Gamers Upset at Blizzcon's Slur-Ridden Speech

[bird of hermes]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that nobody's gone on a rant like that for the hell of it? I think it's pretty obvious Corpsegrinder's joking around. This video isn't even new; it's been around for quite some time.

It's also depressing how Thyunda is making sweeping generalizations of an entire genre of music just because it doesn't suit his tastes. Death metal isn't all about controversy, dude, I would know because I listen to tons of it.

 

[Satosuke]

Well, Cannibal Corpse is a joke of a metal band anyway, so why anyone cares is beyond me. It's not like it's someone respectable like Russel Allen or Bruce Dickinson saying these derptastic things; it's frickin' Corpsegrinder, a singer for a band that releases the same boring album every time with different artwork...or lack thereof, in the case of Kill.

Cannibal Corpse are not brutal. They're juvenile, as were his words here. He's not homophobic, he's just a manchild still stuck on the schoolyard calling other kids names.

 

[Something Amyss]

Music for 12 year olds to teabag to.

I'm surprised anyone thought this was a good idea, but hey, it's a con.

 

[AWAR]

Give this man a break, he has Down syndrome, you think it's funny?

 

[solidsamurai]

I would hasten to ask, with the chinese government becoming increasingly opposed to internet cafes why would they be more accepting of an MMO addition of their national symbol now than then? Does the Joyland amusement park simply possess that kind of pull?

Originally the Pandaren storyline contained drunken samurai pandas, among other things. Essentially, the entire lore was much more Japan oriented than Chinese. Now we have Kung Fu Pandaren. One storyline is manifestly more acceptable to the Chinese government.

That and I the original art held kimonos, famer cone-sunhats (whatever those things are called, I'm pretty sure they're chinese; chinese farmers traditionally wear them rite?), and katanas. So it was a mix of Japanese and Chinese - it can be seen how that could offend some chinese (racial as they are about the japanese).

Cannibal Corpse are not brutal. They're juvenile, as were his words here. He's not homophobic, he's just a manchild still stuck on the schoolyard calling other kids names.

These days, brutal and juvenile are increasingly becoming the same thing. Which is a bit scary. Feeds distrust of the young, doesn't it? Also, it always has fascinated me all of my life how 'brutal' people have the confidence to commit to acts of brutality.

 

[thefrizzlefry]

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

Uh, not to disturb you, but there's this band outside, Cynic, and they say they want to have a word with you.

 

[Thyunda]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that nobody's gone on a rant like that for the hell of it? I think it's pretty obvious Corpsegrinder's joking around. This video isn't even new; it's been around for quite some time.

It's also depressing how Thyunda is making sweeping generalizations of an entire genre of music just because it doesn't suit his tastes. Death metal isn't all about controversy, dude, I would know because I listen to tons of it.

Then why is it DEATH metal and not some other, acceptable kind of metal?

 

[BaronOfStuff]

BAWWWWWW.

Seriously, it's just a fucking game.

 

[trouble_gum]

I understand that something like "******" isn't a swear but for some reason, I should take great offense when I'm called one anyway

Faggots were small bunches of sticks, usually used in med-evil times fires to burn PEOPLE as in Witches and Homosexuals. Current usage puts the emphasis on the homosexual aspect, with the general implication is that the person your calling it should be burned alive for being homosexual. Admittedly, I doubt screaming online teens get the full implication of what their saying, but its very much meant as perjorative towards being homosexual

Uh...no.

Faggots were bundles of firewood. They were used to light fires. Not specifically or exclusively for burning witches, homosexuals or heretics.

Spoiler: thanks Wikipedia

A ****** in the meaning of "bundle" is an archaic English unit applied to various-sized collections of sticks:

1 short ****** of sticks = 2 ft girth × 3 ft long bundle of short wood sticks/billets
1 long ****** of sticks = 2 ft girth × 4 ft long bundle of long wood sticks/billets
1 ****** of iron = 2 ft girth × 1 ft long bundle of iron/steel rods/bars

Whilst there are attempts to associate its modern perjorative meaning against homosexuals with being burned at the stake, there's very little to support this connection as death by burning was not used for sexual deviancy in Medieval Britain and it's generally considered more likely that it derives from the terms historical usage as a perjorative for old women (c.f "sissy", "queen").

 

[Baresark]

Wow, so sensitive. I missed this video last week, mostly because I was avoiding anything Blizzcon. No one needs a weekend long convention to talk about 3 games. It's just ridiculous. Guess they needed a way to throw away all that cash they are making. I honestly find it offensive that people are offended so easily. "OMG, he said a hateful word towards no one imparticular, RAGE!!!".

