Gamers? View on LGBT Essay
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Oh I did read your original post and I must say, it was extremely homophobic (Or at least showed a hatred or contempt of homosexuals) and highly flammable. I'll admit that I did not read the original post until after I posted mine, but I will not deny that I did read it. But I digress.Gubernaculum said:
What is important is that
1) I specifically remember listing 5 key points as to why Homosexuality is a much bigger issue to Americans then Schizoids. You only argue against 2, did you not read my entire post?
2) I'm not wrong.
And to prove it, [http://www.waldenbehavioralcare.com/cause_of_schizophrenia.asp]Here are 3 sources for the enviormental cause [http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/schizophrenia/content/article/10168/52516] argument. [http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2809%2960995-8/fulltext]
As for homosexuality.
here [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa] ya [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Twin_studies] go [http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/has-gay-gene-been-found-female-mice]
There, I responded to you in a casual, respectable manner, now why don't you do the same for us as several members of the community, including myself, are getting tired of your constant use of sarcasm and bigotry.
Plenty people have displayed Homophobic opinions, without insulting anyone directly. And a few people have. Also, The Escapist technically isn't the only source of opinions I've went to, it is however the only I directly credit, and mention, since I went as far to create such a popular thread about it. The rest are insights from sites like Kotaku, and general opinions I get from class mates. And, although you do get a homophobe every now and then, most gamers aren't blatantly homophobic it seems, and are fairly comfortable with the subject matter.Danyal said:
And the fact that you used "liberal" to describe the community just made me facepalm. Even more so when you bring MW3 into the mix. I should point out that I am a huge MW3 fan.
Character sexuality comes up A LOT in games, movies, and books. Any game with a love interest displays sexuality.Frehls said:
And I actually applaud Bioware for their gay characters. Last I checked, people disliked DA2 for quite different reasons then the gay characters, who were actually done fairly well, IMO.
And how the industry is going, we are actually seeing a great deal improvements towards good representations. You're right, LGBT is a minority, however it does exist. So it shouldn't be ignored completely. The community isn't asking for the industry to make EVERY game LGBT friendly, that's just silly.
This is actually a similar argument for women representation in Video Games. However, on that side, Women actually have a great deal of good characters to get behind, even though they're a minority among the video game playing demographic. The LGBT, not so much. We would like to get our "Samus", you see.
Anyone else have the problem of being unable to take him seriously after he called himself a "Gaymer"? Seriously that sounds like an insult you use after you get bored of calling him a ******.
Nah, it's a fairly well established neologism. Google it.z121231211 said:
I don't call anyone "******" because that's, well, childish and pathetic at best, so I don't get the chance to get bored of it.
no, it degrade motorcyclistsResonanceGames said:
anyway, i wasn't impressed by the essay, OP. Grammar and spelling inconsistencies aside, i just don't think you made any serious points about anything, and find the work essentially meaningless thereof
I think that one is easy. If you call the black community the N word they will be pissed off, yet they cal each other the N word as in a friendly manner.GeneWard said:
Same with the gay community.
Identifying oneself as gay, and calling people of the same community gay is not rude.
But outsiders of that community should be careful and respectful.
Any group of people who have experienced oppression has every right to be touchy about certain terms and the way they are treated. maybe they will be less touchy and relax if they did not get disrespected as much.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this community seems to be fairly liberal. With the constant attacks of FOX News and generally defending people that are known deviants. Before you attack me, I'm not a big fan of FOX and most of my friends, including myself, seemed to be deviant. My point is generally in my experience people who are different are not treated very nicely.klausaidon said:
Acceptance of LGBT seems to be more of where you go than the gaming community as a whole. If I go into Modern Warfare 3 or Counter Strike I will be treated FAR differently than if I went into Team Fortress 2 or Left 4 Dead (maybe someone else has had insults there, but I have not) Because of this video game designers wont casually put those things in. If God of War started having gay scenes he might not appear to be as "bad ass" (there is a joke in there somewhere) to many gamers and sales would drop. In addition, there is usually an uproar within the public eye and overall it can end up being a mess for marketing.
Bioware is doing a good job with evening out the playing field, but they make RPGs. They are strongly story driven stories where having the choice to be gay, straight, or bi fits well within the games they produce. Other games that are more action oriented don't have that same excuse and are therefore harder to defend when questions start arising.
I do believe that things will change in the future to the point where if they are optional romance in video games that most will have the choice to pick a sexual preference, but right now its still touchy topic.
Good Luck Klausaidon, thank you for the read.
