GeoHot and Sony Settle PS3 Jailbreak Case

[Jonabob87]

Yay! This means that Sony can continue to treat hardware purchased by their customers as company property! A great day for us all.

ToS, read them and choose "I agree" or "I disagree".

If you disagree you can do whatever the hell you want with your hardware as long as you don't connect it to Sony's PSN service. If you think that's anything but completely reasonable then I don't know what to tell you.

OT: Are people really surprised by this? He didn't have a chance in hell.

Personally I think he is a fraud for taking donations like he can't afford a lawyer, yet he can afford 3 PS3's and a random trip to Mexico. Not to mention trying that "Sony of North...America? What's that?" crap. The minute you try to get off on a technicality there's something wrong.

That's the way I see it anyway.

 

[JDKJ]

Does anyone else think this guy's pathetic? He's pretending he's some sort of revolutionary, everyones donating money and shit.... pathetic. Sony should have f*cked him over big time.

"Pathetic" doesn't even begin to properly describe George Hotz. "Pathetic" suggests that he is deserving of pity. He's not. He's deserving of contempt. Personally, I like "despicable."

 

[JDKJ]

Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.

Thanks for posting that. It put a big, shit-eating grin on my face. And confirmed what I long ago suspected: George Hotz is a loser.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

I...but...what...how?

Seriously? Really now?

You were the defendant in a case that was likely THE decideing moment to set precedent in how digital rights are owned and managed, you had gotten all of these supporters, had gotten sent god knows how much money in the mail, had sony downright SLANDER y0u by saying you rann off to south america, AND YOU FREAKING ACCEPT A BARGIN??!

What the hell, man?

Where does this leave him and his work, and us and the industry with this ordeal and the related argued legal rights mumbo jumbo?

Honestly folks, how did you expect this case to end?

I had thought and hoped that this would end up setting a legal precedent over EULAs, our rights to "own" our own stuff, etc, perhaps going all the way to the supreme court.

 

[standokan]

Damn, I wanted a bloodbath

 

[Therumancer]

I was hoping this was going to come down to an actual battle myself, and I was cheering for Geohotz to be honest. Like a lot of people, I think there were important issues that were at stake here.

I think the spirit of the monetary donations is pretty obvious, and if he donates the money to charity I think that will be fine in this case. He might not have lived up to the high expectations set for him, but that's always the risk in backing a case like this, I don't think he really did anything paticularly dishonest here, though some might disagree with me.

As far as Anonymous goes, I'm not sure if we can say he "trolled" them. Time will tell what their reaction to this whole thing is. If they have an issue, I'm sure they will make it known. In the end though, I suspect Anonymous got behind the issue, and might still be there, as opposed to acting as a "personal army" which by their own credo they are not. The failure of George Hotz, is not a failure of Anonymous. Like a lot of the people who donated to George expecting him to push the issue harder, they might not like the resolution, but they probably aren't going to pursue revenge, having been there for their own reasons to begin with.

 

[Baresark]

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I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.

Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P

LoL, strangely enough, I'm good with that. =P I have the most fun with you on these forums my friend. No one is as fervent as you in these arguments.

 

[JDKJ]

I was hoping this was going to come down to an actual battle myself, and I was cheering for Geohotz to be honest. Like a lot of people, I think there were important issues that were at stake here.

I think the spirit of the monetary donations is pretty obvious, and if he donates the money to charity I think that will be fine in this case. He might not have lived up to the high expectations set for him, but that's always the risk in backing a case like this, I don't think he really did anything paticularly dishonest here, though some might disagree with me.

As far as Anonymous goes, I'm not sure if we can say he "trolled" them. Time will tell what their reaction to this whole thing is. If they have an issue, I'm sure they will make it known. In the end though, I suspect Anonymous got behind the issue, and might still be there, as opposed to acting as a "personal army" which by their own credo they are not. The failure of George Hotz, is not a failure of Anonymous. Like a lot of the people who donated to George expecting him to push the issue harder, they might not like the resolution, but they probably aren't going to pursue revenge, having been there for their own reasons to begin with.

Besides, half that money's already gone. He blew it on a trip to Rio for Carnival. And probably didn't even get laid while he was down there. And if you can't get laid in Rio during Carnival, you won't ever get laid. Loser.

 

[JDKJ]

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I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.

Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P

LoL, strangely enough, I'm good with that. =P I have the most fun with you on these forums my friend. No one is as fervent as you in these arguments.

I will confess to also enjoying our discourses. You are invariably on the losing side on the debate, but I, nevertheless, respect your stick-to-it-tiveness. At least, you've got a whole lot more stick-to-it-tiveness than ol' quick-to-bail Georgie Boy.

 

[Baresark]

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How about the point at which, when asked if he will ever settle with Sony, he categorically and arrogantly and, as it turns out, falsely states that he will not settle with Sony but on his terms which include that Sony "[restore] OtherOS on all PS3s and apolog[ize] on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it?" I'll bet $1,000,000 that the terms of his settlement with Sony say nothing of the sort.

How about the part where he didn't guarantee this? He said it's what he wanted, which is not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. He said that he would fight for that, but once again, didn't guarantee this. He stated again and again that this was about sending a message, which is the one thing he did guarantee, and I would say, message sent.

