Gay Relationships

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

I find sex same relationships totally acceptable. The genitalia involved is not the critical thing for me, age is the factor I am concerned about. If both are consenting adults, go for it. I have no business dictating the path two adults have directing their lives sexually, financially and emotionally. If someone underage is risked in physical/sexual abuse, then I have all the objections!

Basically same sex is okay, pedophilia I have words for you. And possibly a baseball bat if need be.

 

[Dizchu]

Problem is sustaining the polygamous relationship. Eventually, somebody will feel neglected.

Not necessarily. Also people in monogamous relationships feel neglected all the time, it just depends on the kind of people involved. Some may even feel less neglected in polyamorous relationships because if one person can't give them attention, someone else could. That said, it's definitely not for everyone. Just like monogamy.

 

[Vivi22]

Not only am I fine with gay relationships, I'll take it a few steps farther and say that there is no other view which is rationally or morally acceptable and anyone who disagrees is objectively wrong and on the wrong side of history. They will also likely spend much of their lives embarrassing their children and grandchildren with their absurd beliefs, assuming they aren't the type that end up having a gay child that they drive to suicide.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

it's doesnt matter if a civil marriage is between two men, two women or a man and a woman. it's not a gay marriage, it's just a marriage that doesnt involve God...

I'm probably being overly semantic here, but I don't think a marriage that isn't performed or blessed by a religious institution is missing a spiritual component. The spiritual aspect (or lack thereof) can be whatever the couple in question wishes it to be. I doubt that two gay Catholics would consider their marriage less blessed or, at worst, null and void because the Vatican thinks that they own the only correctly interpreted message of God, and thus refused the couple a church wedding.

One of my core beliefs is that deity in all of its forms isn't anything that we can fully understand in these human bodies, yet it exists everywhere.

And sorry if I AM being overly semantic - I'm not trying to get preachy. I'm just an agnostic (not to be confused with atheist) lesbian who believes that love is stronger than human blindness or willful ignorance.

Nice to see someone else who can articulate my own feelings better than I can (minus the whole lesbian thing but thats a different topic). Thank you for summing up something I've been sort of struggling with to communicate without coming off the wrong way.

 

[Kotaro]

As someone who's bisexual, I have known a number of people both male and female to whom I've been attracted. And one of my best friends is currently in a homosexual relationship.

....I find same sex relationships ok, and I find it should be allowed all over the world that marriage is allowed. If you love someone, you love them...end of discussion....

This is pretty much exactly what I think on the matter. Love is love, and that should be celebrated*.

*When it's between two consenting adults. Feel I should specify, just in case some asshole decides to accuse me of being okay with paedophilia or something.

....I fell in love with her personality...so even if it were of the same sex..I think I wouldve fallen love regardless....

That is the kind of relationship I want to have. Kudos to you, good sir.

So we're pretty much all fine and dandy with homosexuality, but what about polygamy? How do people feel about someone's ability to have more than one true love and how would they feel if their significant other proposed the idea?

I see no problem with it as long as everyone involved is okay with it.

 

[the_dramatica]

@jim trailor
it was a bad year for video games and video game drama, what can we say. Hopefully 2015 opens up with some suicide bombings and corporate corruption so we have more interesting topics.

I personally would like seeing some Muslim faction declaring Jihad on a video game developer.

 

[Glaice]

I am in full support of this and same sex marriages, having both gay & transgender friends and been to a gay wedding. It is 2015 and still not the entire world is not 100% universal (esp. developed countries) with this and it disappoints me.

 

[kingthrall]

Somebody think of the priests for a change. Marriage is a religious ceremony and gay people trying to force the hand of the church to get married is just insane to me. You cant change the words in the bible, you burn in hell for being gay simple as that as its a sin written in the bible. I would of thought homosexual people would have better understanding about forcing life values on others especially priests to certify and betray their sworn oaths to the church. Yes im taking it from a christian/catholic perspective as a example.

That doesn't mean im against getting some sort of certificate to say two of the same sex are a couple under some official external ceremony even though I find it morally wrong it would be the right thing to do to make everyone happy.

Finally there should be no bonuses/penalties for same sex couples to hetro couples the rules should be the same.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know nobody is trying to force churches to conduct marriages to don't agree with, but rather they want gay marriage to be recognised by the state.

Also, the Bible is very open to interpretation, and the idea that being gay is a sin is not set in stone, contrary to what many people think.

the terminology marriage should not be used. its politically incorrect is my point as well. Also the bible like all holy books are in black and white , its not open to interpretation if its written as a sin.