This is exactly right, actually, and it bugs me when people try to shoehorn characters into specific roles because it makes them more "progressive". Kanji MIGHT be gay, but the evidence lies much more on the "confused teenager" side of things. That was the whole point of his dungeon; Kanji was confused about being attracted to a "guy", and along with his rather feminine hobbies he was afraid that he was repressing a homosexual element of himself, which he honestly had no interest in (see his disgust at the way Shadow Kanji acts). He's just trying to come to grips with his sexuality and apparent non-conformity, which is something everyone who has been an early teenager can relate to.UFOROMANTIC said:
And there is nothing transgender about Naoto at all. She's just a girl trying to compete in a traditionally male-oriented field. She already gets flack for being a teenager, and she knew that if she went around as a girl none of the other detectives would take her seriously. This is Japan, after all, gender roles have been traditionally very rigid there. So, like ever female author who has used a male pen name to sell books, she marketed herself as a "boy genius detective" because she knew people would accept it. Does she have some issues with her femininity? Sure, but that again ties to her desire to be a good detective and apparent conclusion that only males can compete.
Honestly, Shadow Kanji bugs the hell out of me. He makes sense, given the context of the game, but the whole dungeon just annoys me. Similar to how apparently Yukiko's desire for freedom manifested itself as her acting like a giant whore, or Rise's desire to be herself manifests as a...stripper? Its just too extreme to feel like its making a realistic point about the characters.
Most people who use kind and unoffensive language do so because they desire to be kind and unoffensive. So no, this view doesn't generally change depending on who's presence you are or are not in.MisterM2402 said:I know the term "plus-sized" is a euphemism for "fat", but do you still have to use it when she isn't around? It's just that "fat" is so much more efficient in conveying the idea, only having to type 3 lettersMacgyvercas said:
Well, I'm not sure why the word "fat" is offensive :S I'm tall and skinny and I'm fine with being called "tall and skinny" - I'd rather not be called "with above-average vertical qualities and of the slender persuasion"intheweeds said:Most people who use kind and unoffensive language do so because they desire to be kind and unoffensive. So no, this view doesn't generally change depending on who's presence you are or are not in.MisterM2402 said:I know the term "plus-sized" is a euphemism for "fat", but do you still have to use it when she isn't around? It's just that "fat" is so much more efficient in conveying the idea, only having to type 3 lettersMacgyvercas said:
As long as it's not used in an insulting way, there's no reason why adjectives such as "fat" or "thin" or "short" or "tall" or "bald" or "hairy" etc. need to be covered up by flowery language. Calling someone a "fat cow" on the other hand, now THAT'S offensive! "The ball is red... uh, I mean the ball reflects light that's carried in plus-sized wavelengths"
It's the same thing IMO as the use of the word 'fag'. Some find it offensive, some don't. But the fact that some do makes me want to find another word that doesn't offend anybody, which is quite easy most of the time. To me it's just the nice thing to do. Fat is used as a derogatory term by some, though admittedly not by others. You may not understand why it's offensive, and that's fine, but some do find it offensive so why not at least try to find another word?MisterM2402 said:Well, I'm not sure why the word "fat" is offensive :S I'm tall and skinny and I'm fine with being called "tall and skinny" - I'd rather not be called "with above-average vertical qualities and of the slender persuasion"intheweeds said:Most people who use kind and unoffensive language do so because they desire to be kind and unoffensive. So no, this view doesn't generally change depending on who's presence you are or are not in.MisterM2402 said:I know the term "plus-sized" is a euphemism for "fat", but do you still have to use it when she isn't around? It's just that "fat" is so much more efficient in conveying the idea, only having to type 3 lettersMacgyvercas said:
"The ball is red... uh, I mean the ball reflects light that's carried in plus-sized wavelengths"
You were suggesting that if the 'fat' girl isn't around why bother not saying it? Which in itself suggests that you realize the term would offend fat people. But I do appreciate what you are saying.
I'm well aware of this, and hesitated at this part a bit. I didn't want to get off topic to much, and I had to cut the presentation short, it was only suppose to be 5-10 minutes long, and it was being presented to non-gamers, so I didn't expect to be caught on my small mistakes, and I wasn't, so it went over nicely. Of course though, posting this Essay on a gamer forum for the world to see, I'm not surprised to see it picked apart. There is a lot of room for improvement, however admittedly they might be outside my personal writing abilities.UFOROMANTIC said:
You're right, however I skimped a bit on the details, as I didn't want to get to much off topic, and I knew no one in my class (Which were all non-gamers) wouldn't even have heard of Persona 4, let alone catch me on my small mistakes.Ordinaryundone said: