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”My sense is it had a lot to do with accountability. Johnny owned his issues. He was very candid about his alcohol and drug issues. He was candid about some unfortunate texts that he wrote. I think it was a sharp contrast to Ms. Heard, who the jury may have perceived that she didn't take accountability for anything.”
 
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”My sense is it had a lot to do with accountability. Johnny owned his issues. He was very candid about his alcohol and drug issues. He was candid about some unfortunate texts that he wrote. I think it was a sharp contrast to Ms. Heard, who the jury may have perceived that she didn't take accountability for anything.”
Makes sense. I mean, if you're on trial and owning a lot of the bad shit being dragged from your past, you would come off as more credible, at least sympathetic. Eric Clapton said it best: "I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy." Guilty of some but not all versus vehemently denying ANY wrongdoing will always resonate with a jury of your peers. Won't always get you off the charges, but at least they're more likely to trust your word.

That said, I didn't follow the trial at all save for reading a few cursory headlines, so I don't know what Heard claimed or what if anything she owned up to from her side (something about intentionally shitting the bed?) but I know the stance "I did nothing wrong" is hard to float without substantial evidence. No one's perfect; we all fuck up sometimes, and claiming to be the sole saint in a two-way relationship is a tall tale few will fall for.
 
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That explains why it's taking him so long. Take all the time you need dude. I never liked, nor cared much for the series to begin with. Every man or woman needs their rest and proper mental treatment.
 
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”My sense is it had a lot to do with accountability. Johnny owned his issues. He was very candid about his alcohol and drug issues. He was candid about some unfortunate texts that he wrote. I think it was a sharp contrast to Ms. Heard, who the jury may have perceived that she didn't take accountability for anything.”
You could say...she..was perceived..as a..BAD ACTOR!

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”My sense is it had a lot to do with accountability. Johnny owned his issues. He was very candid about his alcohol and drug issues. He was candid about some unfortunate texts that he wrote. I think it was a sharp contrast to Ms. Heard, who the jury may have perceived that she didn't take accountability for anything.”
This is rich

Heard herself acknowledged and took responsibility for hitting and name calling. What she didn't do was claim she was the primary abuser. People also ignore the multiple times Depp himself lied on the stand.


Claiming he never headbutted her in his original witness statement, then after he was shown the audio of him saying it, he said he did it accidentally but couldn't explain why it was omitted from his witness statement.

Claiming he remembered the Boston flight very well, then changing his tune, saying he he had partial memory because he was blacked out.

Claiming that the audio recording of the Boston flight was not him, then changing his tune and said it was him, but of another time, but the metadata showed he was lying.

Claiming that he didn't remember a phone in the Australia house, then admitted that he had previously described where it was and what it looked like in UK trial.

Claiming that he had not taken cocaine on the Boston flight, then on cross examination saying that his statement had been incorrect, he was drunk and high on many substances.

Claiming that he didn't have an anger problem but admitted to being arrested for assaulting (not just threatening) a photographer with a wooden plank, assaulting a security guard, assaulting another photographer by pulling his ears hard. His exes talked about his rage, his fellow workers talked about his temper under the influence, his psychiatrist documented his anger problem.

Claiming under oath that he didn't have a substance use problem, when his psychiatrist and doctor has documented it in their notes and he went through detox several times.

Claiming that when he was arrested for thrashing a hotel room, all he did was break a vase and maybe a cup, and slid a couch across the floor, even though the bill came to $10,000.

Claiming that the disgusting texts were not his, but came from Amber's lawyer hacking his phone the night before.

Claiming that he and Vanessa Paridis were always on good terms after their breakup and he continued to love her, but when showed text of him saying that Amber was "not a pain in the arse, like the ex-French albatross, no comparison", said that "it was very disrespectful and disgusting in a way, yes".

Not related to the trial, but there's also that time he lied about having Native American ancestry which was disproven by DNA testing.

Depp lied several times throughout this trial, only admitting to the truth when he was backed into a corner with irrefutable evidence.
 

