Gay Gamers Want Dragon Age 2 Writer Fired
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Well, since all you pathetic humans are quite delicious on rye bread with cheese... I think that I'll just avoid this topic altogether. Except for to say that your obviously misplaced anger only makes the succulent human-meat all the better. Especially in gravy.
Signed,
Lord Kraglemesch, The Conqueror
(It amazes me that the petition actually got enough attention to warrant an article at all. What a sad, sad world we all live in.)
Signed,
Lord Kraglemesch, The Conqueror
(It amazes me that the petition actually got enough attention to warrant an article at all. What a sad, sad world we all live in.)
Well, it's good to see all the straight people on this thread demonstrating their relative maturity and mental stability in proportion to the content of the article.. It's always good to be reminded of the kind of acceptance and love you've shown the LGBT community over the years.
I literally can't find the words for how disgusting it is that some horrible fag would dare to suggest that a representation of a bisexual man written by a predominantly straight writing team in an attempt to market a game could be in any way stereotyped. After all, we know that you love and accept each and every one of us as individuals, and have never in your entire lives reduced us to stereotypes or tropes. I can't begin to imagine what kind of horrible person could ever have got such an impression.
That said, your reactions in this thread have certainly shown me the true value of heterosexuality. It's too bad that, thanks to idiots like this, we can never live up to your incredible standards of acceptance and tolerance, and will be forever blinded by our own pettiness and random prejudices. Please forgive us for not being more grateful than we are.
I literally can't find the words for how disgusting it is that some horrible fag would dare to suggest that a representation of a bisexual man written by a predominantly straight writing team in an attempt to market a game could be in any way stereotyped. After all, we know that you love and accept each and every one of us as individuals, and have never in your entire lives reduced us to stereotypes or tropes. I can't begin to imagine what kind of horrible person could ever have got such an impression.
That said, your reactions in this thread have certainly shown me the true value of heterosexuality. It's too bad that, thanks to idiots like this, we can never live up to your incredible standards of acceptance and tolerance, and will be forever blinded by our own pettiness and random prejudices. Please forgive us for not being more grateful than we are.
Which, I'm pretty sure, is the dilemma all politicians must face.Daemascus said:
I believe the solution for the politician is to please everyone, which in turns dissappoints everyone else, but it balances out to an approximately equal and minimal disappointment for everyone. What the solution is for a game designer, I wouldn't have a clue, seeing as if you disappoint everyone, your game fails, and if you don't, then you've deliberately screwed over one or more demegraphics, which will get people playing the 'discrimination card' until pigs fly.
Captcha: Jack examing
Assuming 'examing' is the active verb of 'exam', what is Jack 'examing' exactly? Honestly, these captchas are becoming more and more movie cliff-hangers than anti-bot protocols.
You know I was just thinking about this now that I've had a chance to get some distance and think about it objectively, and you know what I'm even more angry with the idiot running this partition.
Here we've got a rarity in video games, a studio and a writer willing to write homosexual characters into their games, and rather then celebrating the fact, he wants the writer sacked because he isn't happy with the quality of the work.
It's staggering in it's short sightedness, it's one thing to have an issue with how the characters are written, heck I've got a few issues with the writing in DA2 myself, but offer constructive criticism to the writer, don't demand his head on a plate; he, and Bioware, at least are trying which is more then the vast majority of developers and writers in the games industry can claim.
Here we've got a rarity in video games, a studio and a writer willing to write homosexual characters into their games, and rather then celebrating the fact, he wants the writer sacked because he isn't happy with the quality of the work.
It's staggering in it's short sightedness, it's one thing to have an issue with how the characters are written, heck I've got a few issues with the writing in DA2 myself, but offer constructive criticism to the writer, don't demand his head on a plate; he, and Bioware, at least are trying which is more then the vast majority of developers and writers in the games industry can claim.
hmmm...
well in my experience of working and socialising with easily more than 60% of all the people i know being gay or bi. The people who are the biggest culprits for stereotyping gays, are gays. I have never been in another social group where not only is everyone labelled with a badge but they all love it and all play up to it acting so stereotypically that you could use them for some kind of spotters guide.
In fact i'm probably one of the only ones in that circle that isn't a stereotype, known as "straight gaz" or "the straight guy" when introducing me to people. yet after knowing them for years I've picked up a quite a few "camp" mannerisms lol
I haven't played DA2 but I imagine like most fantasy game characters they are over the top larger than life characters focusing on a single point of their personality.
I'm told this is done so that it can transcend language barriers etc but it suspect its lazy writing.
well in my experience of working and socialising with easily more than 60% of all the people i know being gay or bi. The people who are the biggest culprits for stereotyping gays, are gays. I have never been in another social group where not only is everyone labelled with a badge but they all love it and all play up to it acting so stereotypically that you could use them for some kind of spotters guide.
In fact i'm probably one of the only ones in that circle that isn't a stereotype, known as "straight gaz" or "the straight guy" when introducing me to people. yet after knowing them for years I've picked up a quite a few "camp" mannerisms lol
I haven't played DA2 but I imagine like most fantasy game characters they are over the top larger than life characters focusing on a single point of their personality.
I'm told this is done so that it can transcend language barriers etc but it suspect its lazy writing.
Well we cant please everyone. But to try and get someone fired for it? Thats like saying I go into a shop and buy some bread, then get it closed down because it's not like the bread down the road.
Today's Penny Arcade (01/04/11) is on this subject and while I am loathe to hide behind the text of a superior writer, I completely agree with this paragraph from the news section:
And to those of you who have a problem with Anders flirting with your male character, you need to ask your self about that. Why do you feel uncomfortable about the idea of one male fictional character interacting in this way with another male fictional character, who while representative of you is not actually you?
