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I haven't signed into my PSN in three years. I was still planning to use it. I'm just in a transitional living situation. What horseshit.
Your account will probably still be there.

There was a guy on here that had long since neglected to log in to their account and managed to reclaim it. If you really must log in, just go to their website on your phone or log in to their application on mobile. If you care about the account then you can log in, same as you're finding time to post here.
 

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Your account will probably still be there.

There was a guy on here that had long since neglected to log in to their account and managed to reclaim it. If you really must log in, just go to their website on your phone or log in to their application on mobile. If you care about the account then you can log in, same as you're finding time to post here.

I checked the USA terms of use. No mention of three years. It looks like a GDPR policy forced upon EU users.
 
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Your account will probably still be there.

There was a guy on here that had long since neglected to log in to their account and managed to reclaim it. If you really must log in, just go to their website on your phone or log in to their application on mobile. If you care about the account then you can log in, same as you're finding time to post here.
Yeah, keeping an account active is merely a matter of checking in every few months even for a minute if that, and doesn’t necessitate playing anything for x amount of time, let alone buying anything. I had the same thing happen to one of my Google email accounts, and an old credit union account I used for an auto loan a couple times. The former was closed from non use and the latter I had to make *some* deposit of sorts to keep it from dormancy. I got used to the yearly call, and eventually just let it close.
 

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Your account will probably still be there.

There was a guy on here that had long since neglected to log in to their account and managed to reclaim it. If you really must log in, just go to their website on your phone or log in to their application on mobile. If you care about the account then you can log in, same as you're finding time to post here.
I think we can all agree it’s still really fucked up.

For some, these accounts might hold sentimental values. The trophies they unlocked, the friends they made, and all those special moments made on PSN are all about to be erased. It's kinda like that relic that you keepsake at the attic of your house, or somewhere deep in your closet or garage.

Not even Xbox is doing bullshit like this.....yet
 

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I think we can all agree it’s still really fucked up.
Not saying it isn't, merely saying that if Zeke has time to post on here then he has time to log in to his PS Account, regardless of what his current living situation is.

I agree that it's a pain to have to think about it and do it.
 
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Not saying it isn't, merely saying that if Zeke has time to post on here then he has time to log in to his PS Account, regardless of what his current living situation is.

I agree that it's a pain to have to think about it and do it.
According to Zeke its to do with the General Data Protection Regulation laws in the EU. Which makes sense but this is the first time I'm hearing about it in relation to video game accounts so I can't help but think that Sony is attempting to toss an otherwise - as I understand it - solid digital privacy regulation under the bus to keep some of the blame off them.
 
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According to Zeke its to do with the General Data Protection Regulation laws in the EU. Which makes sense but this is the first time I'm hearing about it in relation to video game accounts so I can't help but think that Sony is attempting to toss an otherwise - as I understand it - solid digital privacy regulation under the bus to keep some of the blame off them.
No, the policy was added in April, as the tweet FakeSympathy posted said. I know it affects the British, who have their own GDPR.


21.2 If you have not used your Account for at least 36 months we may take steps to close it. In that case, we will contact you via the email address registered to your Account and give you 6 months to either log in to your Account or contact us and tell us to keep your Account open.
21.3 After your Account is closed, you will not be able to access the PlayStation Online Services or use the Digital Products purchased with that Account. Account closure is irreversible.

The Americans would have it under section 12. It's not there.



And no, I did not think my account was definitely closed, but it was annoying to have to worry about.
 

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Fun fact: there are rumors that Sony was actually planning on the Microsoft layoff news to overshadow their announcement, hence the timing.
 

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Your account will probably still be there.

There was a guy on here that had long since neglected to log in to their account and managed to reclaim it. If you really must log in, just go to their website on your phone or log in to their application on mobile. If you care about the account then you can log in, same as you're finding time to post here.
That guy was me. And yes, I was inactive on PlayStation for over a decade, and my account was deactivated, but I was able to reactivate it with a password change. That said, I've not tried to access the handful of purchases I made via my PS3. I honestly don't recall what I bought digitally as I was pretty staunch in my "physical copies only" policy when I got my PS3 in 2009, but I'm pretty sure I bought a couple digital titles, and I'm curious to see if Sony still honors those purchases assuming they're backwards compatible on the PS5. I just had my PS3 plugged in a little over a month ago, but don't recall seeing anything I'd purchased that I still care about, but that's not the point; Sony has my money, I should have my games, or at least credit to their storefront if my "purchases" are no longer available.

