GameStop Says Gamers Won't Buy Consoles Without Used Games

[Epona]

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.


The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

 

[Callate]

I think as an out-and-out statement of fact this would come as a surprise to, say, the people who have thrown in behind the Ouya.

But as far as the traditional $60 game-in-a-box market goes, he's probably got a point. I certainly wouldn't intentionally buy a product that had gone that far out of its way to introduce a feature solely to shore up a flagging business model and screw me over as a consumer.

 

[00slash00]

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.


The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

now youre the one who needs to reread the post your commenting on. i never said i havent been to a used game store. i said ive never been to a used game store that accepts pc games and i asked why trading in console games is such a big deal when pc gamers dont care about the fact that they wont be able to trade in their old games. i can tell you right now based on my experience trading in used games, especially at gamestop, that i would need to trade in a shit ton of games just to be able to afford a single new game. how often do you really think money from trade ins are going toward buying a new game and not just another used one? especially with places like gamestop actively discouraging customers from buying games new. im sorry but i dont think used games are helping the industry as much as you think

 

[00slash00]

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.


The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

now youre the one who needs to reread the post your commenting on. i never said i havent been to a used game store. i said ive never been to a used game store that accepts pc games and i asked why trading in console games is such a big deal when pc gamers dont care about the fact that they wont be able to trade in their old games. i can tell you right now based on my experience trading in used games, especially at gamestop, that i would need to trade in a shit ton of games just to be able to afford a single new game. how often do you really think money from trade ins are going toward buying a new game and not just another used one? especially with places like gamestop actively discouraging customers from buying games new. im sorry but i dont think used games are helping the industry as much as you think

First of all, learn to use capitalization and punctuation. That would help people to not get lost while reading your posts.

Secondly, we used to be able to sell PC games used but we lost that because no one fought back. We don't want the console market to end up that way. If it weren't for Steam there would be no PC games industry because without those Steam sales, no one would buy $60 games they can't resell when they could just buy the same game on consoles. It is your opinion that PC gamers don't care about used games. What universe are you living in where PC gamers are not also console gamers?

Every new console game I have purchased in the past couple of years has been subsidized by trade ins. I simply can't afford to drop $60 for every game I want. Without used games I will be buying fewer games and I am not the only one. I have never seen Gamestop actively discourage me to buy a new game.

Now, when you respond to me, act like you took an English Composition class or I won't bother reading it.

this is a forum, im not being graded on my grammer. no one else seems to have trouble understanding what i write but if you choose to not read it then thats entirely up to you. you just seem to be acting rude for the sake of acting rude. theres no need for that when we are just having a conversation. the pc maket would still exist without steam but it just became easier to use steam. there are many people who buy games without any intention of selling them, myself included. the pc vs console debate has shown up on this site many times. there are totally people who just play pc or just play console. every time i buy a new game at gamestop and even when i bought a ps3, they tried to convince me to buy the used version instead. that is actively trying to deny developers money that i was planning to give them. for that reason, the money from trading in games often goes to buying more used games, not new ones. this is not helping the game industry, its helping gamestop

 

[Epona]

Agreed! If you can't afford a new car,then you should just walk and don't go renting a car or taking a taxi/bus either because that too would be denying money to the auto industry. Don't go thinking you can help subsidize the cost of a new car by trading in your old one either, your old one won't work for anyone else so it's has no value at resell.

because walking is the only option to people without a car. oh if only there existed some sort of public transportation...

that example is a little silly. if video games are as important to you as the ability to get from place to place, then you definitely need to reexamine where your priorities lie. as someone who is primarily a pc gamer these days, explain to me why its such a big deal that you cant trade in console games. ive never been to a used game store (including gamestop) that allowed me to sell my old pc games (not in a very long time anyway, not since the days of eb games). but when i buy a pc game, be it physical or digital, i have never thought to myself "i wont be able to sell this when im done so whats the point?"

That first sentence leads me to believe that you didn't read my post. I already addressed public transportation as using taxi's and busses without giving any money to the auto industry. Same kind of bullshit people say about used/rented/borrowed games.