 

[San Martin]

Somebody think of the priests for a change. Marriage is a religious ceremony and gay people trying to force the hand of the church to get married is just insane to me. You cant change the words in the bible, you burn in hell for being gay simple as that as its a sin written in the bible. I would of thought homosexual people would have better understanding about forcing life values on others especially priests to certify and betray their sworn oaths to the church. Yes im taking it from a christian/catholic perspective as a example.

That doesn't mean im against getting some sort of certificate to say two of the same sex are a couple under some official external ceremony even though I find it morally wrong it would be the right thing to do to make everyone happy.

Finally there should be no bonuses/penalties for same sex couples to hetro couples the rules should be the same.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know nobody is trying to force churches to conduct marriages to don't agree with, but rather they want gay marriage to be recognised by the state.

Also, the Bible is very open to interpretation, and the idea that being gay is a sin is not set in stone, contrary to what many people think.

the terminology marriage should not be used. its politically incorrect is my point as well. Also the bible like all holy books are in black and white , its not open to interpretation if its written as a sin.

Oh, I see. You're wrong on both points. No religion has a monopoly over the word 'marriage', so we can use it until our heads explode if we so choose. Also, the Bible most certainly is not black and white in this regard. If it weren't so open to interpretation, I highly doubt it would have had the historical success it has done.

 

[Ryan Minns]

Straight male who grew up with a very anti gay family and quite simply... fuck who you want! I'd say love but honestly that limits how open I am to anything. If zero harm is caused (Unless that's the desire of all involved) I have no issues with absolutely ANYTHING.

 

[CarlsonAndPeeters]

I think Arj Barker said it best:


(if you don't get it, the bit at the end is sarcasm)

But yeah, gay people, straight people, bi people, trans people, polyamorous people, people with fetishes, people without fetishes, sexually active people, asexual people, whatever. It's all great and if you can be happy and make other people happy, then I'm not just okay with it, I'll actively support it.

 

[Vault101]

So, if I'm straight because that simply how I am, why would someone go against that and choose to be gay? Especially considering how difficult that sort of life can be. And I realized that a person wouldn't choose that.

The Onion had a great article called something like "baby chooses to be gay," which perfectly sums up this point you made. Indeed a lot of gay people would not choose to be attracted to the same gender and make many aspects of our lives more difficult. But we are. And possibly as early as life in the womb, that switch to being attracted to the same gender is already set.

I know this probably isn't what you meant but while the [I/]"its not a choice"[/I] argument would be important for some people too accept themselves,at some point weather or not its [I/]"a choice"[/I] becomes utterly irrelevant

it doesn't matter if its a choice or not, by emphasising the lack of choice you're buying into the idea that its "wrong" on some level

there ARE challenges that aren't Bourne from bigotry, that's for sure BUT there's also some cool stuff about being gay and or "gay culture" [sub/]and bad but that's just people for you[/sub]

everything else...its not the gays who have the problem

 

[Vault101]

Believe it or not, gay people exist and are often shunned by society, and in many places aren't equal under the law. I fail to see anything wrong with discussing a topic that is relevant to the issues of society today.

I'd like to ask you why this thread's existance bothers you so much.

its because a lot of people [sub/](of a certain demographic *cough*)[/sub] operate under the assumption that things that appeal to or relate to "them" are the standard of "normal"

anything that deviates from "normal" is not important/irrelevant/should be put in its own little space so "normal" people don't have to think about it

its essentially "defaulting" and the source of a lot of stupid shit on the internet [sub/](like a certain movement *cough*)[/sub]

 

[Belaam]

If you can legally sign a contract, you should be able to sign a marriage license with the person of your choice. My rule of thumb is always, "unless I'm hoping to have a romantic relationship with you, your orientation doesn't impact my life at all." I absolutely do not see a difference in banning gay marriage and banning women from going outside without headscarves or banning the consumption of pork or shellfish. If you have religious rules that prohibit something, and your religious rules are important to you, the feel free to follow those rules. But mandating that others follow your personal religious views just makes you an arse.

 

[Floppertje]

My opinion on this is that my opinion (or anyone else's) doesn't matter.
Ok, it does, because for some reason we need seperate laws for this and those seem to need voting on occasionally, but my point is our opinions SHOULDN'T matter. Image if someone goes 'You're marrying someone with purple hair and I strongly disapprove!'
The only response to that you'll get is something along the lines of 'So? I don't even know you, why should I give a fuck what you think?'

Hating people you don't know because of things that don't affect you in any way is really stupid. We need to learn to despise people on a personal level!

