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[A-D.]

They were lumped in with the Witch Hunters, but you could use them without Inquisitors...not so much the other way around though. At the same time, the Grey Knights were lumped in with Daemon Hunters, so it wasn't unfair.

Hmmm...one example being Daemonifuge?

Yup, I was complaining about that when they happened. I think the WFHB Storm of Chaos thing was worse, the fluff basically said "and the fate of the world was about to be decided, but everyone got broed at the last moment and went home". Also very annoying as there was mention of stuff happening in Cathay in the far east...no models for that so anything goes, but they didn't bother.

Before that, Albion was about to decide the fate of the...nup.

Real shame, because they had some quite decent fluff leading up to it.

Eh, I liked the way they did the Dark Eldar myself. They were only briefly hinted at before they came out, though there was mention of piratical and savage eldar before.

But, they are added to the fluff without changing much, they were a minor faction, the webway meant they could be anywhere in the galaxy. So you could care about them if you wanted to, or ignore them if you didn't. GW didn't ram them down your throat, thye didn't alter your armies fluff.

The Tau...they undermined two of the biggest parts of 40k, that progress is just impossible and everyone is a bastard. Now you've good hippy commies who build new stuff and aren't that nasty. And they only live in a tiny area of space, but GW kept blathering on about them over and over.

The Necrons...suddenly they are the most evilest thing evah! and everyone has always known this, just nobody said it out loud. Meh...and by the time they changed it to tone it own, the fluff had settled down again so it again didn't work.

Nids are quite reasonable if down well, only, like everything else, they usually aren't.

Exactly my point though, the sort of fucked the Sororitas up by making them dependant on another army, mind you doing the same to the Grey Knights sucks as well, but the Grey Knights always were essentially the elite force of the Ordo Malleus so its less suprising there. Plus with rule changes you couldnt actually "request IG support" so to speak, i.e. use IG armies within a pure Sororitas army, so you had to take the shitty Witch Hunters vehicles.

I dont exactly remember which books the specific examples are from right now, might have been in there, though the numbers varry anyway, its either "a handful" or "a entire order" depending on how its interpreted, i basicly just went for "all female slaanesh crazy nun-warband", at least its allowed via the lore even if the rules arent exactly allowing them to be played, i basicly have to use a mixture of SoB and CM Rules for that army, since the SoB dont have specific rules about daemonic possessions and such.

The Inconclusive Event-War thing isnt really the only issue, it ties into how we got factions we dont really need, but none can be destroyed, or rather destroy the other because GW forces a stalemate indefinetly. Every major power has a Win-Scenario, that if it happens, everyone else is royally fucked. For example if the Imperium finds a 100% intact, working STC, everyone's screwed, except maybe Tyranids and Necrons. If the Eldar finish spawning their new god, Chaos is done for, so is the Emperor becoming a literal god, so i suppose the Imperium already has two. List goes on from there, but yes some factions are pointless because they dont really add much.

For example Dark Eldar arent really that different from normal Eldar, except they are supposedly more evil, but Eldar could have filled that role easily, might not raid for slaves, but for ressources instead. Plus there is at least one Eldar Pirate band afaik anyway. Dark Eldar are basicly unnecessary as a faction on their own. Same goes for Tyranids because their distinct purpose is already filled by the Necrons. After all their big doomsday scenario is "All Hivefleets attack at once", which is basicly the same as saying "All Necron Tombworlds go active at once", either way the galaxy is screwed and the Necrons are a more viable threat because they actually managed to fight the biggest, most advanced civilization in the entire history of 40K to a standstill. And the less said about the Tau the better.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Exactly my point though, the sort of fucked the Sororitas up by making them dependant on another army, mind you doing the same to the Grey Knights sucks as well, but the Grey Knights always were essentially the elite force of the Ordo Malleus so its less suprising there. Plus with rule changes you couldnt actually "request IG support" so to speak, i.e. use IG armies within a pure Sororitas army, so you had to take the shitty Witch Hunters vehicles.