The example is fine, the First Sale Doctrine doesn't care how important something is, you bought it and you have a right to resell it. Doesn't matter if it's a car or a videogame. If you've never been to a used game store then I say that you are talking about something you have no experience with. People trade in games so they can fund the purchase of new games, it is why the game industry has grown as big as it has. Without used games people will simply buy fewer games and the industry will shrink.

now youre the one who needs to reread the post your commenting on. i never said i havent been to a used game store. i said ive never been to a used game store that accepts pc games and i asked why trading in console games is such a big deal when pc gamers dont care about the fact that they wont be able to trade in their old games. i can tell you right now based on my experience trading in used games, especially at gamestop, that i would need to trade in a shit ton of games just to be able to afford a single new game. how often do you really think money from trade ins are going toward buying a new game and not just another used one? especially with places like gamestop actively discouraging customers from buying games new. im sorry but i dont think used games are helping the industry as much as you think

First of all, learn to use capitalization and punctuation. That would help people to not get lost while reading your posts.

Secondly, we used to be able to sell PC games used but we lost that because no one fought back. We don't want the console market to end up that way. If it weren't for Steam there would be no PC games industry because without those Steam sales, no one would buy $60 games they can't resell when they could just buy the same game on consoles. It is your opinion that PC gamers don't care about used games. What universe are you living in where PC gamers are not also console gamers?

Every new console game I have purchased in the past couple of years has been subsidized by trade ins. I simply can't afford to drop $60 for every game I want. Without used games I will be buying fewer games and I am not the only one. I have never seen Gamestop actively discourage me to buy a new game.

Now, when you respond to me, act like you took an English Composition class or I won't bother reading it.

this is a forum, im not being graded on my grammer. no one else seems to have trouble understanding what i write but if you choose to not read it then thats entirely up to you. you just seem to be acting rude for the sake of acting rude. theres no need for that when we are just having a conversation. the pc maket would still exist without steam but it just became easier to use steam. there are many people who buy games without any intention of selling them, myself included. the pc vs console debate has shown up on this site many times. there are totally people who just play pc or just play console. every time i buy a new game at gamestop and even when i bought a ps3, they tried to convince me to buy the used version instead. that is actively trying to deny developers money that i was planning to give them. for that reason, the money from trading in games often goes to buying more used games, not new ones. this is not helping the game industry, its helping gamestop

Just because it's a forum doesn't mean good grammar isn't appreciated. Your wall of text is hard to read and it really only makes you look bad if you refuse to change it.

I read only the first two sentences this time.

 

[00slash00]

Just because it's a forum doesn't mean good grammar isn't appreciated. Your wall of text is hard to read and it really only makes you look bad if you refuse to change it.

I read only the first two sentences this time.

well then i take it this debate is over. cant say im too disappointed. in the future please try to borrow less from the bill o'reily school of debate. its quite possible to debate someone and still be polite. i dont feel theres anything wrong with my grammer and im sorry that my lack of capitalization bothers you so much but you are the first person to ever get upset with me over it. considering the amount of messages i receive and the informal nature of this site, i see no need to write formally

 

[Something Amyss]

Translation: 'We won't make as much money without used games.'

They may have a point, but when a lot of their bottom line is gained from huge profit margins from used games, would you expect anything different?

The problem with that statement is that Gamestop is the cornerstone of gaming retail, so powerful that publishers actually bend over backwards to give them exclusive DLC and deals to work around online passes. Even as you point out the supposed self-serving nature of their statement, aren't you reinforcing its validity?

 

[Something Amyss]

I can't imagine risking my cash on a product that may or may not be even viable.

That's funny, I thought you said you were a PC gamer.

 

[wulf3n]

if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

 

[00slash00]

if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

um...what? i read this several times and i cant really tell if your agreeing with me or not.

 

[Epona]

Just because it's a forum doesn't mean good grammar isn't appreciated. Your wall of text is hard to read and it really only makes you look bad if you refuse to change it.

I read only the first two sentences this time.

well then i take it this debate is over. cant say im too disappointed. in the future please try to borrow less from the bill o'reily school of debate. its quite possible to debate someone and still be polite. i dont feel theres anything wrong with my grammer and im sorry that my lack of capitalization bothers you so much but you are the first person to ever get upset with me over it. considering the amount of messages i receive and the informal nature of this site, i see no need to write formally

Everything I had to say was said anyway, no need to repeat myself over and over again. Still, I think you should look into making your posts more readable.

 

[wulf3n]

if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

um...what? i read this several times and i cant really tell if your agreeing with me or not.

I'm disagreeing with you.

 

[Epona]

if your budget is so tight that a $60 game is out of your price range then you need to re-examine your priorities.

That's stupid logic.

You word it as though said person can't afford $60 at all, when in actuality it's more a case of can't spend $60 on a luxury item.

