLY* bans or disables access to your Steam account if you have an unpaid bill, typically due to a charge-back. VAC bans are only for VAC-enabled games, though they are for ALL VAC-enabled games, and otherwise do not alter your Steam account.

Additionally, for those complaining about needing to be "always connected," that's why Valve has given Steam users an Offline Mode.

Actually, there are certain thinks on the fourms and using messenger that can get your actual account ban. It's happened before with people I know. They get hacked, the person spams phsing sites and porn sites, and the account is banned for breaching the TOS. They mave have changed it, but that's how it was.

The forums use different accounting. Your forum account can be banned without touching your Steam account. Valve may ban access to a variety of features, but you'll still have access to content you've paid for.

There may be temporary bans due to a compromised account, but that's primarily to protect you, since someone using your account could easily place orders using your stored credentials.