Well, personally I am offended. Tomorrow I'll wake up with leprosy.
(No cookies for references, buy your own.)

Leprosy for everyone who is offended then!! ;P

 

[Baresark]

I understand that something like "******" isn't a swear but for some reason, I should take great offense when I'm called one anyway

Faggots were small bunches of sticks, usually used in med-evil times fires to burn PEOPLE as in Witches and Homosexuals. Current usage puts the emphasis on the homosexual aspect, with the general implication is that the person your calling it should be burned alive for being homosexual. Admittedly, I doubt screaming online teens get the full implication of what their saying, but its very much meant as perjorative towards being homosexual

Uh...no.

Faggots were bundles of firewood. They were used to light fires. Not specifically or exclusively for burning witches, homosexuals or heretics.

Spoiler: thanks Wikipedia

A ****** in the meaning of "bundle" is an archaic English unit applied to various-sized collections of sticks:

1 short ****** of sticks = 2 ft girth × 3 ft long bundle of short wood sticks/billets
1 long ****** of sticks = 2 ft girth × 4 ft long bundle of long wood sticks/billets
1 ****** of iron = 2 ft girth × 1 ft long bundle of iron/steel rods/bars

Whilst there are attempts to associate its modern perjorative meaning against homosexuals with being burned at the stake, there's very little to support this connection as death by burning was not used for sexual deviancy in Medieval Britain and it's generally considered more likely that it derives from the terms historical usage as a perjorative for old women (c.f "sissy", "queen").

Haha, nice. I love how he immediately jumped to burning people. I mean, no one used fire to keep warm, only to burn sexual deviants and maybe a few heretics, right? I'm sure there was no broader use of it than burning people, right? LOL

 

[Baresark]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that nobody's gone on a rant like that for the hell of it? I think it's pretty obvious Corpsegrinder's joking around. This video isn't even new; it's been around for quite some time.

It's also depressing how Thyunda is making sweeping generalizations of an entire genre of music just because it doesn't suit his tastes. Death metal isn't all about controversy, dude, I would know because I listen to tons of it.

Then why is it DEATH metal and not some other, acceptable kind of metal?

That is the genre description of how the music and lyrics are played. Deat metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal. It typically employs heavily distorted guitars, tremolo picking, deep growling vocals, blast beat drumming, minor keys or atonality, and complex song structures with multiple tempo changes. It doesn't have anything to do with controversy. Just ask all the Death Metal bands out there that don't sing about negative or derogatory things (read: most of them). Also, as another poster said, thank you wikipedia.

 

[Fishyash]

A WoW friend of mine's friend is acctually a massive alliance nut. Since she is his IRL friend (and I don't think he cares too much about it anyways) she seems to have a massive go at him if he ever plays a horde character.

She also blocks people on WoW if she ever finds out that you have ever played horde.

...so I do think that this kind of attitude isn't exclusive to horde. But whenever I see blizzcon it really shows that it is more prevalent there.

 

[Vonnis]

Jesus christ. Political correctness is retarded. How about we all just sew our lips together; you can find something "zOMGOFFENSIVE" everywhere if you listen/look hard enough.

 

[chadachada123]

I...uh...don't think that his is a big problem at all.

Or even something to complain about.

The use of slurs, that is. It's a complete non-issue.

However, there IS a true issue with how Alliance members are treated by some Hoard members. That is a serious issue with actual consequences. The words used have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the true problem, which is that there is true abuse going on against certain members by other members. This is what needs to change, not the expressions used.

Like, seriously, haven't we all seen the South Park episode about the word fag? Like, come on.

 

[Thyunda]

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

And a friendly "Up Yours" to you. Nobody has ever cared what you had to say. You are just another nobody with no concept of art as your japanese mecha avatar clearly shows. Silly taunts aside. Seriously, don't push everyone over the same edge, not cool.

OT: That people even became offended is pretty offensive. People are so thin-skinned these days they'll cry about just anything.

Now, to insult my avatar is not only incredibly petty, but also totally irrelevant, since I didn't choose the picture because I liked it, but because I didn't actually have anything else on my hard drive at the time. I do NOW, but changing avatars is such a pain. So I keep an Armoured Core one, despite my hatred of all things Japanese. Well, except Japanese people. I hate their culture and style, not them themselves.

And is true, nobody DOES care what I have to say, but I don't go giving myself some stupid name and screaming over a microphone about morbid topics that I think I'm being unique by 'daring' to approach.

Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.

Condemning a whole genre of artistic creation for the statements made by one musician is a great way to present an argument, I hear. Perhaps, before you try to consider such creation, you should keep your mind open about it, you might find something you like.

