GeoHot and Sony Settle PS3 Jailbreak Case

[Baresark]

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How about the point at which, when asked if he will ever settle with Sony, he categorically and arrogantly and, as it turns out, falsely states that he will not settle with Sony but on his terms which include that Sony "[restore] OtherOS on all PS3s and apolog[ize] on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it?" I'll bet $1,000,000 that the terms of his settlement with Sony say nothing of the sort.

How about the part where he didn't guarantee this? He said it's what he wanted, which is not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. He said that he would fight for that, but once again, didn't guarantee this. He stated again and again that this was about sending a message, which is the one thing he did guarantee, and I would say, message sent.

Though, I am compelled to agree that there is no way in HELL Sony agreed to what he was asking.

And pray tell, outta curiosity, just what was the "message that he sent?" Because, while I'm sure that you'll disagree with me, on my score card I have Sony winning every round thus far and well ahead of Mr. Hotz on points. That he decided to throw in the towel and not answer the bell makes perfect sense to me. I saw a monumental ass-whupping in his future. So, again, I'm not seeing the "message" sent, unless the message is that if you're stupid enough to think that you and your solo-practitioner attorney can take on a multi-billion dollar corporation like Sony and its high-priced legal guns, you're not so stupid to call it quits before they beat you to a bloody pulp. It that the same message you think was sent?

He literally said that you can stand up to a company like Sony, and not be beat to a bloody pulp. And, since Sony settled with him, they didn't win, so the fight isn't over, it's just on hold for the moment. I agree, it makes sense to throw in the towel for him, but who knows what might come along in the future. God forbid they try to sue someone in that same position with nothing to lose. Do I wish he saw it through to the end, you bet I do. But this is not the first time a case of this type has seen the light of day, and in the past it has not come down to a simple cut and dry argument you make it out to be. If anything, this can only get more interesting in the future.

 

[A1]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

I really wouldn't say that. We don't know what the full terms of the settlement are or more specifically what Hotz had to give up to get Sony to leave him alone. And we also don't know what the nature of the permanent injunction is. So we really have no way of knowing which party got the short end of the stick here, if anyone. Although it is interesting that after all his belligerent chest thumping that Hotz would then turn around and do something like this.

EDIT: Oops. Nevermind. It looks like I spoke too soon. Specifically before I noticed Lorenzo Linares's post.

 

[Baresark]

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I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.

Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P

LoL, strangely enough, I'm good with that. =P I have the most fun with you on these forums my friend. No one is as fervent as you in these arguments.

I will confess to also enjoying our discourses. You are invariably on the losing side on the debate, but I, nevertheless, respect your stick-to-it-tiveness. At least, you've got a whole lot more stick-to-it-tiveness than ol' quick-to-bail Georgie Boy.

Haha, I'll take what I can get! LoL, if I was in the position, I would have stuck to it more, but I don't have a lot to lose either. On the other hand, I'm not a hotshot hacker/rapper. ;P

 

[A1]

Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.

Wow. It does seem that way doesn't it? Hotz put up a strong front but privately he must have really been feeling the heat.

 

[A1]

Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.

Thanks for posting that. It put a big, shit-eating grin on my face. And confirmed what I long ago suspected: George Hotz is a loser.

Amen to that.

 

[JDKJ]

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How about the point at which, when asked if he will ever settle with Sony, he categorically and arrogantly and, as it turns out, falsely states that he will not settle with Sony but on his terms which include that Sony "[restore] OtherOS on all PS3s and apolog[ize] on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it?" I'll bet $1,000,000 that the terms of his settlement with Sony say nothing of the sort.

How about the part where he didn't guarantee this? He said it's what he wanted, which is not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. He said that he would fight for that, but once again, didn't guarantee this. He stated again and again that this was about sending a message, which is the one thing he did guarantee, and I would say, message sent.

Though, I am compelled to agree that there is no way in HELL Sony agreed to what he was asking.

And pray tell, outta curiosity, just what was the "message that he sent?" Because, while I'm sure that you'll disagree with me, on my score card I have Sony winning every round thus far and well ahead of Mr. Hotz on points. That he decided to throw in the towel and not answer the bell makes perfect sense to me. I saw a monumental ass-whupping in his future. So, again, I'm not seeing the "message" sent, unless the message is that if you're stupid enough to think that you and your solo-practitioner attorney can take on a multi-billion dollar corporation like Sony and its high-priced legal guns, you're not so stupid to call it quits before they beat you to a bloody pulp. It that the same message you think was sent?

He literally said that you can stand up to a company like Sony, and not be beat to a bloody pulp. And, since Sony settled with him, they didn't win, so the fight isn't over, it's just on hold for the moment. I agree, it makes sense to throw in the towel for him, but who knows what might come along in the future. God forbid they try to sue someone in that same position with nothing to lose. Do I wish he saw it through to the end, you bet I do. But this is not the first time a case of this type has seen the light of day, and in the past it has not come down to a simple cut and dry argument you make it out to be. If anything, this can only get more interesting in the future.

Sony didn't settle with him, he settled with Sony.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

 

[A1]

Yeah, I doubt Anon had anything to do with this. Glad it's over, though.

Anonymous most likely didn't have anything to do with this since this settlement was agreed upon BEFORE they started with their crap. More specifically on the 31st of March.

 

[Alluos]

That pic you keep using for related articles just seems to fit the mood every time.

 

[IamGamer41]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

You honestly think that kid gives two shits about some dude spouting fancy legal jargon on some forum claiming that they might sue him for fraud?

 

[winter2]

WHAT! *throws his popcorn to the ground*

Worst ending ever! I want my money back.

What he said!! I AM OUTRAGED! OUTRAGED I SAID!!

