Gays and Homophobia

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Well correct me if I'm wrong but you are unhappy with people saying their lives are worse because of who they are when everyone has problems, not just on group of people. Which upsets you because it seems as though they are saying everyone else problem insignificant in comparsion. Is that right?

Correct. The appliance of "I'm gay, sympathise with my problems now" is used far too often. Not only is it stupid, but it dilutes the ACTUAL discrimination and genuine issues faced by gay people and makes the overall movement look petty and ridiculous. Save the persecution talk for when actual persecuation is taking place and stop acting like anything that doesn't go your way in life is the result of discrimination.

Thank you for your opinion, personally, I believe your "complain whenever there is a actual serious problem belief" opinion to be quite valid for all aspects of life. The only problem is what individuals define as a serious problem

 

[outcesticide69]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

Please for those who are gay on this thread do not refer to it as a defect. Many would find it offensive to have people say they are gay because they are mentally defective

Well if we find everything offensive, then society in itself has failed miserably. If we cant laugh at ourselves and our stereotypes then how can we be acceptant of other's personal views? Im not saying we should hate gays for their "defect" im calling it what i personally believe it is. And if you cant accept a personal view, then why make this page?

 

[LogieBear]

Omnisexual FTW! Everybody deserves to be loved, so spread the love!
Also I think Homophobia is a terrible word to use, as Homo - Meaning the same - and Phobia - meaning to be irationally scrared of makes the term mean that your afraid of things that are the same . . . =P

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

Please for those who are gay on this thread do not refer to it as a defect. Many would find it offensive to have people say they are gay because they are mentally defective

Well if we find everything offensive, then society in itself has failed miserably. If we cant laugh at ourselves and our stereotypes then how can we be acceptant of other's personal views? Im not saying we should hate gays for their "defect" im calling it what i personally believe it is. And if you cant accept a personal view, then why make this page?

I agree it is a view you are entitled to have but I'm trying to aviod conflict on this thread and the best way to do that is to not say something which can easily and clearly be taken the wrong way. I also don't want people to get banned due to my thread.

But now that you've got me to this point, why do you believe homosexuality is a defect? Why not a genetic alteration, like humans developing dexterous opposable thumbs

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Thank you for your opinion, personally, I believe your "complain whenever there is a actual serious problem belief" opinion to be quite valid for all aspects of life. The only problem is what individuals define as a serious problem

True, true. It's not the complaints that get me though, it's the application of their sexuality, as if it matters. Just because you're gay doesn't mean I have to listen to your issues. But people do, the media laps it up. It's terrible. They're literally getting preferential treatment due to their sexuality. Their voices become louder, even on unrelated issues, and noone can argue against it or else BAM, you're homophobic.

Well, I agree unless the issue is caused by sexuality. Like someone being fried for being gay and only that. That is a valid issue, unlike the issue of gay bullying. All bullying is a problem society and the media should try to stop ALL kinds and help everyone in need.

 

[outcesticide69]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

Please for those who are gay on this thread do not refer to it as a defect. Many would find it offensive to have people say they are gay because they are mentally defective

Well if we find everything offensive, then society in itself has failed miserably. If we cant laugh at ourselves and our stereotypes then how can we be acceptant of other's personal views? Im not saying we should hate gays for their "defect" im calling it what i personally believe it is. And if you cant accept a personal view, then why make this page?

I agree it is a view you are entitled to have but I'm trying to aviod conflict on this thread and the best way to do that is to not say something which can easily and clearly be taken the wrong way. I also don't want people to get banned due to my thread.

But now that you've got me to this point, why do you believe homosexuality is a defect? Why not a genetic alteration, like humans developing dextrous opposable thumbs

I already stated why. Think about how the brain of a rabbit works. They arent intelligent animals, but breed like crazy. This is due to their reliance on instinct. While we humans, rely on complex thinking and have the ability to resist instinctive urges. This resistance may then lead to a brain defect. Im not saying this is how it is, but i believe with all the theories out there, this is the most accurate.

 

[DazBurger]

I'm not gay, i have nothing against gays, but I do believe that many gays today have heterophobia and have a strong urge to tell the world that they are different... Which is not helping them gain acceptance -_-

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

Please for those who are gay on this thread do not refer to it as a defect. Many would find it offensive to have people say they are gay because they are mentally defective

Well if we find everything offensive, then society in itself has failed miserably. If we cant laugh at ourselves and our stereotypes then how can we be acceptant of other's personal views? Im not saying we should hate gays for their "defect" im calling it what i personally believe it is. And if you cant accept a personal view, then why make this page?

I agree it is a view you are entitled to have but I'm trying to aviod conflict on this thread and the best way to do that is to not say something which can easily and clearly be taken the wrong way. I also don't want people to get banned due to my thread.

But now that you've got me to this point, why do you believe homosexuality is a defect? Why not a genetic alteration, like humans developing dextrous opposable thumbs

I already stated why. Think about how the brain of a rabbit works. They arent intelligent animals, but breed like crazy. This is due to their reliance on instinct. While we humans, rely on complex thinking and have the ability to resist instinctive urges. This resistance may then lead to a brain defect. Im not saying this is how it is, but i believe with all the theories out there, this is the most accurate.

But why a defect, the structure of someone's brain could be caused genetically. If so, would you consider someone blonde hair to have follicle defect? Why choose defect in particular and not difference or alternate brain structure/chemistry?

 

[outcesticide69]

I think a lot of people make the decision to be gay for some really dumb reasons, and I honestly think being gay is a choice.

Otherwise I don't care wtf anyone does. But seriously just don't go around saying it's not a choice... you make people extremely homophobic this way (cuz then straight people avoid anything involving gays to make sure they stay straight)

Idk about that, the most common study of this, is that its a brain defect developed at birth. That the vast depth at which the human mind is created, a defect may form. An animal with very little intelligence, just goes off instinct to mate with the other gender. The human mind is much more complex, and has much more room for error in development; as we humans have a resistant to primal urges. At least thats what im studying in psychology. So what im saying is that, its not a choice, its most likely an incurable defect.

Please for those who are gay on this thread do not refer to it as a defect. Many would find it offensive to have people say they are gay because they are mentally defective

Well if we find everything offensive, then society in itself has failed miserably. If we cant laugh at ourselves and our stereotypes then how can we be acceptant of other's personal views? Im not saying we should hate gays for their "defect" im calling it what i personally believe it is. And if you cant accept a personal view, then why make this page?

I agree it is a view you are entitled to have but I'm trying to aviod conflict on this thread and the best way to do that is to not say something which can easily and clearly be taken the wrong way. I also don't want people to get banned due to my thread.

But now that you've got me to this point, why do you believe homosexuality is a defect? Why not a genetic alteration, like humans developing dextrous opposable thumbs

I already stated why. Think about how the brain of a rabbit works. They arent intelligent animals, but breed like crazy. This is due to their reliance on instinct. While we humans, rely on complex thinking and have the ability to resist instinctive urges. This resistance may then lead to a brain defect. Im not saying this is how it is, but i believe with all the theories out there, this is the most accurate.

But why a defect, the structure of someone's brain could be caused genetically. If so, would you consider someone blonde hair to have follicle defect? Why choose defect and not difference or alternate brain structure/chemistry

Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.

Also, i dont say this to be offensive. I say it, because gays are different, and id like to understand why they are different. Id like to know what makes them go left instead of right (metaphorically speaking)

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

I'm not against homosexuality.

I am against attention whoring though, in any form.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.

Not necessarily Huntington's is genetic but quite rare, so are albinoes (Also some genes need to only be carried by one parent and be dominant). And on a side note do you know where I could find this research I would love to read what research has gone into it, and would it contain the test conditions and the test itself of how they developed their theory on homosexuality being part of human nueral wiring.

OT: As I said there are many rare genetic conditions and the medical definition for a defect is something which impedes biological, mental, chemical..etc function. Do you believe homosexxuality does so?

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

The stereotypical culture thing shits me right the fuck off, but doesn't bother me otherwise. Except when the "discrimination" card is used for no fucking reason.

This bothers me, but for all minorities, not just gays. I also dislike the in your face attitude that some gay people have. I don't mind gay people, it's not my place to tell people who to love, but what I do mind is when a gay person defines who they are by their sexuality.

 

[Andrew Bohan]

I'm not gay, i have nothing against gays, but I do believe that many gays today have heterophobia and have a strong urge to tell the world that they are different... Which is not helping them gain acceptance -_-

Agreed. Gay pride parades don't encourage integration. They just further emphasize differences which just impedes progress in the long run.

I'm not against homosexuality.

I am against attention whoring though, in any form.

Bingo. Right on the money. It's like calling someone a racist as soon as they disagree with you on anything. It's not a card to be played. Just because someone doesn't agree with you does NOT mean it's because of a prejudice.

 

[Andrew Bohan]

Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.

Not necessarily Huntington's is genetic but quite rare, so are albinoes (Also some genes need to only be carried by one parent and be dominant). And on a side note do you know where I could find this research I would love to read what research has gone into it, and would it contain the test conditions and the test itself of how they developed their theory on homosexuality being part of human nueral wiring.

