Gena Davis institute on Gender in media tries to link violent games to mass shootings and police violence

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A job is a job, I would argue education is much easier than engineering, or computer science. Same with nursing.
Why are you so desperate to try and drag this thread back to some weird jobs argument instead of engaging with the idea that "games marketed to males" are so widely accepted that Steam has a hentai tag?
 
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What a fucking cunty thing to say.
Why? Are you suggesting Starbucks is a poor job?
If you think it's a "Cunty" thing to say I'd suggest that says more about your views toward retail employees than anything else.
 

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Why are you so desperate to try and drag this thread back to some weird jobs argument instead of engaging with the idea that "games marketed to males" are so widely accepted that Steam has a hentai tag?
Because that's like saying Weed is legal in Amsterdam so there's no reason to legalise it anywhere else in the world..........
 

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Why are you so desperate to try and drag this thread back to some weird jobs argument instead of engaging with the idea that "games marketed to males" are so widely accepted that Steam has a hentai tag?
Since this thread had already got derailed a long time ago and was nothing but a joke to begin with.
 

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Because that's like saying Weed is legal in Amsterdam so there's no reason to legalise it anywhere else in the world..........
Cyberpunk 2077 and Gal Gun Returns are being sold at Walmart. Slightly censored hentai games are on the Nintendo eshop. Entire bundles of porn games of almost every stripe on itch.

Hot Coffee, a GTA3 mod that unearthed a deleted sex scene buried in the code caused lawsuits. Modern AAA games have full on sex scenes and barely anybody bats an eye.

Damn near the only things that catch flak from the "SJWs" these days is shit involving kids, and it's really only the twin dogmatic design choices of "age doesn't matter" yet "every anime girl is a high school kid" that causes anime games to have the rep they do.
 

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Oddly I'd argue only 3 of the female characters in DOA count as more sexualised in their default looks compared to reality. They would be Kasumi Ayane and Christie's jacket costume.

Most of the others are in line with actual women IRL and their attires.

Yes even Tina Armstrong.
Lol ok.
 
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It's also a world where people and throw lightening bolts and a guy can easily swing a sword with 1 hand that's taller and broader than he is.

I dunno how much the the idea of realism in Tifa's breasts fits in lol
Sure, but you can't argue on one hand that real women with big boobs are somehow being denied representation they need, and on the other hand that realistic female bodies aren't enough for you and you need giant plastic anime balloon tits. You can see the contradiction there, right?

And this is less about realism than it is about representation. Who is the representation you want actually for? Is it for actual people with big boobs to see themselves, or is it for you to get voyeuristic pleasure from? I mean, it can be both, for me putting someone in a sports bra is actually kinda hot precisely because that's what a real person would do (and because jiggle physics is the least sexy thing ever invented), but if you want something that's not reality, you can't then claim it's in the interests of real people needing representation.

I think there's some Lola Bunny shit going on here too, in that people are comparing the new character design to sexualized fan art, rather than the actual game concept art.

Psychology
Psychology in this case being behavioural science and social psychology, which are firmly in the same category as (and overlap strongly with) the other social sciences. Heck, I write about social psychology quite a lot.

There are forms of psychology which would align closer to STEM because they deal with neurological features of the brain and their effects on cognition. This is not one of those.

A job is a job, I would argue education is much easier than engineering, or computer science. Same with nursing.
Engineering and computer science typically result in jobs that pay a lot more and are far less psychologically demanding than nursing or education. They require particular skills and may require long hours, but so do most graduate jobs.

The nursing thing is particularly insulting. Nursing is an unbelievably demanding profession on so many levels, and it is not paid anything close to a reasonable amount to justify the difficulty, technical competence and stress entailed.

A job isn't a job if you're not capable of doing it. If you can't handle the psychological stress of education or nursing, you can't do those jobs. It's no different to someone not being able to become an engineer if they're not good at mathematics, or not being able to become an academic if they don't have rich parents. There are plenty of career paths out there which don't require those particular abilities.

Why? Are you suggesting Starbucks is a poor job?
The least you could do is not embarrass yourself further by being a coward. Own what you said, or fuck off and think about why you said it.
 
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That's only because millennials are quitting their jobs at record rates.

Also anecdotal evidence.
You provided zero evidence for your statement, and it was an absolute negative. Therefore, my single positive anecdote is enough to prove it as wrong.

You must live in a large city. Try doing that in Columbus Ohio where I live.
The city I live closest to is smaller than Columbus, Ohio. (For obvious reasons, I'm being vague here)

Here is a list of in-demand degrees that aren't STEM.

Education

Special Education

Nursing

Elementary Education

Construction Services

Treatment Therapy

Social Services
Funny how most of those positions you list here are filled by the same liberal arts degrees you were railing against earlier in thread....

Thank you for proving how wrong you were.
 
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Congrats on the job at Starbucks
So I was purposely attempting to not bring up details about it because I didn't want to brag...

It's actually a 6-figure salary (with bonus on top), team-lead position with a Fortune-500 company. I'm really excited to start. I've spent the past week between jobs trying to better my personal life including things like finding a personal trainer and planning investments that I can do with the compensation increase. Pretty sure I'll be spending some of my signing bonus on either a PS5 (and games) or a Microsoft Surface Pro tablet. Outside of when I first started college, this is the most positive I've been about my life, and I feel like things are finally back on track after wasting most of my 20s.
 
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Cyberpunk 2077 and Gal Gun Returns are being sold at Walmart. Slightly censored hentai games are on the Nintendo eshop. Entire bundles of porn games of almost every stripe on itch.

Hot Coffee, a GTA3 mod that unearthed a deleted sex scene buried in the code caused lawsuits. Modern AAA games have full on sex scenes and barely anybody bats an eye.
Hot Coffee saw lawsuits because it contained content the ESRB hadn't rated as such (the sex scenes) thus was in breach of the ESRB rules about content and disclosure etc.

Damn near the only things that catch flak from the "SJWs" these days is shit involving kids, and it's really only the twin dogmatic design choices of "age doesn't matter" yet "every anime girl is a high school kid" that causes anime games to have the rep they do.
So why have they got upset over Project Eve recently?
Why did they feel the need to make changes to Resident Evil 2 remake?
Why did they feel the need to censor Trish's ass in DMC 5?
Why are the so upset about Amazon's She-Ra series possibly going back more towards the original?
Why was there a thread only the other week on twitter with a number of journalists from certain publications and others on about how sexy female characters upset them or were oppressive?
 

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Fine guess I'm going to have to prove it

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Tina Armstrong a Female wrestlers Mickie James and Page. Also yes Mickie James did wrestle in that

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Mila a female MMA fighter Gina Carano

Note how technically Gina Carano's outfit is actually more "Sexualising" because of the V bit to show more cleavage

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Helena and the opera singer Debora.
Again note debora's outfit based on the standards and arguments being deployed against female characters in games would be more sexualised because Helena's outfit has the lace trim covering up more of her cleavage than a real Opera Singer.

So yeh as I said only 3 who you can argue are sexualised because others have outfits on par with or somewhat more modest than their real life counterparts.
 

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Sure, but you can't argue on one hand that real women with big boobs are somehow being denied representation they need, and on the other hand that realistic female bodies aren't enough for you and you need giant plastic anime balloon tits. You can see the contradiction there, right?

And this is less about realism than it is about representation. Who is the representation you want actually for? Is it for actual people with big boobs to see themselves, or is it for you to get voyeuristic pleasure from? I mean, it can be both, for me putting someone in a sports bra is actually kinda hot precisely because that's what a real person would do (and because jiggle physics is the least sexy thing ever invented), but if you want something that's not reality, you can't then claim it's in the interests of real people needing representation.

I think there's some Lola Bunny shit going on here too, in that people are comparing the new character design to sexualized fan art, rather than the actual game concept art.
1) I don't think it's the side who likes sexy characters who are bringing up representation arguments. More bringing them up in counter to claims by people saying it doesn't count as representation or needs to change because representation grounds

2) Again throwing magic, I dunno how much a sports Bra being needed exactly fits a world already not realistic but stuff

3) The "Lola Bunny angle" or I take it to mean "You're upset because you can't fap to it"

To be somewhat vulgar for a a moment.