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Makes sense. I mean, if you're on trial and owning a lot of the bad shit being dragged from your past, you would come off as more credible, at least sympathetic. Eric Clapton said it best: "I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy." Guilty of some but not all versus vehemently denying ANY wrongdoing will always resonate with a jury of your peers. Won't always get you off the charges, but at least they're more likely to trust your word.

That said, I didn't follow the trial at all save for reading a few cursory headlines, so I don't know what Heard claimed or what if anything she owned up to from her side (something about intentionally shitting the bed?) but I know the stance "I did nothing wrong" is hard to float without substantial evidence. No one's perfect; we all fuck up sometimes, and claiming to be the sole saint in a two-way relationship is a tall tale few will fall for.
Heard never claimed she did nothing wrong.
 

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Well, he's already directed movies about a bald hero with ludicrous feats. Though I think the power of family is way more OP than Saitama.
The Fast and Furious movies throws the word, "family" around like cheap Dollar store fruit chews. Ever since after the third movie. It all rings hollow. The Streets of Rage games have a better understanding of family, without spitting it in the audience's face every 5 minutes.
 

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They're making Joker 2... and it's going to be a musical. Fuck. Me.

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was a great standalone film. It doesn't need a sequel; we already know what happens next; we've seen it a multitude of times, in myriad ways, much to the ire of the hoards of Batman canon purists and smug cinephiles. We don't need this, and we certainly don't need a fucking musical. I miss the days when a good movie came out, and it was just a good movie and not something to be exploited ad nauseum after garnering a modicum of success and respect. And why a musical??? Take that shit to Broadway for the theater snobs who can expect that shit; don't make a major motion picture.

And Lady Gaga? No disrespect to the woman, but this reeks of a triple-scoop ice cream cone with whipped cream and sprinkles: silly, pretentious, obviously more about spectacle than practicality, and about to be a huge mess.

 

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Haven’t watched myself but have heard there’s a ton of explicit stuff involving private parts and ultra violence (often together).




Nice thought but we all know it won’t.
 
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They're making Joker 2... and it's going to be a musical. Fuck. Me.

Joker was a great standalone film. It doesn't need a sequel; we already know what happens next; we've seen it a multitude of times, in myriad ways, much to the ire of the hoards of Batman canon purists and smug cinephiles. We don't need this, and we certainly don't need a fucking musical. I miss the days when a good movie came out, and it was just a good movie and not something to be exploited ad nauseum after garnering a modicum of success and respect. And why a musical??? Take that shit to Broadway for the theater snobs who can expect that shit; don't make a major motion picture.

And Lady Gaga? No disrespect to the woman, but this reeks of a triple-scoop ice cream cone with whipped cream and sprinkles: silly, pretentious, obviously more about spectacle than practicality, and about to be a huge mess.

My dad cannot know about this! He literally said they're going to make a sequel and predicted it a month after the movie came out! I know I can't hide this from him forever, but I am not saying anything until he finds out himself. Looks like Joker is getting the last laugh.


 
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My dad cannot know about this! He literally said they're going to make a sequel and predicted it a month after the movie came out! I know I can't hide this from him forever, but I and not saying anything until he finds out himself. Looks like Joker is getting the last laugh.


I guess it is a bit apropos, being the Joker n'all, that an unnecessary sequel carrying his name, completely tonally dissonant from its predecessor, might cause misery. He really is getting the last laugh...
 

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This is rich

Heard herself acknowledged and took responsibility for hitting and name calling. What she didn't do was claim she was the primary abuser. People also ignore the multiple times Depp himself lied on the stand.


Claiming he never headbutted her in his original witness statement, then after he was shown the audio of him saying it, he said he did it accidentally but couldn't explain why it was omitted from his witness statement.

Claiming he remembered the Boston flight very well, then changing his tune, saying he he had partial memory because he was blacked out.

Claiming that the audio recording of the Boston flight was not him, then changing his tune and said it was him, but of another time, but the metadata showed he was lying.

Claiming that he didn't remember a phone in the Australia house, then admitted that he had previously described where it was and what it looked like in UK trial.

Claiming that he had not taken cocaine on the Boston flight, then on cross examination saying that his statement had been incorrect, he was drunk and high on many substances.