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

How boring, and how unproductive, this hardly solved anything.

I want my money back.

 

[moppop]

I want you money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

Can you please to me how saying that you are going to donate whatever excess money you have to charity and then doing so is fraud?

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

That's not where the fraud occurs. The fraud occurs in stating that you will accept my money and use it to accomplish Object X and then deliberately failing to accomplish Object X. Plain and simple. The promise to donate a surplus to the EFF was the surplus left over after Object X was accomplished. But Objective X was never accomplished. Therefore, there's no surplus.

A donation is a gift. Sorry, brah, but Hotz can do whatever the hell he wants with the leftover funds. You should be more careful with who and how much you donate your money to.

 

[Rayne870]

sucky ending.

 

[Danpascooch]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

When did he promise he wouldn't bail out when asking for donations? You're putting words in his mouth which doesn't fly in a court of law, here is his request for donations:

Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system

Donations here are for legal defense ONLY
I checked with my lawyers before setting this up
If you have another substantial way to donate aside from money, let me know

tl;dr
Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3. Help me own them in court

Sony are bullies
Sony doesn?t care if what you did was legal, if they don?t like it, they sue. Sony tried to sue a guy for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don?t really care about piracy, they care about control. In (Sony v Bleem), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down. Fortunately, that suit helped set precedent on the legality of emulators. I would hate to lose this case due to resource starvation, and with the support of the masses, I won?t. Lets turn the bully back on itself. This case has the ability to set a huge precedent for consoles and all closed systems to come. The other two should be begging Sony to back off.

Sony sued the wrong guy
I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone?s copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it?s paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of all previous cases (or, in reverse), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play ?super mario world, an unauthorized game? on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow?s goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It?s shameful on Sony?s part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don?t sue people who point out your shortcomings.

Why should I care about your personal legal troubles?
You shouldn?t. For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations. But this case isn?t about me. Clearly I am not being sued because of something I have that Sony wants, I am being sued in order to send a message that Sony is not to be messed with. But if I(and all codefendants likewise) actually win this, we have the power to send a much stronger message back. That consumers have rights, and we aren?t afraid to stand up for them.

Why should I trust you? I just saw you trying to rap battle Sony
My attempts at humor aside, I do take this whole matter very seriously. Again, it?s not about me, I was on the verge of quitting this stuff last June, and I would hate to be the one who sets a reputation for hackers that all a company has to do is sue us and we back down. In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.

Why did you wait until now to set this up?
I didn?t want to be trigger happy, and thought the suit might go away quickly. Also, I had to consult with my lawyers about how to do this. It?s been over a month, and it looks like this is going to be a drawn out case. I am in this for the long haul. I am very serious ethically when I take donations, for all iPhone work I only accepted after the fact, here after the fact is too late. Now I am pot committed so to say.

How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I?d like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the EFF.

What if I want to donate more than I feel comfortable sending through PayPal?
I?m excited! Email me, we?ll figure it out.

Why doesn?t the EFF fund this?
Ask them. They have offered to provide some legal help though, which is much appreciated.

Donate to help you, you?re the reason I can?t play Modern Warfare now?
No, I?m not. Kakaroto explains this really well here. I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I?m amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN.

I?m a poor college student, what can I do to help?
I feel you, don?t worry. Spread the word. Let people know how you feel about what Sony is doing. Let Sony know how you feel about what Sony is doing.

What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It?d be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I?m also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.

Why isn?t SCEA trying to settle?
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE?THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS?IM SO MADDDDDDDD?WAHHHHHH


Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/02/geohots-legal-defense-fund-geohot-needs-your-help-to-fight-sony/#ixzz1JFIsEaZr

First off, he didn't promise he wouldn't "bail out" (settle), not only that but he actually mentions what he would want out of a settlement (Showing that at the time of donation, people were aware settlement was a distinct possibility) The only two promises he made here that if violated could constitute embezzlement are:

1.) All funds will be used for legal defense only
2.) If funds are left over they will be donated to the Electronic Frontier foundation.

Those were the promises as it pertains to the donations, and so far there is no evidence to suggest he violated either of them. Whether you are pissed at him or not is irrelevant, there is absolutely no evidence of fraud

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

You honestly think that kid gives two shits about some dude spouting fancy legal jargon on some forum claiming that they might sue him for fraud?

Not half as much as he should be caring about that $250,000 dangling over his head if he's dumb enough to ever come near any of Sony's products in the future. If I were him, I wouldn't even play a PS3, just to be on the safe side.

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated to your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

Hero, my ass. You's a punky-ass *****. You had a choice: git down or lay down, And your sorry ass just laid down.

You try and talk shit to a guy while hiding behind the anonymous mask of the internet and you call him the punky-ass *****. HAH! You fit that description way more than he does. I'll bet anything if it was YOU getting sued you'd lay down and take it up the ass immediately while GeoHot at least fought for a couple of weeks. Go sit in the corner and keep your pea-brained ignorance to yourself little boy.

Are you suggesting that I wouldn't freely speak my mind to George Hotz in person? Have you not seen pictures of Georgie Boy? He don't weigh a buck-twenty-five soaking wet and looks like he'd have difficulty punching his way outta a wet paper bag. Who the fuck his Georgie Boy not tell him whatever's on your mind? If he don't like it, what's he gonna do about it? Kick my ass? Please.

 

[Arehexes]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

 

[Baradiel]

I wondered what was going to happen with this.

 

[Arehexes]

Now to wait for Kotick V. West + Zampella

Teacher Onizuka could you explain this case, I'm not following

 

[Sniper Team 4]

"It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind.

BAH HA HA HA HA! Even at the end, he's a lying idiot.