Thyunda said:
Heimir said:
Thyunda said:
Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.
And a friendly "Up Yours" to you. Nobody has ever cared what you had to say. You are just another nobody with no concept of art as your japanese mecha avatar clearly shows. Silly taunts aside. Seriously, don't push everyone over the same edge, not cool.
OT: That people even became offended is pretty offensive. People are so thin-skinned these days they'll cry about just anything.
Now, to insult my avatar is not only incredibly petty, but also totally irrelevant, since I didn't choose the picture because I liked it, but because I didn't actually have anything else on my hard drive at the time. I do NOW, but changing avatars is such a pain. So I keep an Armoured Core one, despite my hatred of all things Japanese. Well, except Japanese people. I hate their culture and style, not them themselves.
And is true, nobody DOES care what I have to say, but I don't go giving myself some stupid name and screaming over a microphone about morbid topics that I think I'm being unique by 'daring' to approach.
Kasawd said:
Thyunda said:
Well, that's okay, because nobody has ever, or will ever care what death metal 'musicians' have to say. These are people that have no concept of art, and only of controversy, so I'm really not surprised that they think they're all unique and special for talking shit like this.
Condemning a whole genre of artistic creation for the statements made by one musician is a great way to present an argument, I hear. Perhaps, before you try to consider such creation, you should keep your mind open about it, you might find something you like.
Ignorance is fun.
I've never really been a fan of Cannibal corpse, that said. Corpsegrinder doesn't really strike me as the brightest cookie in the death metal bunch, so, I'm surprised they even let him up there. I'd much rather have Paul Masvidal alongside me, on stage.
You got mixed up. I'm not judging the genre based on him, I'm judging him based on the genre. If the genre wasn't already synonymous with being stupidly controversial for the sake of it, there might actually be something unexpected about this.
McNinja said:
It's interesting how I've managed to stay away from bands like that... well, lyrics-wise, anyway. I am a huge metal fan, but not so much "death metal" simply because I cannot stand either their sound or the lyrics. Usually the lyrics. There was a band called Red Funeral (I think) that had a fantastic song until I looked up the lyrics and realized the song was about raping a girl. After a quick NOPE I went and listened to As Blood Runs Black (their songs aren't exactly the pinnacle of music, but their drummer is awesome and the lyrics are surprisingly good. For the first album, at least).
I remember watching a documentary on metal (the history of it), and it just got sad when they turned to the black metal genre and its roots, because it went from false, controversy-creating shenanigans (in the US with bands like Black Sabbath and co.) to legitimate church-burnings and hate. I just realized that this is a possible metaphor for this article and the people who play WoW, some get that it's only a game and poke fun of people, others take it very seriously and ruin it for everyone.
Ah, finally, somebody whose first reaction isn't to go OMG THIS GUY HATES METAL! GET HIM!
I don't hate all metal. However, I hate death metal as a genre and as a culture. And it IS fair to generalise death metal, because the very definition of DEATH metal practically rules that they HAVE to be everything that I hate about them. Your Red Funeral example is a damn good one. I know Rammstein pull stuff like that sometimes, with songs like Liebe Ist Fur Alle Da, but at least they take the effort to be poetic about it - and almost justify it, I notice. Rammstein logic is worryingly sound.
I think you are really misunderstanding something. And being a bit of a dick too.
Not all death metal is about mutilating women or whatever, in fact, most death metal isnt. Find me the Nile song with the gore lyrics. Find me the Faceless song that has gore lyrics. Just two examples off the top of my head, there are a lot of bands that sing (well, growl) about gore and what not, but its not the majority by a long shot.
I dont understand how you can say thats why you despise death metal culture. Have you ever been to a concert or a place where several death metal fans are hanging out? I guess not, because you probably dont like the music itself. Thats fine, but let me clear one thing up: death metal fans arent the kind of people that will kidnap and mutilate you. We dont spend our days fantasizing about rape and torture. We dont sit around drinking beer, talking about how we would totally slit open the stomach of that chick over there. Quite the opposite actually, but anyhow....
I have actually talked to a lot of death metal fans, hell, I am one myself, and the only real thing I found that hints to the lyrical content of some bands is that we all have, to some degree, a fascination with the human body and mortality. Its hard to explain really, not a "I want to cut off your arm" fascination, I hope you understand what im saying, I cant find the right words (english is not my mother language). Thats the only real prevalent theme that extends through almost all death metal bands: death itself.
That can be death by strangling and the more brutal options, death by illness, suicide, just death in general. Im not going to tell you to go and listen to death metal since you dont like it, which is a matter of taste and completely fine, but if nothing else maybe you should read a few lyrics that arent from Cannibal Corpse. I assure you, you will be surprised at how many themes different bands cover in different ways, how large the vocabulary is, just how good death metal lyrics are in general. Rammstein are a very good band and can be very poetic, not to mention that superb brand of humor they have, but if you think Rammstein lyrics and such are good... Boy, you are in for a pleasant surprise when you take a better look at some of the death metal lyrics out there.
I hope you will give this a second thought, it bugs me when I see someone pretty much insult my favorite genre of music although he knows next to nothing about it. I made a point of not just insulting you or flaming you though, because the image death metal gets slapped on by the media and some of the more well known death metal band members (like Corpsegrinder here, who incidentally one of the people in the scene I dont like) can be extremely misleading. Im not saying "You should like death metal and if you dont you suck because my opinion is better than yours", im just trying to clear things up a little, because I think you should respect the genre more.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and one more thing: if you think death metal bands are just trying to get publicity through controversy, you are mistaken. If they wanted to be popular, they would change the actual music, which is the reason why the genre is still not in the mainstream.
