I was hoping for a diversity of opinions; some based in faith, some in logic. But sadly, for a colourful discussion, everyone so far is open-minded or apatheticCharisma said:
Gays and Homophobia
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I'm straight, but I fully support gay rights. Why? Because we're all human, and should all have rights as such.
Well, I'm bisexual (technically pansexual, but many people don't know what that means).
Obviously I'm all for equal rights. Not 'gay' or 'transgeder' rights... EQUAL rights. As in, the same for everybody. Sadly, we don't have that, and in most states LGBT people are second class citizens, basically. Still, better than some countries, where being gay can get you executed by the government...
I would like to speak a bit about something that bothers me.. this whole 'I don't care what you do in private but I don't want to see it' that I hear so often. This is just another form of discrimination. Sure, nobody wants to see people getting sloppy affectionate in public, be they hetero or homosexual... But holding hands, a quick kiss? What's wrong with that? Public affection should not be something that only heterosexual people have the 'right' to.
Obviously I'm all for equal rights. Not 'gay' or 'transgeder' rights... EQUAL rights. As in, the same for everybody. Sadly, we don't have that, and in most states LGBT people are second class citizens, basically. Still, better than some countries, where being gay can get you executed by the government...
I would like to speak a bit about something that bothers me.. this whole 'I don't care what you do in private but I don't want to see it' that I hear so often. This is just another form of discrimination. Sure, nobody wants to see people getting sloppy affectionate in public, be they hetero or homosexual... But holding hands, a quick kiss? What's wrong with that? Public affection should not be something that only heterosexual people have the 'right' to.
I'm sort-of bi-leaning, hetero by practice since my first love was and is my current girlfriend, but attracted to guys somewhat. It scares the heck out of me for some reason. Attracted and scared at the same time?! And seeing a gay couple of either gender forces that same effect. Maybe it's because I secretly wanted to be a girl as a kid or something?
Anyway, yeah, gay rights FTW. But I don't even think marriage should be a civil institution so no I don't stand for gay marriage because I don't stand for marriage sanctioned by the government. Marriage has been turned from a mutually binding agreement between two(or more?) people to an agreement between that couple and the government. So yeah.
Anyway, yeah, gay rights FTW. But I don't even think marriage should be a civil institution so no I don't stand for gay marriage because I don't stand for marriage sanctioned by the government. Marriage has been turned from a mutually binding agreement between two(or more?) people to an agreement between that couple and the government. So yeah.
Dan Steele said:
I would say it would be more of a misguided comparsion, many of those involve sex without consent or sex with those who are to yound to properly consent, which causes long term suffering. Homosexuality is a consentual life choice where individuals want and consent to actions preformed in a homosexual relationship.LockeDown said:
Well if you're going to constantly rub peoples face in it then you have to accept that you are going to get some peoples backs up because as a group you can't seem to shut up about it.UncertaintyPrinciple said:
TBH.. the constant need for validation (which is what it seems like) is annoying for THAT reason, and if you are disliked then it is because of that need.. not particularly because of what you are.
Be homosexual if that's your bag...but if you're all gonna constantly shout about it, someone (probably me) is gonna tell you to shut up. A lot of people are sick of hearing from you.
There are bigger issues in the world that where you decide to stick your genetalia.
EDIT.. One other thing.. just because someone dislikes what you do (which is entirely their right as much as it is yours to do it).. DOESN'T mean that they fear you or are threatened by you or that they are a 'closet case' themselves.. and using THAT as an arguement against them WILL fucking piss them off.
Bisexual. I have utter disdain for the gay pride parade ideal and the stereotype flamboyance, you're not helping your own cause. Get over yourself. Two consenting adults should be able to do what they want because sexuality is like an asshole, most people have one. You don't need to tell everyone, you don't need to get in people's faces and other people's shouldn't be an issue to you at all.
Shh! This week's issue of The Gay Agenda says not to draw attention to ourselves, since we're usurping the govern
To show my true thoughts:
I'm straight, and am so for gay rights people have mistaken me for gay for all the times I get pissed off about Homophobia.