You weren't dependant on them the SoB had lots of their own stuff. The penitent engines were theirs (I think), they ahd immolators and...that weird missile tank.

When did they get rid of the added IG?

List goes on from there, but yes some factions are pointless because they dont really add much.

I disagree...sure, they might not be needed, but that's not to say they are pointless...by that logic, why don't we have one SM chapter, one IG regiment, one Eldar craftworld and one chaos power? Having variations on the same thing isn't a problem...though when half of everything has to be a SM chapter, leaves little room for others.

 

[The_Longier]

It will be intresting to see how many people sell their shares and who buys them up, after all if enough people sell and the right person buys them we could see the Evil Empire slowly asset stripped. Granted at the moment its not very likely but by god they deserve it for the way they treat their customers.

 

[kael013]

I got into 40K through the novels (Cain, Dark Heresy, and Swallow's SoB duology). Since then I've wanted to build a collection of IG, SoBs, and Inquisition but quite a few things are stopping me. First is prices; they're absurd. Seriously, $30 for 10 models (IG Cadian Shock Troops)? Second, when it comes to models of people, I love posing. That's kinda hard to do when the models are 1 piece and made of metal (Sisters of Battle, arggghh...)! But the final nail in the coffin is that GW has the gall to change policy on online stores and make it really bloody hard to find bits for conversions out of some stupid belief that it'll undermine the fanbase or something (I mean, really, WTF?). Focusing on the most popular product lines is smart business, but even the less profitable ones have their fans. Dropping all work on them and leaving them to stagnate is really stupid. This has left me trying to find posable models that have a close look to 40K stuff -not that easy since GW are ruthless with protecting their 40K rights.

So, GW, you want my money? Make more of your models multi-part plastic kits, lower your ridiculous prices, STOP MAKING MODELS IN METAL (I've yet to meet a modeller who preferred metal to plastic), and let us buy individual pieces online.

 

[Samurai Rabbit]

Tried to get back into GW stuff, but just couldn't justify shelling out the cash. And I work full time, feel sorry for parents funding their kids' hobby.

What really irks me is the lack of support for their better games (IMO): Necromunda, Mordheim, Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic. I REALLY loved those games, but the focus on WH, WH40K and LOTR has alienated most of the tabletop guys I know.

I hope that a decent developer picks up the Necromunda licence and makes a competitive turn based strategy game. That would be awesome.

 

[The_Longier]

Tried to get back into GW stuff, but just couldn't justify shelling out the cash. And I work full time, feel sorry for parents funding their kids' hobby.

What really irks me is the lack of support for their better games (IMO): Necromunda, Mordheim, Bloodbowl, Battlefleet Gothic. I REALLY loved those games, but the focus on WH, WH40K and LOTR has alienated most of the tabletop guys I know.

I hope that a decent developer picks up the Necromunda licence and makes a competitive turn based strategy game. That would be awesome.

A New Necromunda would be good but sadly it isnt likely, Gangs of Mega city one is a worthy replacement by Mongoose.

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/ and the mini's are nice and you dont have to sell a kidney to get a good sized gang going.

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[Sir Shockwave]

Eh, not so worried about the price, me...though, got lots of things back when they were cheap.

OTOH, 40k and WHFB now is just awful. There's no care put into them anymore. Sure, the models are technically great, but they are generally bad ideas to begin with. Like the Star Wars prequels, great CGI of things that shouldn't be in the movie anyway.

I miss the days when introducing Tau and C'tan were the problems. Though, GW was about to go about of business back then as well, apparently, and never stoppled, according to the rumour mill.

Really hate the one-man stores, which are closed 2 days a week anyway. Would have popped in on Monday when I was in the area as well.

I remember those days - the days where you could get 20 Guardsmen for £20, you could get 30th place in a store campaign consisting of hundreds of people, and we had weird goodness like the Lost and the Damned and the 13th Company. Good times.