Claiming that he didn't have an anger problem but admitted to being arrested for assaulting (not just threatening) a photographer with a wooden plank, assaulting a security guard, assaulting another photographer by pulling his ears hard. His exes talked about his rage, his fellow workers talked about his temper under the influence, his psychiatrist documented his anger problem.

Claiming under oath that he didn't have a substance use problem, when his psychiatrist and doctor has documented it in their notes and he went through detox several times.

Claiming that when he was arrested for thrashing a hotel room, all he did was break a vase and maybe a cup, and slid a couch across the floor, even though the bill came to $10,000.

Claiming that the disgusting texts were not his, but came from Amber's lawyer hacking his phone the night before.

Claiming that he and Vanessa Paridis were always on good terms after their breakup and he continued to love her, but when showed text of him saying that Amber was "not a pain in the arse, like the ex-French albatross, no comparison", said that "it was very disrespectful and disgusting in a way, yes".

Not related to the trial, but there's also that time he lied about having Native American ancestry which was disproven by DNA testing.

Depp lied several times throughout this trial, only admitting to the truth when he was backed into a corner with irrefutable evidence.
Sounds like Depp’s star power overshadowed a lot of his own issues. They both were apparently victims of child abuse in dysfunctional homes, so them being abusive and dysfunctional towards each other while boldened by copious amounts of fame and money is no surprise.

Still when take at face value, there is an overwhelming disparity in court footage of Amber Heard putting on a show and being called on it vs Depp. Just a search of each name + “lying in court” yields results almost entirely against Heard either way. Can’t all be bots or Johnny’s lawyers messing with algorithms.
 
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I feel like, from a storytelling and editing perspective Joker was an absolute mess of cobbled together ideas held together by the thread of JPs over the top performance. I also firmly believe Todd Phillips is a hack. If you look his movies it's all generic crap carried by exceptionally good improve performance artists. I suspect he majorly had his hand held on Joker just to get it made. If he's doing Joker II, he's just going to be a stand in for the behind the scenes producers who are actually making the movie. More likely he bows out before it gets any where.

One thing I was thinking about is that JP doesn't appear to have ever done a sequel. He tends to run a few screws short of a picnic basket and is more of a archaistic performance artist. I recall him saying when he's done with a movie "He's Done" and he abhors press. I could see him fucking up production until the things falls apart to get out of his contract.

I think the thing that bothers me most about Joker is that it wasn't beetlejuice. By that I mean it was a pretty generic copy and paste of King Of Comedy and Taxi Driver and really didn't push any boundaries. Like what do you do now? Copy and Paste Fight club and a Star is Born? Well fuck me... I guess I just wrote their movie for them.
 

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I feel like, from a storytelling and editing perspective Joker was an absolute mess of cobbled together ideas held together by the thread of JPs over the top performance. I also firmly believe Todd Phillips is a hack. If you look his movies it's all generic crap carried by exceptionally good improve performance artists. I suspect he majorly had his hand held on Joker just to get it made. If he's doing Joker II, he's just going to be a stand in for the behind the scenes producers who are actually making the movie. More likely he bows out before it gets any where.

One thing I was thinking about is that JP doesn't appear to have ever done a sequel. He tends to run a few screws short of a picnic basket and is more of a archaistic performance artist. I recall him saying when he's done with a movie "He's Done" and he abhors press. I could see him fucking up production until the things falls apart to get out of his contract.

I think the thing that bothers me most about Joker is that it wasn't beetlejuice. By that I mean it was a pretty generic copy and paste of King Of Comedy and Taxi Driver and really didn't push any boundaries. Like what do you do now? Copy and Paste Fight club and a Star is Born? Well fuck me... I guess I just wrote their movie for them.
We don't have to agree as to our personal preference for the film, but I certainly agree as to your assessment of Joaquin Phoenix as an actor. A sequel almost feels... I dunno, beneath him? His films tend to be artistic ventures for him; I think the idea of sequels sully the essence of his work dragging it from art into entertainment, and Joaquin is NOT an entertainer. It almost leads me to believe Joker 2 as a musical might have been his idea just so he can watch it crash an burn in front of all the studio executives who want to capitalize on the success of the first film.