I don't know why I'm so passionate about this issue. I barely have enough time to play videogames, but the idea that something as fundamentally basic as consumer ownership is under attack in an already greedy industry is disturbing to me. They save money, charge more money, and give us less? I don't care if I never touch a controller ever again in my life, who see this and just shrugs it off without this industry feeling the weight of such a selfish decision? A part of me wants the satisfaction of a major failure of the next generation of consoles, people voting with their wallets and refusing to support this "inevitable" evolution of a system that benefits the billion-dollar companies while stepping on the necks of people just wanting, willing, and waiting to play games.
 

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don't know why I'm so passionate about this issue. I barely have enough time to play videogames, but the idea that something as fundamentally basic as consumer ownership is under attack in an already greedy industry is disturbing to me. They save money, charge more money, and give us less? I don't care if I never touch a controller ever again in my life, who see this and just shrugs it off without this industry feeling the weight of such a selfish decision? A part of me wants the satisfaction of a major failure of the next generation of consoles, people voting with their wallets and refusing to support this "inevitable" evolution of a system that benefits the billion-dollar companies while stepping on the necks of people just wanting, willing, and waiting to play games.
Because you had to pay with your own hard earned cash. There's nothing wrong with being passionate. Especially at this point in time with the way Sony is heading.
 

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It's kinda miracle the second video game market crash didn't happen yet. I guess it's because of the shills who will bend over to defend their favorite brands?

I feel super bad for those who affected by the layoffs. But part of me is screaming for tha crash to happen already, if it means wiping the state clean and maybe not see these greedy big-wigs for another few decades or so.
 
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Because you had to pay with your own hard earned cash. There's nothing wrong with being passionate. Especially at this point in time with the way Sony is heading.
The cash I spent has nothing to do with it; those games I bought were likely $5-$10 thrown at games out of disposable curiosity. But we're talking about a future where EVERY game is digital, and "ownership" is contingent upon availability allowed by the corporations collecting the money. It's not fair they can charge $80 and not guarantee that purchase will be at your disposal forever. Like I've said in other posts, the cost of digital convenience needs to be matched with significantly lower costs. The consumers shouldn't accept this "logical" evolution of the industry if the only thing evolving is our lack of ownership and the size of their coffers.

Games are getting bigger, potentially outgrowing the capacity pf physical discs, fine! Put the game on multiple discs and charge more; if your product is worth it, people will pay for it. But don't sell us an $80 digital code while you can't be arsed to put it on a disc we can play anywhere, loan, or god forbid, SELL to be re-sold at a used premium. We gain nothing in this new deal; in fact, we're losing, and the billionaires are gaining everything, and the only clear reason is greed, the ever-worsening state of the gaming industry: they want to put in as little effort as possible and ensure we can't benefit from the exchange at all. Used to be I'd buy a game, not like it, and trade it in or sell it. The future? Sorry, you gotta suck that shit up, buttercup; we keep the money, and you've got something taking up space on your hard drive that you'll never use and will probably just delete.

I'm a sucker for GTA, so yes, I will be accepting these terms for GTA6, but beyond that? Another full-retail purchase for a digital code is going to have to be the Second Coming of Christ-level of amazing to make me even think about "buying" a new game. Gone are the days of wistful curiosity where I might try something at a reasonable expense if I'm effectively stuck with what I buy and only as long as they allow me to have it.

Remember when Game Stop was the bad guy, giving sellers a fraction of what they would sell their used games for? That doesn't sound like such a bad deal now, does it? The future is we're stuck with gigabytes of data completely at the whim of big corporations.
 
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It's kinda miracle the second video game market crash didn't happen yet. I guess it's because of the shills who will bend over to defend their favorite brands?
I think it's because of how big gaming got amongst the normie ignorant masses who only buy and play two or three games a year. These people are the ones whho play the live service battle pass ridden slop and pay for it over and over again. The Call of Duty folks, the Fifa/Madden Ultimate team idiots, these are the people who are making companies push for live service trash because they pay for the same garbage year after year.

It's this same group of people that don't follow gaming news, don't even know a new game is coming out until they see it advertised on TV, and know nothing about layoffs or anything like that. They just know the new Halo is coming out and want to pwn some noobs.

The industry is going to crash if these companies really try to make consoles a subscription service. If you have to rent your Ps6 or whatever that'll be it. Because gamers will revolt against it, and the normies wont bother with trying to keep up constant fees to play shit they aren't really that invested in.
 

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the normie ignorant masses who only buy and play two or three games a year. These people are the ones whho play the live service battle pass ridden slop and pay for it over and over again. The Call of Duty folks, the Fifa/Madden Ultimate team idiots, these are the people who are making companies push for live service trash because they pay for the same garbage year after year.
I already had this conversation with someone else at a different place, and I am going to have to do this here:

The term "normies" has changed constantly and rapidly in the gaming sector, more than any media on Earth. First it meant gamers who liked realistic sports games or "jocks". Or games that weren't always rooted in "nerd medieval fantasy" nor anime (varied from time to time). Then it went to platformer games, "kiddie games", or anything by Nintendo. Then it went to casual gamers. When in reality, all hardcore gamer originally meant was someone who loves and plays games of nearly every genre, and 100% completes them. Not this whole: "hardcore gamers like only many things and things with tits, blood, and gore". Which is something the AAA industry used as manipulation tactics, twisting the term. Now, "normies" just means anyone different, or play games that don't appeal to me. It's a load of bullshit, and petty human tribalism seeking to divide others, because otherwise, they don't feel special nor unique. Punk ass bitches. I know that's not your personal definition, CriticalGaming, but I noticed a pattern online. Yes, I had my own hatred for COD and Gears, but that was more so the industry and professional critics buttering up each entry, and rarely ever criticizing them unless they really fucked up. I never took out on people wanting to play these games, nor people who did not follow gaming news much. I would inform them, and most thanked me or became more alert, but I can't obviously control them.

The Call of Duty folks, the Fifa/Madden Ultimate team idiots, these are the people who are making companies push for live service trash because they pay for the same garbage year after year.

It's this same group of people that don't follow gaming news, don't even know a new game is coming out until they see it advertised on TV, and know nothing about layoffs or anything like that. They just know the new Halo is coming out and want to pwn some noobs.
Funny mentioned that: not many "normies" followed much gaming news back then, and only played what was popular or whatever everyone was talking about. Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Doom, Resident Evil, Sonic, Mario, Zelda, Tekken, FFVII, etc. The cycle always shifts.
 
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The industry is going to crash if these companies really try to make consoles a subscription service. If you have to rent your Ps6 or whatever that'll be it. Because gamers will revolt against it, and the normies wont bother with trying to keep up constant fees to play shit they aren't really that invested in.
This is what needs to happen. The industry needs to recognize that this exchange is a two-way street; they can't just make up the rules that benefit them, and expect the sales that maximize their profit. GTA6 might be the last game to get away with this bullshit, and I'm admitting that as someone who's going to buy it, because there's very little else that entices me to want to buy $80-$100 digital games. Unless publishers are ready to invest $2 BILLION into every AAA title, they shouldn't expect gamers to spend $80 on every digital game just because "another one." My guess is the next move is to kill servers for older games sooner to try and force players to newer titles, and when those same player realize the game they "bought" isn't readily available, they might be a bit more selective with their purchases going forward.
 

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I'm on a Discord server run by Stephanie Sterling, and she raised a very good point. She basically hopes that GTA VI does not do as well as expected, at least, because of the industry needing a real wakeup call, but also said that she doesn't think that it will ever fully crash, nor will any industry, at least not in the same way as the 1980's. Instead, what we'll get is a bunch of minor crashes, or a slow decay as the industry struggles to meet their own ridiculous expectations, but with hopefully newer companies stepping in to shift gears into more creative outputs that don't rely on making bajillions of dollars just to not fail. Not even just necessarily indie studios, mind you, as she pointed out that Capcom seems to be doing just fine for themselves on both a stability and non-cynical output level.