That said, well...


Also, there were rumors of an actual factual 40K AdMech army floating around last year for later this year/early 2015. So we might see them pull something like that to try and save the sinking ship.

More on topic though, lo and behold the end times have come. [http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/gw-changes-stores-closing-and-armies-no.html] Mark this as the harbinger of things to come.

 

[Thaluikhain]

More on topic though, lo and behold the end times have come. [http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/gw-changes-stores-closing-and-armies-no.html] Mark this as the harbinger of things to come.

No more Brets, Beasts, Wood Elves or Khemri? But...

Hell...though, last WE army book was 10 years ago. Time to join the squats and Chaos Dwarves and Fimir and Zoats...

 

[Sir Shockwave]

More on topic though, lo and behold the end times have come. [http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/gw-changes-stores-closing-and-armies-no.html] Mark this as the harbinger of things to come.

No more Brets, Beasts, Wood Elves or Khemri? But...

Hell...though, last WE army book was 10 years ago. Time to join the squats and Chaos Dwarves and Fimir and Zoats...

Bear in mind, rumors. There is a point that it could be wrong.

That said, it is very foreseeable that those 4 armies get the axe. And yet, WH40K still have five flavours of Space Marine...

 

[Thaluikhain]

Bear in mind, rumors. There is a point that it could be wrong.

That said, it is very foreseeable that those 4 armies get the axe. And yet, WH40K still have five flavours of Space Marine...

Yeah...I'd not see them be axed, though, just quietly forgotten about, always at the last of the list for upgrades.

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Bear in mind, rumors. There is a point that it could be wrong.

That said, it is very foreseeable that those 4 armies get the axe. And yet, WH40K still have five flavours of Space Marine...

Yeah...I'd not see them be axed, though, just quietly forgotten about, always at the last of the list for upgrades.

To be fair, Bretonians at least have had Models disappearing over the course of the past year or so slowly and steadily from the Website. On the UK Site, you can now order barely anything, and they have entire army sections completely missing.

Clearly, this is so GW can focus on what is truly important...putting a Necron...inside...of a Necron X3

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

But the final nail in the coffin is that GW has the gall to change policy on online stores and make it really bloody hard to find bits for conversions out of some stupid belief that it'll undermine the fanbase or something (I mean, really, WTF?). Focusing on the most popular product lines is smart business, but even the less profitable ones have their fans. Dropping all work on them and leaving them to stagnate is really stupid. This has left me trying to find posable models that have a close look to 40K stuff -not that easy since GW are ruthless with protecting their 40K rights.

So, GW, you want my money? Make more of your models multi-part plastic kits, lower your ridiculous prices, STOP MAKING MODELS IN METAL (I've yet to meet a modeller who preferred metal to plastic), and let us buy individual pieces online.

Try Scibor, MaxMini, Pig Iron, Curious constructs, AT-43, mercsminis, McVey studios.

Not necessarily poseable, and mainly just suitable for IG and conversions, though there are some "totally not an X, honest", especially on Scibor and MaxMini, and they aren't that much cheaper than GW (some are more expensive), but if you want some models that look a bit different then the above are good.

"and the fate of the world was about to be decided, but everyone got broed at the last moment and went home".

This is my favourite typo ever. Valten and Archaon flew at each other, shouting oaths to their gods, each vowing destruction on the other, swinging their deadly weapons at their sworn enemies. However, their first blows were angled such that their fists met instead of their weapons. BROFIST! At the sight of this beautiful gesture, both armies laid down their weapons and cried a single tear, before sitting down to drink beer and play Halo until everyone passed out. And thus was the Warhammer world saved.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Yeah...I'd not see them be axed, though, just quietly forgotten about, always at the last of the list for upgrades.

To be fair, Bretonians at least have had Models disappearing over the course of the past year or so slowly and steadily from the Website. On the UK Site, you can now order barely anything, and they have entire army sections completely missing.

