Gender Theory

[mesoforte]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

Because a dress isn't a kilt and only real men wear kilts!

 

[Daveman]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

I've worn a skirt out clubbing. I am also a man. I was not called a pervert.

Or does it not count when you do it with a group of mates... or does it make it worse...

help me, social convention is my Achilles heel.

Reposting here as it is necessary:

If a key opens many locks it is a master key, if a lock is opened by many keys it is a shitty lock.

My favourite thing about that quote is that it's insulting on so many levels, you know? I mean, it doesn't just reinforce the whole "if a man likes sex, who cares, he's a man, but if a woman likes sex, she's a disgusting whore" thing - it also assumes the kind of backwards sexual and gender identity that women's rights movements have been railing against for decades. The key and lock metaphor implies that sexual pleasure, chastity, etc. is something a woman has to protect, otherwise she's failed at being a woman, while simultaneously encouraging the notion that a man's worth should be measured by the range of his sexual conquests, a concept steeped in discrimination and potentially harmful psychoses in its own right.

And you don't even have to think that deeply - it basically calls promiscuous women "shitty" straight out, no pop sociology required. You rarely come across a sentence that can be so universally insulting and disgusting - it's really quite impressive.

I think the key and lock analogy is actually used because it's hard to get a woman to sleep with you, not so with men. Men are up for almost anything with anyone.

 

[mesoforte]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

I've worn a skirt out clubbing. I am also a man. I was not called a pervert.

Or does it not count when you do it with a group of mates... or does it make it worse...

help me, social convention is my Achilles heel.

It does...pervert.

More importantly, why did a group of guys go out in a skirt clubbing?

 

[Break]

I don't play by all the rules of fashion. To me, clothing is a necessary evil, but one I am not overly inclined to spend much money, time, or thought on. Comfort before all else, and my style is my own. I have a thing for black (though not exclusively), but I am no emo or goth. Brand name is nothing to me, I choose brands for fit and durability, and couldn't give two shits if it says Tommy Hilfiger or Mark's Work Wearhouse. I wear suspenders with T-Shirts, jogging pants aren't a sin to wear outdoors in my eyes, and I gladly wear a golf shirt with my woodland camo shorts. And here, in the anonymity of the internet, I will admit that under all my clothing I wear panties. Bikini cut mostly, typically plain white cotton ones, all because they are more comfortable than briefs or boxers. If wearing womens underwear makes me a pervert, I guess I must be one, but I do it because they are the only undergarments I've tried that keep me from crushing my family jewels every time I sit down. In the end, it's the same material, made by the same company, and used for the same purpose. So what if the cut is a little different?

Despite agreeing completely with your point on bullshit fashion traditions (sounds like suitable material for one of your rants, if you haven't made one already) the burning question is, predictably enough, how did the situation arise that you actually discovered the comfort of panties, exactly? A bet, or simple curiousity, or to prove decisively that you don't care for marketing departments telling you what clothes you can wear..? I can only imagine that there's a story.

 

[MurderousToaster]

I wouldn't really call this a theory, more a 'stating what other people have said, and asking for opinions".

Otherwise, I'd say it's just because of how the world works, and stereotyping.

 

[Daveman]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

I've worn a skirt out clubbing. I am also a man. I was not called a pervert.

Or does it not count when you do it with a group of mates... or does it make it worse...

help me, social convention is my Achilles heel.

It does...pervert.

More importantly, why did a group of guys go out in a skirt clubbing?

In the UK our sports teams are so manly and sexually alluring that when we go out on "social nights" we have to dress up in such a way as to appear less attractive i.e. wearing skirts, dressed in tight lycra, pretending to be gimps etc etc. Plus it's a laugh.

edit: I didn't go on the gimp one...

 

[Normalgamer]

I've been seeing alot of threads like this, and I have to say something:
Life isn't fair guys, it never will be, it never has been, ever. Period. Double period. Chocolate period. . Yes, double standards suck, yes, stereo-typing and type-casting are for retards and such. But they exist, and I highly doubt that someone is going to go on a gamer's forum, read "Sexism is still rampant." and then suddenly think:
"Oh, maybe I shouldn't have hit that one guy in the nads, or made fun of that fat bloke in the skirt."
No, they're going to probably go like this if they already are stupid enough to think those things:
"lol gamin sit wat a bunch of rtard"

So, if that was TL;DR:
Life isn't fair, and if we/you actually want something done, actually do something, convince the escapist to post a topic on sexism, or why men can wear skirts, it's a small step, but if you want people to do something about what you think is wrong, you have to convince them too.

