This is interesting. You wanna tell me that I'm "some dude spouting fancy legal jargon" and ask me why I think Hotz "gives two shits about" that, then accuse me of insulting you like a child. It wasn't my intent to insult you like a child as much as it was my intent to give you a dose of your own medicine. If you feel that I was insulting you like a child, too bad. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit (pun intended).danpascooch said:So you tell me I'm incorrect, and I cite and breakdown the evidence defending myself, and instead of explaining why you still thing I'm wrong you just insult me like a child?JDKJ said:danpascooch said:When did he promise he wouldn't bail out when asking for donations? You're putting words in his mouth which doesn't fly in a court of law, here is his request for donations:JDKJ said:Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.danpascooch said:You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.JDKJ said:Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.
And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.
As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.
Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.
First off, he didn't promise he wouldn't "bail out" (settle), not only that but he actually mentions what he would want out of a settlement (Showing that at the time of donation, people were aware settlement was a distinct possibility) The only two promises he made here that if violated could constitute embezzlement are:Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system
Donations here are for legal defense ONLY
I checked with my lawyers before setting this up
If you have another substantial way to donate aside from money, let me know
tl;dr
Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3. Help me own them in court
Sony are bullies
Sony doesn?t care if what you did was legal, if they don?t like it, they sue. Sony tried to sue a guy for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don?t really care about piracy, they care about control. In (Sony v Bleem), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down. Fortunately, that suit helped set precedent on the legality of emulators. I would hate to lose this case due to resource starvation, and with the support of the masses, I won?t. Lets turn the bully back on itself. This case has the ability to set a huge precedent for consoles and all closed systems to come. The other two should be begging Sony to back off.
Sony sued the wrong guy
I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone?s copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it?s paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of all previous cases (or, in reverse), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play ?super mario world, an unauthorized game? on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow?s goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It?s shameful on Sony?s part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don?t sue people who point out your shortcomings.
Why should I care about your personal legal troubles?
You shouldn?t. For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations. But this case isn?t about me. Clearly I am not being sued because of something I have that Sony wants, I am being sued in order to send a message that Sony is not to be messed with. But if I(and all codefendants likewise) actually win this, we have the power to send a much stronger message back. That consumers have rights, and we aren?t afraid to stand up for them.
Why should I trust you? I just saw you trying to rap battle Sony
My attempts at humor aside, I do take this whole matter very seriously. Again, it?s not about me, I was on the verge of quitting this stuff last June, and I would hate to be the one who sets a reputation for hackers that all a company has to do is sue us and we back down. In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.
Why did you wait until now to set this up?
I didn?t want to be trigger happy, and thought the suit might go away quickly. Also, I had to consult with my lawyers about how to do this. It?s been over a month, and it looks like this is going to be a drawn out case. I am in this for the long haul. I am very serious ethically when I take donations, for all iPhone work I only accepted after the fact, here after the fact is too late. Now I am pot committed so to say.
How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I?d like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the EFF.
What if I want to donate more than I feel comfortable sending through PayPal?
I?m excited! Email me, we?ll figure it out.
Why doesn?t the EFF fund this?
Ask them. They have offered to provide some legal help though, which is much appreciated.
Donate to help you, you?re the reason I can?t play Modern Warfare now?
No, I?m not. Kakaroto explains this really well here. I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I?m amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN.
I?m a poor college student, what can I do to help?
I feel you, don?t worry. Spread the word. Let people know how you feel about what Sony is doing. Let Sony know how you feel about what Sony is doing.
What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It?d be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I?m also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.
Why isn?t SCEA trying to settle?
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE?THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS?IM SO MADDDDDDDD?WAHHHHHH
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/02/geohots-legal-defense-fund-geohot-needs-your-help-to-fight-sony/#ixzz1JFIsEaZr
1.) All funds will be used for legal defense only
2.) If funds are left over they will be donated to the Electronic Frontier foundation.