The priorities have already been examined, as such they're not spending that amount of money on games! That's where used games come in. It allows people with tight budgets to still gain access to luxury items.

um...what? i read this several times and i cant really tell if your agreeing with me or not.

They are saying that a person who buys a game used has already set their priorities and decided not to spend $60 on that game.

 

[Xanadu84]

If used games drive customers away, publishers will have to lower prices to draw customers back in. Which, without used games cutting into the publishers bottom line, they will be capable of doing. The end result is fewer middlemen between the customer and the game, which will be good for everyone except Gamestop.

Sure, there is likely to be a time where publishers try to reap the rewards of a disappearing used games market without cutting prices. After all, of course people buying used games are going to SAY that they wouldn't buy a console if they couldn't buy used games because its in there interest to say that, but about as many will heed that advice as those that move out of the country when there presidential candidate loses. But they still will buy those consoles. But one problem at a time.

 

[wulf3n]

It's surprising the number of people here willing to throw away what few remaining consumer rights they have regarding video games.

 

[Epona]

If used games drive customers away, publishers will have to lower prices to draw customers back in. Which, without used games cutting into the publishers bottom line, they will be capable of doing. The end result is fewer middlemen between the customer and the game, which will be good for everyone except Gamestop.

Sure, there is likely to be a time where publishers try to reap the rewards of a disappearing used games market without cutting prices. After all, of course people buying used games are going to SAY that they wouldn't buy a console if they couldn't buy used games because its in there interest to say that, but about as many will heed that advice as those that move out of the country when there presidential candidate loses. But they still will buy those consoles. But one problem at a time.

No used games isn't just bad for Gamestop, it's bad for everyone. When a game goes out of print, there will be no way to obtain a working copy of that game. Now think about that for a minute, do you have any out of print games in your library? Do you lack some out of print games?

Also, Gamestop isn't the only seller of used games. Look on eBay, Amazon, garage sales, etc....

Killing the used game market is anti-consumer.

Now look, I am telling you that I bought a lot fewer games new this gen due to the higher price and when I did buy games new, I traded in old games to offset the cost. I can't pull money out of my ass just because publishers want me to. I, and I am sure I am not alone, will just buy fewer games. You say that will result in price cuts, I say that if there are too many price cuts that they will be making less than they are now.

I think it's more likely that they will phase out physical copies (by shipping limited quantities) and leaning heavily on digital distribution where shelf space is not a factor and they never have to drop prices. You go on putting your faith in greedy publishers, I won't.

I am glad Gamestop is finally starting to publicly stand up to the publishers. They sat back and watched as Project $10 and online passes were implemented. Seems like they should have fought back a few years ago before it got to this but they didn't....that we know of.

 

[otakon17]

So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

If I don't have a physical copy, used or not, and if the console requires CONSTANT internet access in order to turn the damn thing on, I might as well just give up gaming all together.

This right here, I like being able to play games without having to worry about other stuff. Man sometimes I miss the days of cartridges.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

I'm sure it will hurt console sales. Any negative change for the consumers such as this will. Is it more damaging than used game sales though? Probably not. I don't care either way. I haven't bought a single used game in over 7 years, and don't plan to. If I want a game, I buy it at full price on release day. I only buy 2-3 games a year anyways.

Also, of course GameStop has to say this. It's a threat to their very existence. They'd be dumb *not* to speak out against this.

 

[Jesse Billingsley]

So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

If I don't have a physical copy, used or not, and if the console requires CONSTANT internet access in order to turn the damn thing on, I might as well just give up gaming all together.

This right here, I like being able to play games without having to worry about other stuff. Man sometimes I miss the days of cartridges.

Still got my N64 Bro! Shout out to Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Mario 64!

OT: I have a feeling that Microsoft and Sony (should these rumors prove to be true) are going to end up shooting themselves in the face. I predict a massive drop in the in console gaming, and a massive increase in things like Steam, Free to play games, and PC gaming in general because most of the games do not require internet access to play them, and the ones that do can run on a standard computer with enough RAMM.

 

[Nazulu]

So guys, how many of you would refuse to buy a console that didn't play used games?

If I don't have a physical copy, used or not, and if the console requires CONSTANT internet access in order to turn the damn thing on, I might as well just give up gaming all together.

This right here, I like being able to play games without having to worry about other stuff. Man sometimes I miss the days of cartridges.

Agreed. The only thing I had to concern myself with back then is which game will be the most fun?