 

[WastedHero]

More men have hit women than vice versa.

Bullshit.
Odds are very, very good that more women have hit men, because women don't automatically go to jail for it, and it is considered unmanly for a man to report being struck by women. In some places there's even hard data to back this up.

Oh my god this is so true. My girlfriend likes to fight with me when she doesn't get what she wants and she punches pretty hard (she's a big girl). However the moment I hit back, and I'm hitting back as if my hand was broken(aka extremely lightly) she cringes and says that really hurt. Don't dish it out if you can't take ANY of it! We are not your personal punching bags, ladies.

But not to worry...she's gonna be getting the relationship pink slip pretty soon.


By the way, this thread is total bane bait.

 

[ultrachicken]

It's less acceptable for women to be aggressive (this results in the average woman receiving a lower wage than the average man)

What? Aggressiveness? I allways thought it was because women cost a company more through maternity leave?

No, women earn less money on average because they're less likely to go for a raise or try to get more money from their boss.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

Double standards?
Oh and a woman can get a man arrested for indecent exposure if she see's him undressing in an open window in his own house at (added) five in the morning after cutting through his yard "bringing her child to school".

Yeah thats right, i read that article.

 

[Uberjoe19]

The various gender stereotypes are actually some of the oldest in existence. They're not going to change any time soon, either.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

I think of Eddie Izzard when I hear this. He puts it in such a genius way. "Women wear whatever they want, and so do I." People should follow his example.

 

[e2density]

It's just naturally how women are built. They are supposed to be more gentle and smarter, versus the larger built horny sex machines that is the human male.

EDIT1: 800 posts...yay?

 

[Uberjoe19]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

I think of Eddie Izzard when I hear this. He puts it in such a genius way. "Women wear whatever they want, and so do I." People should follow his example.

You gotta love Eddie Izzard.

 

[silver wolf009]

Its the general statment because of the way people acted before us. Its hard for a group to break away from how they treated people then and change how they treat them now.

 

[rokkolpo]

I've got a question: Why is it that a woman can wear trousers & no-one so much as bats an eyelid, yet a man who wears a dress is "a pervert"?

i have yet to meet a man that looks good in a dress.

a girl in skinny jeans however RAWR

 

[Dr. Crawver]

I have to agree. It is unfair, but the sexes will never be equal, at the very least physically.

 

[maninahat]

It's less acceptable for women to be aggressive (this results in the average woman receiving a lower wage than the average man)

What? Aggressiveness? I allways thought it was because women cost a company more through maternity leave?

Same here. Maternity leave also allows other men to potentially fill in for the women's position at the job. These men gets months worth of a head start to rise up the pecking order as a result. Of course there is nothing to say another woman couldn't fill this temporary role and get the promotion, but seeing as how female pregnancy is fairly common, the oppurtunities maternity leave will present, will occur regularly in offices.

 

[mesoforte]

In the UK our sports teams are so manly and sexually alluring that when we go out on "social nights" we have to dress up in such a way as to appear less attractive i.e. wearing skirts, dressed in tight lycra, pretending to be gimps etc etc. Plus it's a laugh.

edit: I didn't go on the gimp one...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha. Ha. Ha.

You win the thread. I bow to you.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Reposting here as it is necessary:

If a key opens many locks it is a master key, if a lock is opened by many keys it is a shitty lock.

My favourite thing about that quote is that it's insulting on so many levels, you know? I mean, it doesn't just reinforce the whole "if a man likes sex, who cares, he's a man, but if a woman likes sex, she's a disgusting whore" thing - it also assumes the kind of backwards sexual and gender identity that women's rights movements have been railing against for decades. The key and lock metaphor implies that sexual pleasure, chastity, etc. is something a woman has to protect, otherwise she's failed at being a woman, while simultaneously encouraging the notion that a man's worth should be measured by the range of his sexual conquests, a concept steeped in discrimination and potentially harmful psychoses in its own right.

And you don't even have to think that deeply - it basically calls promiscuous women "shitty" straight out, no pop sociology required. You rarely come across a sentence that can be so universally insulting and disgusting - it's really quite impressive.

What I have to say is very irrelevant, but just for the sake of the metaphor, a lock that can't be opened by any key is an equally shitty lock, so the metaphor should imply 1 lock=1 key.