Those were the promises as it pertains to the donations, and so far there is no evidence to suggest he violated either of them. Whether you are pissed at him or not is irrelevant, there is absolutely no evidence of fraudWhy are you thinking that I would give two shits what you, who don't know the difference between Law and Lawry's Seasoning Salt, think about a legal matter?danpascooch said:When did he promise he wouldn't bail out when asking for donations? You're putting words in his mouth which doesn't fly in a court of law, here is his request for donations:JDKJ said:Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.danpascooch said:You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.JDKJ said:Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.
And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.
As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.
Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.
First off, he didn't promise he wouldn't "bail out" (settle), not only that but he actually mentions what he would want out of a settlement (Showing that at the time of donation, people were aware settlement was a distinct possibility) The only two promises he made here that if violated could constitute embezzlement are:Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system
Donations here are for legal defense ONLY
I checked with my lawyers before setting this up
If you have another substantial way to donate aside from money, let me know
tl;dr
Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3. Help me own them in court
Sony are bullies
Sony doesn?t care if what you did was legal, if they don?t like it, they sue. Sony tried to sue a guy for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don?t really care about piracy, they care about control. In (Sony v Bleem), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down. Fortunately, that suit helped set precedent on the legality of emulators. I would hate to lose this case due to resource starvation, and with the support of the masses, I won?t. Lets turn the bully back on itself. This case has the ability to set a huge precedent for consoles and all closed systems to come. The other two should be begging Sony to back off.
Sony sued the wrong guy
I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone?s copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it?s paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of all previous cases (or, in reverse), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play ?super mario world, an unauthorized game? on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow?s goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It?s shameful on Sony?s part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don?t sue people who point out your shortcomings.
Why should I care about your personal legal troubles?
You shouldn?t. For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations. But this case isn?t about me. Clearly I am not being sued because of something I have that Sony wants, I am being sued in order to send a message that Sony is not to be messed with. But if I(and all codefendants likewise) actually win this, we have the power to send a much stronger message back. That consumers have rights, and we aren?t afraid to stand up for them.
Why should I trust you? I just saw you trying to rap battle Sony
My attempts at humor aside, I do take this whole matter very seriously. Again, it?s not about me, I was on the verge of quitting this stuff last June, and I would hate to be the one who sets a reputation for hackers that all a company has to do is sue us and we back down. In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.
Why did you wait until now to set this up?
I didn?t want to be trigger happy, and thought the suit might go away quickly. Also, I had to consult with my lawyers about how to do this. It?s been over a month, and it looks like this is going to be a drawn out case. I am in this for the long haul. I am very serious ethically when I take donations, for all iPhone work I only accepted after the fact, here after the fact is too late. Now I am pot committed so to say.
How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I?d like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the EFF.
What if I want to donate more than I feel comfortable sending through PayPal?
I?m excited! Email me, we?ll figure it out.
Why doesn?t the EFF fund this?
Ask them. They have offered to provide some legal help though, which is much appreciated.
Donate to help you, you?re the reason I can?t play Modern Warfare now?
No, I?m not. Kakaroto explains this really well here. I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I?m amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN.
I?m a poor college student, what can I do to help?
I feel you, don?t worry. Spread the word. Let people know how you feel about what Sony is doing. Let Sony know how you feel about what Sony is doing.
What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It?d be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I?m also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.
Why isn?t SCEA trying to settle?
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE?THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS?IM SO MADDDDDDDD?WAHHHHHH
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/02/geohots-legal-defense-fund-geohot-needs-your-help-to-fight-sony/#ixzz1JFIsEaZr
1.) All funds will be used for legal defense only
2.) If funds are left over they will be donated to the Electronic Frontier foundation.
Those were the promises as it pertains to the donations, and so far there is no evidence to suggest he violated either of them. Whether you are pissed at him or not is irrelevant, there is absolutely no evidence of fraud
Grow up.
And to answer your question, I thought you would give "two shits" because you quoted me a couple posts ago, if you don't care what I have to say, why respond to my initial quote? Or do you only stop caring when somebody shows evidence that you're incorrect?
