Gays and Homophobia

[Char-Nobyl]

I'm a raging Hetro.. am I allowed to be proud?

Hmm...an interesting question. Do what I do: don't take pride in the fact that you're hetero, but do take pride in all the bonuses that come with being hetero.

Same thing with being white. I don't believe that white people are inherently better than other people, or that I'm better because I'm white, but that being white kicks miles of ass more than pretty much anything else. Ditto for being a dude, come to think of it.

 

[Verlander]

I'm straight, and I don't care how people have sex, or who they have sex with. It honestly does not impact my life, nor most peoples lives come to think about it

 

[Cliff_m85]

Meek little kid on the spectrum, youngest in his year level (everyone else was older by at least one year), surrounded mainly by bogans. You can pretty much guess the rest.

"Words will never hurt me" is a complete lie; get really creative, and do it often enough, for long enough (five years in my case) and you can break a person - and I can't exactly retaliate against "just words", can I?

Still, I suppose it doesn't compare to what some other Escapists had to deal with. I mean, look at Furburt; he nearly killed someone because they wouldn't stop.

I know what you mean. Words hurt. I got both ends of the spectrum. So I started being fast with my mouth and faster with my fists, because bullies hate it when you talk back. It sucks, and I totally feel you on that. I didn't break so much as snapped.

I don't understand this at all. Isn't it flattering either way? And wouldn't a simple "I'm not interested/not gay" suffice? I'd let a gay dude flirt with me if he was buying me a drink, but I'd respect him enough to tell him I'm straight after the third or fourth.

Generally, it comes down to insecurity. When a guy hits on you, it means he thinks you're gay. Or worse, is hoping you're gay!

the only thing worse is hearing the usual tripe that gays should keep it to themselves, because even if not intentionally bigoted, it's an attitude that encourages us to be divided and alone, which makes it more dangerous for us. You might as well be telling us to "fuck off and die."

I don't have anything against Homosexuals, just as long as they keep it to themselves.

Oh.

I'm a bit narcissistic, I guess, since I'd want everyone to want to fuck me. *shrugs*
Though I would marry Dr. House. So if any homosexual wants to sway me they know what to dress up as for Halloween. XP

 

[Thundero13]

I'm gay, for gay rights obviously, and i'm fourteen, anyway I've only actually met one person who's homophobic to be honest, which is odd because people seem to talk about them like they're everywhere, so yeah I don't know where i'm going with any of this so bye.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

 

[the_green_dragon]

I think lesbians are awesome but gay guys are less awesome

 

[thublihnk]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

I don't have anything against Homosexuals, just as long as they keep it to themselves.

*facepalm*

That's like saying you don't think illegal immigration is a problem as long as all the Mexicans stick to working at Home Depot and Burger King.

I don't like gays, I can tolerate 'em but I don't have to like them. And I'm especially against flamers.

And why? Because I just have to think what they actually do and it repulses me. But sure they can have their thing, on the plus side if people are gay, there's gonna be more women for me and less overpopulation, so yeah.

No problem with that. Ironically, the things that most people (myself included) find irritating in flamboyantly gay men has relatively little to do with the 'gay' bit and more with things like, for instance, wearing tiny pants that leave disturbingly little to the imagination. Most of it is stuff that would be just as annoying if a straight man were doing it, too. "Manly" and "gay" aren't mutually exclusive traits.

And adoption? No.. just no. The kid is not gonna turn out right if he/she gets raised by a gay couple. Call me old fashioned but that's what I think.

I never really understood this objection. Sure, it's a break with tradition, but so is "not dying of childbirth" or "taking dumps inside the house." My parents made me who I am by their words and actions. I learned home maintenance skills from my father, not his testicles. And I speak eloquently because my mother was an English teacher, not because she had ovaries.

 

[Lambi]

I'm pansexual, for gay/lesbian/bi rights and I do it because they're people too and shouldn't be discriminated from straight people.

 

[G-Virus]

I am totally for gay rights, mostly because I grew up around it. My friends all through school were usually either lesbians, or - in the case I hung out with guys - either weird or gay. I think it's dumb that people would have anything wrong with people just because they don't love who they're pressured by society to love. It actually seems somewhat romantic, like Romeo and Juliet, only Romeo and Romeo or Juliet and Juliet.

 

[Dexiro]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

It's more about celebrating acceptance than pride really, trying to show gay people that it's ok to be gay since a lot of people can be in denial. They're also a place for people to meet other gay people or get advice about things like bullying.

In some areas it does seem a little silly though. In my area homosexuality is pretty widely accepted, but they're still cranking up the gay pride festivals more and more each year. An excuse to party I suppose :3

 

[Cliff_m85]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

That's understandable but more a triumph of the human condition. Though I never understood the outlandish gay pride parades. I tend to not take people seriously when they're wearing a thong and boa in public.

 

[Something Amyss]

I'm a bit narcissistic, I guess, since I'd want everyone to want to fuck me. *shrugs*
Though I would marry Dr. House. So if any homosexual wants to sway me they know what to dress up as for Halloween. XP

Nobody can blame you. NOBODY.

I mean, oh my GOD, Hugh Laurie's eyes alone are amazing.

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

That's kind of contradictory.