 

[wAriot]

Well, I've had a couple of "strong" relationships with females, one with a male.
I have to say that, coincidence or not, both females were (at least in comparison with the male) quite crazy. The bad kind of crazy.
Never had any problem with my male partner, though. Aside from a weird look or two, but I suppose they were less because we were the same gender, and more because he was one head taller than me (and yet much more feminine).
Not sure what else can I add to this topic that wasn't said already. People will have all kinds of opinions; as long as they keep them to themselves, I don't give a damn.

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To be fair, two people kissing in public (not a peck on the lips, I mean kissing kissing) makes me very uncomfortable, whether they are of the same gender or not.

 

[San Martin]

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You really must be daft, Of course you can interpret some things but if something is a SIN , it is "A SIN" so your point as valiant attempt it was is completely invalid.

Oh and marriage is a religious word. go look it up. It is a word used to dictate the union of two in holy "matrimony/wedlock" because as stated in point one, homosexuality is a SIN (you might want to double check in your case) it can not be a marriage since it is committing sin.

Also someone find me a proper region where gayness is openly allowed as in a marriage ceromony. The big five Budhist, Christian, Catholic, Islam, Judaism. Hinduism is kind of 50/50ish so its probably the only one you may get away with using it but they probably have a native word not marriage something else called for a union so its most likely a null argument.

Of course, the only possible reason I could disagree is my own stupidity. That's very mature of you.

Look, to say homosexuality is a sin is a common and perfectly valid interpretation of Scripture. However, there are others. For example, some would argue that Christ's sacrifice on the cross erased the laws of the Old Testament, thus removing previous prohibitions upon homosexuality.

I don't know why you think marriage is a purely religious word. In fact, many 17th century puritans made it a civil ceremony, precisely because it wasn't considered to be one of the sacraments laid out in the Bible. Obviously that's only one particular case, but it demonstrates that matrimony does not always have to be a religious institution.

But what do I know? As you say, I'm completely daft.

 

[cathou]

Oh and marriage is a religious word. go look it up. It is a word used to dictate the union of two in holy "matrimony/wedlock" because as stated in point one, homosexuality is a SIN (you might want to double check in your case) it can not be a marriage since it is committing sin.

oh, i'm sorry, let's see what the Webster have to say about this :

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

(2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock

c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage

2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities


3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry ? J. T. Shawcross>

but that's a UK dictionnary, let's see what's the Collins american have to say :

Definitions
noun
1.the state of being married; relation between spouses; married life; wedlock; matrimony
2.the act of marrying; wedding
3.the rite or form used in marrying
4.any close or intimate union
5.the king and queen of a suit, esp. as a meld in pinochle

wait, did i miss something ? where did you saw the term holy ??

The biggest error people make with the word marriage, is that they think that somebody own it. it's a word, it's not a copyrighted term from religion. Legally a marraige is a contract between two people in front of the law, NOT in front of a God. The marriage itself, is the legal contract. final.
Everything else that you might thing as a marriage, is part of a ceremony of marriage, which itself doesnt have any legal consequence. i can make the biggest wedding, in the biggest bhurch, in front of the pope himself if i wish, unless i sign the legal contract of marriage, it's not a marriage, it's just a ceremony.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

The biggest error people make with the word marriage, is that they think that somebody own it. it's a word, it's not a copyrighted term from religion. Legally a marraige is a contract between two people in front of the law, NOT in front of a God. The marriage itself, is the legal contract. final.
Everything else that you might thing as a marriage, is part of a ceremony of marriage, which itself doesnt have any legal consequence. i can make the biggest wedding, in the biggest bhurch, in front of the pope himself if i wish, unless i sign the legal contract of marriage, it's not a marriage, it's just a ceremony.

I think the main point of contention here is that "marriage" used to be a religious term, but with the transition into secular society the term as become a secular word now.

Language changes over time, and the term "marriage" is no longer under the authority of any one religious institution, but rather a legal term with no inherent religious meaning.
Oh, and just to be a complete hypocrite about the whole "language changes over time" statement, anyone who tells me that the word "literally" is now a synonym for "figuratively" is welcome to reach terminal velocity as they jump off a tall building.

 

[Grace_Omega]

Isn't it so nice that we can discuss this topic politely? I mean, there's no wrong answers here! It's just a matter of opinion! It's not like hostility to gay people has any real-world consequences, right?

Anyway in the spirit of the thread, I think gay relationships should have no social stigma attached to them, but if you disagree and think gay people should be judged for their relationships then that's totally cool, we can just agree to disagree

So we're pretty much all fine and dandy with homosexuality, but what about polygamy? How do people feel about someone's ability to have more than one true love and how would they feel if their significant other proposed the idea?

I think Polygamy is A-OK as long as everyone involved agrees fully with it and is on board.