Ignorance is fun.

I've never really been a fan of Cannibal corpse, that said. Corpsegrinder doesn't really strike me as the brightest cookie in the death metal bunch, so, I'm surprised they even let him up there. I'd much rather have Paul Masvidal alongside me, on stage.

You got mixed up. I'm not judging the genre based on him, I'm judging him based on the genre. If the genre wasn't already synonymous with being stupidly controversial for the sake of it, there might actually be something unexpected about this.

It's interesting how I've managed to stay away from bands like that... well, lyrics-wise, anyway. I am a huge metal fan, but not so much "death metal" simply because I cannot stand either their sound or the lyrics. Usually the lyrics. There was a band called Red Funeral (I think) that had a fantastic song until I looked up the lyrics and realized the song was about raping a girl. After a quick NOPE I went and listened to As Blood Runs Black (their songs aren't exactly the pinnacle of music, but their drummer is awesome and the lyrics are surprisingly good. For the first album, at least).

I remember watching a documentary on metal (the history of it), and it just got sad when they turned to the black metal genre and its roots, because it went from false, controversy-creating shenanigans (in the US with bands like Black Sabbath and co.) to legitimate church-burnings and hate. I just realized that this is a possible metaphor for this article and the people who play WoW, some get that it's only a game and poke fun of people, others take it very seriously and ruin it for everyone.

Ah, finally, somebody whose first reaction isn't to go OMG THIS GUY HATES METAL! GET HIM!
I don't hate all metal. However, I hate death metal as a genre and as a culture. And it IS fair to generalise death metal, because the very definition of DEATH metal practically rules that they HAVE to be everything that I hate about them. Your Red Funeral example is a damn good one. I know Rammstein pull stuff like that sometimes, with songs like Liebe Ist Fur Alle Da, but at least they take the effort to be poetic about it - and almost justify it, I notice. Rammstein logic is worryingly sound.

I think you are really misunderstanding something. And being a bit of a dick too.

Not all death metal is about mutilating women or whatever, in fact, most death metal isnt. Find me the Nile song with the gore lyrics. Find me the Faceless song that has gore lyrics. Just two examples off the top of my head, there are a lot of bands that sing (well, growl) about gore and what not, but its not the majority by a long shot.

I dont understand how you can say thats why you despise death metal culture. Have you ever been to a concert or a place where several death metal fans are hanging out? I guess not, because you probably dont like the music itself. Thats fine, but let me clear one thing up: death metal fans arent the kind of people that will kidnap and mutilate you. We dont spend our days fantasizing about rape and torture. We dont sit around drinking beer, talking about how we would totally slit open the stomach of that chick over there. Quite the opposite actually, but anyhow....

I have actually talked to a lot of death metal fans, hell, I am one myself, and the only real thing I found that hints to the lyrical content of some bands is that we all have, to some degree, a fascination with the human body and mortality. Its hard to explain really, not a "I want to cut off your arm" fascination, I hope you understand what im saying, I cant find the right words (english is not my mother language). Thats the only real prevalent theme that extends through almost all death metal bands: death itself.

That can be death by strangling and the more brutal options, death by illness, suicide, just death in general. Im not going to tell you to go and listen to death metal since you dont like it, which is a matter of taste and completely fine, but if nothing else maybe you should read a few lyrics that arent from Cannibal Corpse. I assure you, you will be surprised at how many themes different bands cover in different ways, how large the vocabulary is, just how good death metal lyrics are in general. Rammstein are a very good band and can be very poetic, not to mention that superb brand of humor they have, but if you think Rammstein lyrics and such are good... Boy, you are in for a pleasant surprise when you take a better look at some of the death metal lyrics out there.

I hope you will give this a second thought, it bugs me when I see someone pretty much insult my favorite genre of music although he knows next to nothing about it. I made a point of not just insulting you or flaming you though, because the image death metal gets slapped on by the media and some of the more well known death metal band members (like Corpsegrinder here, who incidentally one of the people in the scene I dont like) can be extremely misleading. Im not saying "You should like death metal and if you dont you suck because my opinion is better than yours", im just trying to clear things up a little, because I think you should respect the genre more.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and one more thing: if you think death metal bands are just trying to get publicity through controversy, you are mistaken. If they wanted to be popular, they would change the actual music, which is the reason why the genre is still not in the mainstream.

English is not your mother tongue? Damn, that's pretty impressive. Congratulations.

But. In all fairness, I have nothing against fans of death metal. The music doesn't make the man. But again, I repeat - the things that make music death metal are the things I hate in music. And, Cannibal Corpse is possibly my most hated band ever. As for other death metal bands, I don't really care for them.