Clearly, this is so GW can focus on what is truly important...putting a Necron...inside...of a Necron X3[/quote]

Oh yeah, no more of those stupid trebuchets...doesn't look good.

"and the fate of the world was about to be decided, but everyone got broed at the last moment and went home".

This is my favourite typo ever. Valten and Archaon flew at each other, shouting oaths to their gods, each vowing destruction on the other, swinging their deadly weapons at their sworn enemies. However, their first blows were angled such that their fists met instead of their weapons. BROFIST! At the sight of this beautiful gesture, both armies laid down their weapons and cried a single tear, before sitting down to drink beer and play Halo until everyone passed out. And thus was the Warhammer world saved.

I could almost claim that that wasn't a typo and justify it...

 

[chozo_hybrid]

This doesn't surprise me, it costs an absurd amount just for a squad of basic marines.

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Yeah...I'd not see them be axed, though, just quietly forgotten about, always at the last of the list for upgrades.

To be fair, Bretonians at least have had Models disappearing over the course of the past year or so slowly and steadily from the Website. On the UK Site, you can now order barely anything, and they have entire army sections completely missing.

Clearly, this is so GW can focus on what is truly important...putting a Necron...inside...of a Necron X3

Oh yeah, no more of those stupid trebuchets...doesn't look good.[/quote]

I could almost claim that that wasn't a typo and justify it... [/quote]

And the Grail Knights are gone on the UK Store, making the entire Rare Section completely empty. There are no more Questing Knights in Special either. Lords and Heroes are going to get vacuumed up quickly, and of course since the Bretonnian Standard Bearer model is no longer available, the army cannot be legally played anymore anyway (fun trivia: The Bretonnian army NEEDS a Standard Bearer in it's army as a compulsory option. Thank mercy the upgrade is at least free).

 

[Thaluikhain]

And the Grail Knights are gone on the UK Store, making the entire Rare Section completely empty. There are no more Questing Knights in Special either. Lords and Heroes are going to get vacuumed up quickly, and of course since the Bretonnian Standard Bearer model is no longer available, the army cannot be legally played anymore anyway (fun trivia: The Bretonnian army NEEDS a Standard Bearer in it's army as a compulsory option. Thank mercy the upgrade is at least free).

Australia still has those...not the standard bearer, though.

OTOH, as long as they have Empire knights, you could use them. Don't need two sets of humans if you are going to cut down.

Likewise, use the same models for all elves...works with lots of marines.

 

[major_chaos]

who needs Dark Eldar? Tau? Tyranids?

Why did you just list the three most fun to play armies in the game? Two of which (Dark Eldar, Tau) are very unique from a gameplay perspective and one of which (Dark Eldar) is one of the more interesting from a lore/design perspective? If anybody needs to go its all the bloody Space Marine chapters that they keep adding.

 

[Megalodon]

Holy shit, I was going to say this exact thing. I recently got into it with some friends and I'm still angry about the situation. I bought two kits (Space Wolves Battle Force and Battle Pack) and dropped $125 on them which didn't net me a 500 point army.

I hope I don't sound too much like a dick here, but how do you not have 500 points? The battleforce alone can make 585 or so. 5 Scouts with combat weapons, meltabombs and power weapon (115), Drop Pod (35), 9 Grey Hunters with Plasma Gun (145), 10 Grey Hunters with 2 Plasma Guns (160) and a Rune/Wolf Priest with Rune Armour and Wolf Tooth Necklace (130). Although a better option is taking at least 3 squads of Hunters so you can add Wolf Guard squad leader to them (which you have to take as Elites).

I wasn't familiar with it at the time, but then you have to spend hours and hours gluing and assembling them, then you are supposed to paint it. It just makes me angry as I think about it. Not only are they charging entirely too much for little pieces of plastic that require lots of work, but they put up this huge time barrier for the game on top of that. Can they make it any harder to play their damn game?