And as for people getting angry because they got Rivalry points for turning him down, gee, maybe relations are more complex than just being as nice as possible all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if Anders felt as if the player was leading him on, what with the gifts, frequent favours and visits. In between saving each others lives in dramatic fashion. How come these overzealous people didn't come out of the woodwork over Zevran in Origins? If you turned him down you got a far more significant loss in approval which was even more important in Origins. Doubly so in Zevran's case, because if you suffered the approval loss for turning him down, there was a very good chance he'd try to kill you later on. Presumably this didn't get brought up for the same reason Fenris isn't brought up here, because they're elves and it's not gay if it's with an elf.
I think it's amazing that people still expect games, even ones which have a relatively dark story like Dragon Age 2, to do nothing but things that please them. Haven't you ever seen a film or play that made you feel uncomfortable? Why is this not allowed in a game?
And to those of you who have a problem with Anders flirting with your male character, you need to ask your self about that. Why do you feel uncomfortable about the idea of one male fictional character interacting in this way with another male fictional character, who while representative of you is not actually you?
And as for people getting angry because they got Rivalry points for turning him down, gee, maybe relations are more complex than just being as nice as possible all the time. I wouldn't be surprised if Anders felt as if the player was leading him on, what with the gifts, frequent favours and visits. In between saving each others lives in dramatic fashion. How come these overzealous people didn't come out of the woodwork over Zevran in Origins? If you turned him down you got a far more significant loss in approval which was even more important in Origins. Doubly so in Zevran's case, because if you suffered the approval loss for turning him down, there was a very good chance he'd try to kill you later on. Presumably this didn't get brought up for the same reason Fenris isn't brought up here, because they're elves and it's not gay if it's with an elf.
Yeah, cry us a river.
I just started Act 2, and I don't think he was too aggressive as there was just a lot of times where my character, a Lady Hawke, could give a flirtatious comment. I simply chose a different option. Sure, depending on my response Anders might start going all SuperSaiya-jin Anders on me, but he never seemed intrusive.
I just started Act 2, and I don't think he was too aggressive as there was just a lot of times where my character, a Lady Hawke, could give a flirtatious comment. I simply chose a different option. Sure, depending on my response Anders might start going all Super
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what the ...?
cliches in a modern fantasy rpg?
how dares Gaider?! while everyone else at every other company in every other medium is always, onehundredpercent, positively, absolutely original and totally not using simplifications? and how can he imply that there actually are people who are ruled by their biological imperative?
that's outrageous! burn him on the stake! heretic!
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what the ...?
cliches in a modern fantasy rpg?
how dares Gaider?! while everyone else at every other company in every other medium is always, onehundredpercent, positively, absolutely original and totally not using simplifications? and how can he imply that there actually are people who are ruled by their biological imperative?
that's outrageous! burn him on the stake! heretic!
I don't remember Anders ever making a move on me, despite playing as a male. Regardless, this guy is a fucking idiot.
I think this may be going a bit too far.
I haven't played DA2, but I am an avid Mass Effect fan and I take issue with some cultural allusions which can be linked to various cultures that haven't got roots in the dominant Western economic hegemony. My interpretation of these allusions is somewhat cynical, however I can let them fly as ME doesn't aim to be political.
I'm certain that Dragon Age 2 does not aim to be political, either. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I haven't played DA2, but I am an avid Mass Effect fan and I take issue with some cultural allusions which can be linked to various cultures that haven't got roots in the dominant Western economic hegemony. My interpretation of these allusions is somewhat cynical, however I can let them fly as ME doesn't aim to be political.
I'm certain that Dragon Age 2 does not aim to be political, either. Correct me if I'm wrong.
OH MY GOD! THIS IS COMPLETE NEWS TO ME! I HAD NO IDEA I WANTED DAVID GAIDER FIRED!
Oh wait no I don't and the vast majority of gay gamers don't. And nobody in this game is "homosexual" they're bisexual.
Dear God people are idiots.
Oh wait no I don't and the vast majority of gay gamers don't. And nobody in this game is "homosexual" they're bisexual.
Dear God people are idiots.
This.TwistedEllipsis said:
In other words the complaint is just complaining for the sake of complaining. Also there needs to be some limit on how far you can see something as wrong. I mean if we look hard enough I'm sure one can find all sorts of discrimination. Where will it end? Shall we limit the breaths people take in order to not use up all the air? Perhaps everyone should only wear one color each day as to not offend people who do not like another color.
Jesus christ, I'm actually ashamed to be gay now.
Well, not really, but I'm embarrassed for that idiot. I mean, SERIOUSLY, the dude is looking a gift horse in the mouth. Never mind the fact that BioWare has actively defended their stance on including "serious" homosexual plots in their 2 biggest gaming series, now this imbecile wants to take it personally and derail the positive position that BW has taken.
FFS, it's not like all of the straight characters are all realistic in games. He needs to go outside and actually interact with people so that a video game doesn't affect his childish sensibilities so harshly.
Well, not really, but I'm embarrassed for that idiot. I mean, SERIOUSLY, the dude is looking a gift horse in the mouth. Never mind the fact that BioWare has actively defended their stance on including "serious" homosexual plots in their 2 biggest gaming series, now this imbecile wants to take it personally and derail the positive position that BW has taken.
FFS, it's not like all of the straight characters are all realistic in games. He needs to go outside and actually interact with people so that a video game doesn't affect his childish sensibilities so harshly.