Though, I am compelled to agree that there is no way in HELL Sony agreed to what he was asking.

And pray tell, outta curiosity, just what was the "message that he sent?" Because, while I'm sure that you'll disagree with me, on my score card I have Sony winning every round thus far and well ahead of Mr. Hotz on points. That he decided to throw in the towel and not answer the bell makes perfect sense to me. I saw a monumental ass-whupping in his future. So, again, I'm not seeing the "message" sent, unless the message is that if you're stupid enough to think that you and your solo-practitioner attorney can take on a multi-billion dollar corporation like Sony and its high-priced legal guns, you're not so stupid to call it quits before they beat you to a bloody pulp. It that the same message you think was sent?

He literally said that you can stand up to a company like Sony, and not be beat to a bloody pulp. And, since Sony settled with him, they didn't win, so the fight isn't over, it's just on hold for the moment. I agree, it makes sense to throw in the towel for him, but who knows what might come along in the future. God forbid they try to sue someone in that same position with nothing to lose. Do I wish he saw it through to the end, you bet I do. But this is not the first time a case of this type has seen the light of day, and in the past it has not come down to a simple cut and dry argument you make it out to be. If anything, this can only get more interesting in the future.

 

[A1]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

I really wouldn't say that. We don't know what the full terms of the settlement are or more specifically what Hotz had to give up to get Sony to leave him alone. And we also don't know what the nature of the permanent injunction is. So we really have no way of knowing which party got the short end of the stick here, if anyone. Although it is interesting that after all his belligerent chest thumping that Hotz would then turn around and do something like this.

EDIT: Oops. Nevermind. It looks like I spoke too soon. Specifically before I noticed Lorenzo Linares's post.

 

[Baresark]

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I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.

Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P

LoL, strangely enough, I'm good with that. =P I have the most fun with you on these forums my friend. No one is as fervent as you in these arguments.

I will confess to also enjoying our discourses. You are invariably on the losing side on the debate, but I, nevertheless, respect your stick-to-it-tiveness. At least, you've got a whole lot more stick-to-it-tiveness than ol' quick-to-bail Georgie Boy.

Haha, I'll take what I can get! LoL, if I was in the position, I would have stuck to it more, but I don't have a lot to lose either. On the other hand, I'm not a hotshot hacker/rapper. ;P

 

[A1]

Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.

Wow. It does seem that way doesn't it? Hotz put up a strong front but privately he must have really been feeling the heat.

 

[A1]

Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.

Thanks for posting that. It put a big, shit-eating grin on my face. And confirmed what I long ago suspected: George Hotz is a loser.

Amen to that.

 

[JDKJ]

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How about the point at which, when asked if he will ever settle with Sony, he categorically and arrogantly and, as it turns out, falsely states that he will not settle with Sony but on his terms which include that Sony "[restore] OtherOS on all PS3s and apolog[ize] on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it?" I'll bet $1,000,000 that the terms of his settlement with Sony say nothing of the sort.

How about the part where he didn't guarantee this? He said it's what he wanted, which is not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. He said that he would fight for that, but once again, didn't guarantee this. He stated again and again that this was about sending a message, which is the one thing he did guarantee, and I would say, message sent.

Though, I am compelled to agree that there is no way in HELL Sony agreed to what he was asking.

And pray tell, outta curiosity, just what was the "message that he sent?" Because, while I'm sure that you'll disagree with me, on my score card I have Sony winning every round thus far and well ahead of Mr. Hotz on points. That he decided to throw in the towel and not answer the bell makes perfect sense to me. I saw a monumental ass-whupping in his future. So, again, I'm not seeing the "message" sent, unless the message is that if you're stupid enough to think that you and your solo-practitioner attorney can take on a multi-billion dollar corporation like Sony and its high-priced legal guns, you're not so stupid to call it quits before they beat you to a bloody pulp. It that the same message you think was sent?

He literally said that you can stand up to a company like Sony, and not be beat to a bloody pulp. And, since Sony settled with him, they didn't win, so the fight isn't over, it's just on hold for the moment. I agree, it makes sense to throw in the towel for him, but who knows what might come along in the future. God forbid they try to sue someone in that same position with nothing to lose. Do I wish he saw it through to the end, you bet I do. But this is not the first time a case of this type has seen the light of day, and in the past it has not come down to a simple cut and dry argument you make it out to be. If anything, this can only get more interesting in the future.

Sony didn't settle with him, he settled with Sony.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

 

[A1]

Yeah, I doubt Anon had anything to do with this. Glad it's over, though.

Anonymous most likely didn't have anything to do with this since this settlement was agreed upon BEFORE they started with their crap. More specifically on the 31st of March.

 

[Alluos]

That pic you keep using for related articles just seems to fit the mood every time.

 

[IamGamer41]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

Wrong. If tell you I want your money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

You honestly think that kid gives two shits about some dude spouting fancy legal jargon on some forum claiming that they might sue him for fraud?

 

[winter2]

WHAT! *throws his popcorn to the ground*

Worst ending ever! I want my money back.

What he said!! I AM OUTRAGED! OUTRAGED I SAID!!

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

How boring, and how unproductive, this hardly solved anything.

I want my money back.