You do realise that the modelling and painting are as much aspects of the hobby as playing games? I've known peopel that barely played, but they enjoyed the painting, and people that couldn't paint, but still enjoyed playing the games It can indeed be annoying top paint the models sometimes (my least favourite of the three), but it helps makes your collection unique, my Space Wolf army feels far more 'mine' because I've modelled and painted it myself, rather than buying pre-painted minis.

Also, there were rumors of an actual factual 40K AdMech army floating around last year for later this year/early 2015. So we might see them pull something like that to try and save the sinking ship.

Forge World are kinda doing this as part of their Heresy range, with Ordo Reductor and Legio Cybernetica lists, which are slowly getting models.

More on topic though, lo and behold the end times have come. [http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/gw-changes-stores-closing-and-armies-no.html] Mark this as the harbinger of things to come.

Very sceptical of this. That site couldn't even get the breakdown of which Marine Chapters got which vehicles in the recent IA vol 2 2nd edition right. So I'll believe that when I see it from a credible source.

So, GW, you want my money? Make more of your models multi-part plastic kits, lower your ridiculous prices, STOP MAKING MODELS IN METAL (I've yet to meet a modeller who preferred metal to plastic), and let us buy individual pieces online.

No no no. Moving away from metal has been terrible. Finecast has been one of the wordt things the company have done in the last 16 years. More multi part plastics isn't bad, but I've rarely seen people complain about the old metals, with the 2 exception being zoanthropes and plastic-metal hybrids, both of which are pains to balance on a base properly.

I remember a time when a Codex was £8. Those were the days

Have to disagree with this, those 3rd ed dexes were barebones rules only affairs, it was a massive improvement when they went back to larger books with fluff in them. £30 for (admittedly nice) all colour hardbacks is a bit much though.

Slightly different perspective: Girl here.

The reason I stopped playing this was, well... The GW store people were pretty, pretty terrible (on the scale of "did you get lost, this isn't the hair stylist, lol" terrible) on top of a)even me realizing that the army lists were borked and, despite having a lot of money, b)my poor skaven army just getting too expensive for me. I really like painting miniatures and even playing, just...

...not like this.

And yeah, stop screwing with Sororitas, you jerks :/ That was the one 40k group I liked playing. And it's apparently the one army GW utterly despises, for some reason.

Where abouts did you encounter this? Because I've not observed this attitude in either of the stores I've regularly frequented over the years. While female players remain a sadly small minority, I've only ever witnessed them getting pretty much the same (if not friendlier) welcome that male players get.

This might be a bit inappropriate to ask, but have you encountered that sort of behavior from other groups/stores that deal with Miniatures? Mantic, Corvus Belli, Privateer Press? I ask because I'm trying to figure out if GW being thinly veiled misogynists is a quality exclusive to them and their fans or if it's prevalent throughout the entire industry.

To play Devil's Adovocate here, apart from doubting that "being thinly veiled misogynists" is pervasive across GW staff, it may be a simple loop. The attitude that GW isn't for girls exists, so it is entirely possible that staff can pick up shades of this belief. Working retail is a bullshit job at the best of times. So I can see how on a bad day, or after dealing with some awful customers, a staffer could assume that the girl who wanders into the shop isn't really into the hobby.

 

[webkilla]

I'll only ever start playing 40K again once I can get a nice 3D printer so I don't need to buy those ludicrously prices figures.

from when I started to play 40K to stopping they had lowered the number of figures in most boxes, upped prices like crazy - and reduced staff in all of their stores to the point that their service just sucked so bad

how they're still alive is beyond me

 

[Thaluikhain]

If anybody needs to go its all the bloody Space Marine chapters that they keep adding.

Yep...have one Codex for basicky chapters, one for angry ones and one for religious ones.

Then sell the same miniatures and let people convert and paint them differently.