To show my true thoughts:
I'm straight, and am so for gay rights people have mistaken me for gay for all the times I get pissed off about Homophobia.
The only thing I'm upset about is that I have to re-post my other post from the double-thread.
OT: I'm not for gays/lesbians/bisexuals, just as I am not for heterosexuals/asexuals/demisexuals, so I assume you mean, that I harbour them no ill-will and do not discriminate or think less of them for their sexual orientation, in which case, you are correct, I do not place heterosexuals/homosexuals/bisexuals/asexual/etc on different levels, I consider them equal.
The reason why?
1. What harm does homosexuality/bisexuality/you-get-the-picture cause?
2. Where is the evidence that people are directly responsible for their own sexual orientation?
... yeah that's pretty much it, it doesn't hurt anyone, it isn't counter-productive or detrimental to anybody or anything, and while that in itself is enough, if it ever becomes (for some logic-defying reason) harmful to others then how is that the fault of the *insert sexuality here* individual? So people, no matter their sexuality, cause no harm as an intrinsic quality of their sexuality, nor do they appear to have a level of control over their orientation, so there is neither cause (a.k.a. choice of lifestyle, whether hetero-, homo-, other-) or effect (negative repercussions to sexual orientation), so therefore there is no crime, sin, or harm, and no intention to cause any, so their is neither victim nor culprit and therefore nothing wrong in any way, shape or form.
OT: I'm not for gays/lesbians/bisexuals, just as I am not for heterosexuals/asexuals/demisexuals, so I assume you mean, that I harbour them no ill-will and do not discriminate or think less of them for their sexual orientation, in which case, you are correct, I do not place heterosexuals/homosexuals/bisexuals/asexual/etc on different levels, I consider them equal.
The reason why?
1. What harm does homosexuality/bisexuality/you-get-the-picture cause?
2. Where is the evidence that people are directly responsible for their own sexual orientation?
... yeah that's pretty much it, it doesn't hurt anyone, it isn't counter-productive or detrimental to anybody or anything, and while that in itself is enough, if it ever becomes (for some logic-defying reason) harmful to others then how is that the fault of the *insert sexuality here* individual? So people, no matter their sexuality, cause no harm as an intrinsic quality of their sexuality, nor do they appear to have a level of control over their orientation, so there is neither cause (a.k.a. choice of lifestyle, whether hetero-, homo-, other-) or effect (negative repercussions to sexual orientation), so therefore there is no crime, sin, or harm, and no intention to cause any, so their is neither victim nor culprit and therefore nothing wrong in any way, shape or form.
Disagree, I know for a fact that I wouldn't be able to have some of the friendships I have if I wasn't heterosexual.Fumbleumble said:
I also know for a fact that there are people who openly harrass and physically assault people for their sexuality. It's still an issue dude.
However, I agree that sometimes it's frustrating having your entire day filled with minorities demanding acceptance when you already treat everyone the same regardless of who they are (not including acting like a dick).
There's still people that have a hard life due to their sexuality/religeon/race/gender/even how they were conceived(IVF vs Natural)/for being adopted etc. in first world countries.
You can't claim that sexuality isn't an issue.
OT: Sexuality doesn't offend me. I try not to offend others about such things. I can't wait for Australia to come out of the dark ages and allow gay marriage.
You could be male-to-female bisexual transgender (which is probably the most unlikely sexuality ever), or much more probably (can you use that word that way?), bi-curious. I was bi-curious for about a month before I realised I was probably bi, then I thought about it for a week or so, went into a month of denial, and about a month or two ago I just accepted it. On one hand, the whole ordeal was pretty awesome, on the other hand it was a contributing factor to my current depression (i don't hate myself because i'm bi, it's alot more complicated than that :/), soooooo I'd just say go with the flow, but take it slow.Nieroshai said:
It rhymes, so it's true? Maybe? I dunno xD
Eheheheeeh.... sure it hasn't.Fumbleumble said:
According to this poster I saw "Homophobia is a social disease", so I guess if a person isn't comfortable with something they have a sickness.
