Gamers make bad feminists

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You know what I really love? Ever since the Hitman trailer, gamers have undertaken serious studies of feminist theory and put consideration into how social norms have developed to favour male traits above those of female ones.

Naw, just kidding, they've become reactionaries for whom sexualization must necessarily mean debasement or exploitation.

Feminism is an important social movement, and sadly, judging by the comments that are rapidly spreading throughout game blogs, forums, and so on, more or less all of us have decided instead to become puritan anti-boob crusaders.

As an example of this, I give you the frankly juvenile comments of Jim Sterling during today's e3 events. These refer to a Far Cry 3 trailer which made the all of a sudden mortal sin of showing a topless women for a few seconds:
When all else fails, voodoo breasts! That's the creed of FarCry 3. #E3
Forget the breasts. That sweet green jungle is what'll obtain and maintain MY penile engorgement. #E3
Also, see Miracle of Sound's twitter, refering to the host of Ubi's presentation:
Why is she being such a **** to Toby? Does she think being a complete **** is sexy or something? Because it isn't.
Amazingly, in an apparent effort to decry sex stereotypes in gaming culture, these guys gone an insisted on viewing everything done through sex-tinted spectacles. This is reactionary- not principled. Indeed, it's not even logical- unless we are to believe having women at all staring in your games, or presenting your e3 shows is an inherently sexual act.

Feminist critiques of culture are often great. But, by and large, it's an art form that gamers have far from perfected. Can we please put these stupid reactionary outrage to bed now?
 

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http://www.gamepeople.co.uk/intimate_360_bayonetta.htm
http://www.gamepeople.co.uk/intimate_360_deus-ex-human-revolution.htm

Feminist are bad game journalists apparently as well.
 

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Haha I've seen Jim Sterling called many things, but this is the first time I've seen someone call him "feminist."
 

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Halo Fanboy said:
http://www.gamepeople.co.uk/intimate_360_bayonetta.htm
http://www.gamepeople.co.uk/intimate_360_deus-ex-human-revolution.htm

Feminist are bad game journalists apparently as well.
I must say, I actually liked these articles.
 

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While I agree that gamers generally make bad feminists (speaking as a woman myself) I do agree with them this time. Those assassins dressed up in cliché latex porn nun costumes with buy guns. And then all of them getting beaten up by a single man. And then how some of the camera angles were done in the trailer...it's very clearly the BAD form of sexualization.

And then there's games like Bayonetta, where I think it's actually a good quality of the game. A good form of sexualizaiton. Then there's also games like DoA. I don't have a problem with such games as well, as they specifically do it for the sexy girls in bikini's and such.

But in the new Hitman? Seriously? It's just...wrong. It doesn't fit, betrays what the hitman series is about and sexualizes women in a bad way.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Haha I've seen Jim Sterling called many things, but this is the first time I've seen someone call him "feminist."
Yeah my irony glad is about to explode. Anyone remember that long-winded debate he had with that one feminist a few years ago?
 

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The woman are not real, It is a work of fiction, Games are an art form.

There wouldn't be outcry if a woman was punched/raped/dressed as a strippernunassissin in a book, movie or TV program (assuming it was aired at the right time).
 

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Since we are throwing stupid sweeping Generalizations based on no facts whatsoever.

Cats are shitty pets.
Cupcakes are the best source of iron.
Feminists make great objective journalists
 

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Fappy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Haha I've seen Jim Sterling called many things, but this is the first time I've seen someone call him "feminist."
Yeah my irony glad is about to explode. Anyone remember that long-winded debate he had with that one feminist a few years ago?
Is that the one where he called her a 'Feminazi slut'? How times change...
 

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Hazy992 said:
Fappy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Haha I've seen Jim Sterling called many things, but this is the first time I've seen someone call him "feminist."
Yeah my irony glad is about to explode. Anyone remember that long-winded debate he had with that one feminist a few years ago?
Is that the one where he called her a 'Feminazi slut'? How times change...
I believe that's the one! :D
 

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Fappy said:
Hazy992 said:
Fappy said:
Kahunaburger said:
Haha I've seen Jim Sterling called many things, but this is the first time I've seen someone call him "feminist."
Yeah my irony glad is about to explode. Anyone remember that long-winded debate he had with that one feminist a few years ago?
Is that the one where he called her a 'Feminazi slut'? How times change...
I believe that's the one! :D
Oh man, those were the days eh? :p
 

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Zappanale said:
This is not the conclusion of a mature or enlightened examination of alternative points of view; so why would you write it as if to resemble anything of the sort?

It's as ignorant and vapid as the reverse caricature that those who argue against such criticism are drooling perverts with a persecution complex.

The difference between those sides, seems to be that usually the drooling pervert assertion is just so crude; and lacks that same pompous intellectual posturing.
 

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Khanht Cope said:
Zappanale said:
This is not the conclusion of a mature or enlightened examination of alternative points of view; so why would you write it as if to resemble anything of the sort?

It's as ignorant and vapid as the reverse caricature that those who argue against such criticism are drooling perverts with a persecution complex.

The difference between those sides, seems to be that usually the drooling pervert assertion is just so crude; and lacks that same pompous intellectual posturing.
It's not an issue of people with differing points of view.
It's people I essentially agree with, who are being manifestly reactive to the slightest provocation without reason.
 

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What you've taken are tweets. They're soundbites wihtout sufficient context or elaboration to draw commentary without that being perceived as trollish or 'reactive'.
 

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Marv666 said:
Thats not true I am an amazing feminist. I fucking love tits and am all for giving them equal rights.
Then you're not a feminist but an equalist. :p Feminists, these days, are only all about women's rights. No longer about just equal rights. Or rather, feminists these days are all about getting special treatment just so they can 'feel' equal to men even though they do less work, are weaker, etc. (Not saying women all do less work or are weaker, just that the ones that are want to still feel equal for doing/achieving less.)

So yea, you're an equalist! Same with me. :p
 

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I don't think you fully understand what the modern feminist movement really is about, but that's not really a discussion for here or now.

That said, the Hitman trailer was more facepalm than anything else really. It is a sad day if game developers think that that is what gets us interested nowadays.
 

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Khanht Cope said:
What you've taken are tweets. They're soundbites wihtout sufficient context or elaboration to draw commentary without that being perceived as trollish or 'reactive'.
I don't think there is ever an appropriate context for calling somebody a ****.
 

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Zappanale said:
Halo Fanboy said:
http://www.gamepeople.co.uk/intimate_360_bayonetta.htm
http://www.gamepeople.co.uk/intimate_360_deus-ex-human-revolution.htm

Feminist are bad game journalists apparently as well.
I must say, I actually liked these articles.

I wasn't sure if I liked the DEHR one until the author misspelled "Jensen". Then I tossed it XD
 

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sanquin said:
Marv666 said:
Thats not true I am an amazing feminist. I fucking love tits and am all for giving them equal rights.
Then you're not a feminist but an equalist. :p Feminists, these days, are only all about women's rights. No longer about just equal rights. Or rather, feminists these days are all about getting special treatment just so they can 'feel' equal to men even though they do less work, are weaker, etc. (Not saying women all do less work or are weaker, just that the ones that are want to still feel equal for doing/achieving less.)

So yea, you're an equalist! Same with me. :p
Sounds like someone is getting their definitions from fox news. Actually feminism is about equality, people that say its about female dominance are getting their definition from right wing idiots who seek to discredit it.