No-one said they couldn't fap to it. But in the immortal words of Sean Lock


Psychology in this case being behavioural science and social psychology, which are firmly in the same category as (and overlap strongly with) the other social sciences. Heck, I write about social psychology quite a lot.

There are forms of psychology which would align closer to STEM because they deal with neurological features of the brain and their effects on cognition. This is not one of those.
Part of the issue is some branches that aren't even really social science because they don't even use the same standards bringing up often long outdated or debunked ideas from psychology like cultivation theory which even in the 80s was pretty thoroughly debunked.

I don't know the specific area you are in but I'd guess it at least abides by Social Science standards not merely "Studies" standards.


The least you could do is not embarrass yourself further by being a coward. Own what you said, or fuck off and think about why you said it.
Because I'd imagine given the clientele it would be a useful skill to argue with them if needed.

Funny how most of those positions you list here are filled by the same liberal arts degrees you were railing against earlier in thread....

Thank you for proving how wrong you were.
They're really not, at least not without people retraining and doing additional qualifications to get into them.
 

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(and because jiggle physics is the least sexy thing ever invented).
Jiggling boobs are not sexy? Or do you mean to the one who has the boobs that are jiggling? I would think that depends on the amount of force generated by said jiggling. A small oscillation frequency is quite pleasant on most bodyparts.
Why? Are you suggesting Starbucks is a poor job?
If you think it's a "Cunty" thing to say I'd suggest that says more about your views toward retail employees than anything else.
Weak dude.
 
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So why have they got upset over Project Eve recently?
You can find any argument arguing any position on the internet if you look hard enough. Who's "they"?
Why did they feel the need to make changes to Resident Evil 2 remake?
Is this the same "They" as above? I'd image there's lots of things to change going from 480p to 4k. You'd probably have to ask Capcom why they made this ugly chunko I guess
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Why did they feel the need to censor Trish's ass in DMC 5?
PS5 selling point
Why are the so upset about Amazon's She-Ra series possibly going back more towards the original?
Because Capcom likes the direction the wildly successful new cartoon, I guess. Assuming the "They" is the same "They" as 2/3rds of the above.

But c'mon, it's an Amazon Live Action adaptation. Any other property and you'd be laughing too,
Why was there a thread only the other week on twitter with a number of journalists from certain publications and others on about how sexy female characters upset them or were oppressive?
I have literally zero idea what you're talking about and I follow a few people who *live* for drama. These are not big blowups
 

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Jiggling boobs are not sexy? Or do you mean to the one who has the boobs that are jiggling? I would think that depends on the amount of force generated by said jiggling. A small oscillation frequency is quite pleasant on most bodyparts.
Jiggling is great, Jiggle Physics are a sin against god and man.
 

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You provided zero evidence for your statement, and it was an absolute negative. Therefore, my single positive anecdote is enough to prove it as wrong.



The city I live closest to is smaller than Columbus, Ohio. (For obvious reasons, I'm being vague here)



Funny how most of those positions you list here are filled by the same liberal arts degrees you were railing against earlier in thread....

Thank you for proving how wrong you were.
None of those degrees are gender studies majors.
 
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So why have they got upset over Project Eve recently?
Why did they feel the need to make changes to Resident Evil 2 remake?
Why did they feel the need to censor Trish's ass in DMC 5?
Why are the so upset about Amazon's She-Ra series possibly going back more towards the original?
Why was there a thread only the other week on twitter with a number of journalists from certain publications and others on about how sexy female characters upset them or were oppressive?
Why are you so outraged over the outrage though?

I mean, let's take She-Ra as an example. When the reboot came out, SQWs were up in arms about her less feminine appearance. So now, taking this as an example, SJWs are upset about her more feminine appearance. My idea?

 
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Why are you so outraged over the outrage though?

I mean, let's take She-Ra as an example. When the reboot came out, SQWs were up in arms about her less feminine appearance. So now, taking this as an example, SJWs are upset about her more feminine appearance. My idea?
There is no "more feminine appearance". There's no footage or pictures of Amazon's live action She-Ra at all. They don't even have a writer. This is fans of the popular cartoon mocking the big corporate live action attempt just like what happens with every other big corporate live action attempt.

Only it's a thing "SJWs"/LGBT people like, so it's part of the culture war.
 
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