But Aborigines talk about how they are the true owners of the land but don't get rights or facilities that the non-Indigenous Australians get. They also have marches and rallies, yet not a bit of back-lash. Why do many people not have a problem with Aboriginals "rubbing people's faces in who they are" but do for homosexuals?Fumbleumble said:
Also as a footnote to my other post, I think sexuality is only an issue to those who want it to be one. I disagree with the whole coming out principle because I think it's quite absurd that in this day and age one should be expected to sit your friends/family down and say "Hey, i'm gay/bi" when it's not required if you're straight. Sexuality really is a private thing other than when you're after someone. That's just how it is.
WTF!!StBishop said:
Harrassment, bullying and general violence HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR to someone... if it wasn't homosexuals it would be people with glasses, or a funny hairdo.. jesus christ.. if you're gonna be different in this world shit is going to happen.
Why can't they see this and quit looking for someone to blame, just because they want to be different in a world that stupidly seems to values conformism... NO-ONE has an easy time of it.
*sigh* (btw.. they're very attitude is what pisses some people off too)
EDIT....I'll say this about gay 'marriage'... I don't agree with it.. it's not marriage.. Marriage is between man and woman, husband and wife.. I DON'T have anything against a legal arrangement stating gay's devotion to each other... but QUIT calling it marriage that ours!
o)... if they want to do things differently, then their ceremony should be different too.. and I DO feel strongly about that.What other consenting adults (of consenting age) decide to do behind close doors is none of my business.
Having said that, homosexuality doesn't make anyone less of a person. Being gay or lesbian doesn't make you any more or less capable to provide for a family and shouldn't make them ineligible to defend a country they love. Someone who falls in love and has a spiritual connection with another human being should be allowed to marry, not told that their love is in some way inferior by denying them this fundamental right.
I have a lot of gay friends and, the sad thing is, I feel more passionate about their rights than most of them do. They've chosen to not care, because they've come to believe that the society they live in doesn't care about them.
Having said that, homosexuality doesn't make anyone less of a person. Being gay or lesbian doesn't make you any more or less capable to provide for a family and shouldn't make them ineligible to defend a country they love. Someone who falls in love and has a spiritual connection with another human being should be allowed to marry, not told that their love is in some way inferior by denying them this fundamental right.
I have a lot of gay friends and, the sad thing is, I feel more passionate about their rights than most of them do. They've chosen to not care, because they've come to believe that the society they live in doesn't care about them.
I'm not.
And I used to think gay people were all weird, and as such avoided them.
then, one night, while drinking with some ladies in their dorm, and then backing some brownies because, I met her gay floor-mates. And they were pretty cool guys. Didn't flaunt it much, just like "and this is my boyfriend" didn't come onto me, and we all had friendly chat.
This, combined with other social events at that time, I learned that sure, people may believe/do odd things, but THEY'RE STILL PEOPLE, and when they're not hurting other people, it's all good. So yeah, if you're attracted to the same sex, good for you! I personally am not, but that doesn't mean you're wrong, so long as you also accept me.
the thing is, its a fear of the unknown, which can only be broken by facing it, and its much easier just to join with other people whom hate instead.
And I used to think gay people were all weird, and as such avoided them.
then, one night, while drinking with some ladies in their dorm, and then backing some brownies because, I met her gay floor-mates. And they were pretty cool guys. Didn't flaunt it much, just like "and this is my boyfriend" didn't come onto me, and we all had friendly chat.
This, combined with other social events at that time, I learned that sure, people may believe/do odd things, but THEY'RE STILL PEOPLE, and when they're not hurting other people, it's all good. So yeah, if you're attracted to the same sex, good for you! I personally am not, but that doesn't mean you're wrong, so long as you also accept me.
the thing is, its a fear of the unknown, which can only be broken by facing it, and its much easier just to join with other people whom hate instead.