OT: As I said there are many rare genetic conditions and the medical definition for a defect is something which impedes biological, mental, chemical..etc function. Do you believe homosexxuality does so?

INB4 THEY DONT MAKE BABIES.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.

Not necessarily Huntington's is genetic but quite rare, so are albinoes (Also some genes need to only be carried by one parent and be dominant). And on a side note do you know where I could find this research I would love to read what research has gone into it, and would it contain the test conditions and the test itself of how they developed their theory on homosexuality being part of human nueral wiring.

OT: As I said there are many rare genetic conditions and the medical definition for a defect is something which impedes biological, mental, chemical..etc function. Do you believe homosexxuality does so?

INB4 THEY DONT MAKE BABIES.

Sorry I didn't give the whole definition (it is an entire paragraph), they have to affect an individuals biological, mental, chemical..etc function, the function that requires to people doesn't count. And sterility counts as it is the inability of an individual to produce viable embyroes or sperm.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Sorry repost

 

[outcesticide69]

Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.

Not necessarily Huntington's is genetic but quite rare, so are albinoes (Also some genes need to only be carried by one parent and be dominant). And on a side note do you know where I could find this research I would love to read what research has gone into it, and would it contain the test conditions and the test itself of how they developed their theory on homosexuality being part of human nueral wiring.

OT: As I said there are many rare genetic conditions and the medical definition for a defect is something which impedes biological, mental, chemical..etc function. Do you believe homosexxuality does so?

Yeah, but hair is carried by both parents, regardless. Most genes are. But i never said being gay was a genetic thing. Brain defects occur in many ways. Im simply making you think critically. And if you want to know about this study, go to a library and pick up a psychology textbook (a modern one, mind.). There should be something on it, in there. Im not here to debate with you on how its caused, im giving you my opinion and letting you derive an answer from yourself. You cant believe everything others tell you, but you cant deny that there is some relevance to what they say.

 

[k-ossuburb]

I'm neither for nor against homosexuality since it's not like an ideological or political stance. I literally don't give a crap if someone is attracted to men, women or space aliens from the planet Zarg. It's none of my business and it's a total non-issue for me since it's so unimportant that I don't ask.

Really, it's no different than what race you are, what allergies you have or what country you were born in, which are also a complete non-issues for me, too. The only things that matter to me are the things you have chosen, those are things I can disagree with, if you think that all black people are an inferior race then I can disagree with that and even argue against it, but sexuality cannot be argued because it's not an opinion, ideology or standpoint; it's part of who someone is.

Think of it this way: would you disagree with blindness?

Sounds stupid, doesn't it? Same difference for sexual orientation.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Hair is a genetic trait not a genetic deformity, carried by both parents. I dont believe there to be a "gay gene", because there would be a lot more gays in the world today, then there are now[Essentially in your theory, A gay person for every brunette and red haired person (highly unlikely)]. A mutation or defect, is a more sensible cause, due to the amount of the gay population.

Not necessarily Huntington's is genetic but quite rare, so are albinoes (Also some genes need to only be carried by one parent and be dominant). And on a side note do you know where I could find this research I would love to read what research has gone into it, and would it contain the test conditions and the test itself of how they developed their theory on homosexuality being part of human nueral wiring.

OT: As I said there are many rare genetic conditions and the medical definition for a defect is something which impedes biological, mental, chemical..etc function. Do you believe homosexxuality does so?

Yeah, but hair is carried by both parents, regardless. Most genes are. But i never said being gay was a genetic thing. Brain defects occur in many ways. Im simply making you think critically. And if you want to know about this study, go to a library and pick up a psychology textbook (a modern one, mind.). There should be something on it, in there. Im not here to debate with you on how its caused, im giving you my opinion and letting you derive an answer from yourself. You cant believe everything others tell you, but you cant deny that there is some relevance to what they say.

That is fair enough, and as you said this is only one of many theories. Why do you only choose this one and not any of the other theories?

Off Topic: I have browse a few Pyshcology books but none actually focus much on it being a mental defect, what textbook do you use for your classes? Shouldn't that contain it

 

[Daipire]

I'm straight.

And I think that people should be free to marry everyone except those mail-order brides.

They give me the heebie-geebies.

EDIT: And I also think straight people should be free to use the term 'heebie-geebies'.

And yeah, the stereotypical gay guy is heavily enforced by the media, they gay society don't seem to care about that as much as they want people to stop judging them... But... That stereotype is holding them back, so why don't the lash out at it as much as possible?