Gay pride is a logical response to decades upon centuries of time in which homosexuals have been treated with scorn. As something to be ashamed of. Etc. So not only is it logical, but it's an accomplishment in itself, even ignoring any other accomplishments that come along with it.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

Right...except that the "pride" bit is a natural result of the perceived consensus that being gay is something to be ashamed of. Same reason why "black power" wouldn't exist if being black hadn't been viewed as inferior to being white.

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

If nothing else, then to be contrary to the people who tell you that something you didn't choose should be a source of shame.

 

[thublihnk]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

That's understandable but more a triumph of the human condition. Though I never understood the outlandish gay pride parades. I tend to not take people seriously when they're wearing a thong and boa in public.

Okay, then should I dismiss a group of heterosexuals just because one of them is wearing a 'Female Body Inspector' shirt?

 

[Cliff_m85]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

That's understandable but more a triumph of the human condition. Though I never understood the outlandish gay pride parades. I tend to not take people seriously when they're wearing a thong and boa in public.

Okay, then should I dismiss a group of heterosexuals just because one of them is wearing a 'Female Body Inspector' shirt?

If a large group is? Absolutely. But in New York we can see a ton of people dressing in such a way. Where I live the Gay Pride Parade is a bit toned down and is taken much more seriously. The gay community actually didn't allow an activist to join the march because he was dressed too provocatively.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I'm a bit narcissistic, I guess, since I'd want everyone to want to fuck me. *shrugs*
Though I would marry Dr. House. So if any homosexual wants to sway me they know what to dress up as for Halloween. XP

Nobody can blame you. NOBODY.

I mean, oh my GOD, Hugh Laurie's eyes alone are amazing.

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

That's kind of contradictory.

Gay pride is a logical response to decades upon centuries of time in which homosexuals have been treated with scorn. As something to be ashamed of. Etc. So not only is it logical, but it's an accomplishment in itself, even ignoring any other accomplishments that come along with it.

I guess it's a difference of opinions. I just feel that homosexuality and heterosexuality are just terms that mean nothing much to me. Being proud of either is silly in my eyes. Overcoming adversity is something to be proud of, certainly. I guess I'm looking at "gay pride" as the title of "gay" rather than the knowledge that they overcame adversity. So I concede, I suppose. Mainly I notice that I'm playing semantics so I am a bit in the wrong.

 

[FaceFaceFace]

I support gay rights, but I wish they'd all be a bit less obvious. Sexuality shouldn't have any effect on how you dress or your mannerisms, just who you sleep with. So if you are not holding your significant other's hand, I should not know which way you swing. I say this based on two gay guys I am friends with, one of whom I would never have guessed if he hadn't told me, and the other, lets just I get a lot of fashion advice from.

 

[thublihnk]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

That's understandable but more a triumph of the human condition. Though I never understood the outlandish gay pride parades. I tend to not take people seriously when they're wearing a thong and boa in public.

Okay, then should I dismiss a group of heterosexuals just because one of them is wearing a 'Female Body Inspector' shirt?

If a large group is? Absolutely. But in New York we can see a ton of people dressing in such a way. Where I live the Gay Pride Parade is a bit toned down and is taken much more seriously. The gay community actually didn't allow an activist to join the march because he was dressed too provocatively.

Again, just a small segment of the pride parades are dressed as you're talking about. I live in Austin, Texas, one of the more outlandish towns in the country and still most people at pride parades are just civil people who are proud of what they are.

 

[Cliff_m85]

Gay pride is highly illogical. No one should be proud of conditions beyond their control. Rather, people should be proud of what they achieved and what choices they made.

I'm not proud of being white, nor being mainly heterosexual, nor being an American. I am proud of being a Libertarian, an Atheist, and holding down my job (I feel I'm the best at my company right now because I love my job).

However, no one should be ashamed of such conditions neither. Gay pride is silly to me, just as hetero pride or black pride or white pride are silly to me. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? *shrugs*

Gay pride is less about being proud that they're a homosexual and more about being proud that they've overcome the societal stigma of being ashamed to be homosexual. It's about being true to yourself despite the hate and bigotry. That takes pride, and that takes courage.

That's understandable but more a triumph of the human condition. Though I never understood the outlandish gay pride parades. I tend to not take people seriously when they're wearing a thong and boa in public.

Okay, then should I dismiss a group of heterosexuals just because one of them is wearing a 'Female Body Inspector' shirt?

If a large group is? Absolutely. But in New York we can see a ton of people dressing in such a way. Where I live the Gay Pride Parade is a bit toned down and is taken much more seriously. The gay community actually didn't allow an activist to join the march because he was dressed too provocatively.

Again, just a small segment of the pride parades are dressed as you're talking about. I live in Austin, Texas, one of the more outlandish towns in the country and still most people at pride parades are just civil people who are proud of what they are.

Ahhh, I see where I miswrote. I didn't mean to imply that I don't take EVERY gay pride parade unseriously. I only take the more outlandish ones as a bit silly. There are plenty of gay pride parades that actively strive to better conditions. Certainly a few members of the movement will be controversial, but I was mainly addressing the New York style parade which, truthfully, harms the homosexual community in the south as it provides a stereotypical view of homosexuals that scares the Bible belters.