GeoHot and Sony Settle PS3 Jailbreak Case

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How about the point at which, when asked if he will ever settle with Sony, he categorically and arrogantly and, as it turns out, falsely states that he will not settle with Sony but on his terms which include that Sony "[restore] OtherOS on all PS3s and apolog[ize] on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it?" I'll bet $1,000,000 that the terms of his settlement with Sony say nothing of the sort.
How about the part where he didn't guarantee this? He said it's what he wanted, which is not a guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. He said that he would fight for that, but once again, didn't guarantee this. He stated again and again that this was about sending a message, which is the one thing he did guarantee, and I would say, message sent.

Though, I am compelled to agree that there is no way in HELL Sony agreed to what he was asking.
And pray tell, outta curiosity, just what was the "message that he sent?" Because, while I'm sure that you'll disagree with me, on my score card I have Sony winning every round thus far and well ahead of Mr. Hotz on points. That he decided to throw in the towel and not answer the bell makes perfect sense to me. I saw a monumental ass-whupping in his future. So, again, I'm not seeing the "message" sent, unless the message is that if you're stupid enough to think that you and your solo-practitioner attorney can take on a multi-billion dollar corporation like Sony and its high-priced legal guns, you're not so stupid to call it quits before they beat you to a bloody pulp. It that the same message you think was sent?
 

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LuckyClover95 said:
Does anyone else think this guy's pathetic? He's pretending he's some sort of revolutionary, everyones donating money and shit.... pathetic. Sony should have f*cked him over big time.
He´s is kind of a dick
But he´s also about 20 and has already achieved more than most people ever will (and I´m not talking about this hacking bullsh*t).
Dick, yes, pathetic, probably not.
 

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Look there slugger, instead of bellyaching on some internet forum how about you go round up all the people he allegedly defrauded and get that class action suit rolling. What's that? Still impotently bitching on the internet? Yeah that's what I thought . . . . .
Look here, Sport, as if I'm really gonna round up a class and sue George Hotz for the few thousand dollars in donations he collected. Please. I'd rather class action Sony on some bullshit claim I invented before I do that. At least there's real money in Sony's pockets. I may not be the sharpest knife in the cutlery cabinet, but even I can tell when the game ain't worth the candle wax.
 

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Thank god, I was getting really fucking tired of hearing about all this. I was guessing that a settlement would happen, I never really was pulling for any side to win, it would've been rather ugly if either side would've won.

Besides, it was all getting rather silly on both sides. I was gonna start playing Benny Hill music the next time I was reading about more shenanigans happening with that case.
 

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Sony pushed to the bargaining table? That's not likely because the settlement was actually reached on the 31st of March, before all that Anonymous crap got started.
 

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Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.
 

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ace_of_something said:
Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about being able to mod my system at will? I bought a PlayStation3 to play PlayStation3 games.
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Well, that settles nothing.
Still, the only possible good thing that could have come of this was that we might get some legal precedent regarding consumer rights, and that remains up in the air. And you know this isn't going to be the last time it comes up.
nope, cases settled out of court absolutely do NOT set any precedent in the American legal system. That's part of why big companies often choose to do it.
you're obviously the only one who doesn't look at a PS3 and think, "dam,n, that was a cheaper buy and more powerful than my computer BY A GOOD 400 DOLLARS... I wish I could use it as one."
 

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Best, and probably the most likely all along, of possible outcomes I think. GeoHot stfu's, Sony gtfo's, and no one has to try to "retrieve the internet" on an idiot Judge's ridiculous orders.
 

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Arachon said:
Yay! This means that Sony can continue to treat hardware purchased by their customers as company property! A great day for us all.
And everyone else can treat Sony with the lack of respect they deserve by breaking their ToS and jailbreaking the product anyway. Considering a guy who helped make that happen is not going to be martyred, I'd say it's not a bad (albeit certainly not perfect) result, especially seeing as Sony was never going to change their policy, even if they lost this particular case.
 

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Good call for GeoHot. As much as the little guy toppling a giant makes for a nice storybook ending Sony would have crushed him and it would have ended up bad for everyone.
 

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Arachon said:
Yay! This means that Sony can continue to treat hardware purchased by their customers as company property! A great day for us all.
ToS, read them and choose "I agree" or "I disagree".

If you disagree you can do whatever the hell you want with your hardware as long as you don't connect it to Sony's PSN service. If you think that's anything but completely reasonable then I don't know what to tell you.

OT: Are people really surprised by this? He didn't have a chance in hell.

Personally I think he is a fraud for taking donations like he can't afford a lawyer, yet he can afford 3 PS3's and a random trip to Mexico. Not to mention trying that "Sony of North...America? What's that?" crap. The minute you try to get off on a technicality there's something wrong.

That's the way I see it anyway.
 

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LuckyClover95 said:
Does anyone else think this guy's pathetic? He's pretending he's some sort of revolutionary, everyones donating money and shit.... pathetic. Sony should have f*cked him over big time.
"Pathetic" doesn't even begin to properly describe George Hotz. "Pathetic" suggests that he is deserving of pity. He's not. He's deserving of contempt. Personally, I like "despicable."
 

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Lorenzo Linares said:
Guys, the settlement has been leaked.

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

Basically Geohot can never do anything Sony doesnt approve of to any Sony product ever again for the rest of his life and if he does he has to pay Sony 10,000 and if he shares any of the info he will have to pay up to 250,000...

his plans for haking Xperia play?, over....

id say this is a clean win for Sony.
Thanks for posting that. It put a big, shit-eating grin on my face. And confirmed what I long ago suspected: George Hotz is a loser.
 

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I...but...what...how?

Seriously? Really now?

You were the defendant in a case that was likely THE decideing moment to set precedent in how digital rights are owned and managed, you had gotten all of these supporters, had gotten sent god knows how much money in the mail, had sony downright SLANDER y0u by saying you rann off to south america, AND YOU FREAKING ACCEPT A BARGIN??!

What the hell, man?

Where does this leave him and his work, and us and the industry with this ordeal and the related argued legal rights mumbo jumbo?

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Honestly folks, how did you expect this case to end?
I had thought and hoped that this would end up setting a legal precedent over EULAs, our rights to "own" our own stuff, etc, perhaps going all the way to the supreme court.
 

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I was hoping this was going to come down to an actual battle myself, and I was cheering for Geohotz to be honest. Like a lot of people, I think there were important issues that were at stake here.

I think the spirit of the monetary donations is pretty obvious, and if he donates the money to charity I think that will be fine in this case. He might not have lived up to the high expectations set for him, but that's always the risk in backing a case like this, I don't think he really did anything paticularly dishonest here, though some might disagree with me.

As far as Anonymous goes, I'm not sure if we can say he "trolled" them. Time will tell what their reaction to this whole thing is. If they have an issue, I'm sure they will make it known. In the end though, I suspect Anonymous got behind the issue, and might still be there, as opposed to acting as a "personal army" which by their own credo they are not. The failure of George Hotz, is not a failure of Anonymous. Like a lot of the people who donated to George expecting him to push the issue harder, they might not like the resolution, but they probably aren't going to pursue revenge, having been there for their own reasons to begin with.
 

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JDKJ said:
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I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.
Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P
LoL, strangely enough, I'm good with that. =P I have the most fun with you on these forums my friend. No one is as fervent as you in these arguments.
 

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I was hoping this was going to come down to an actual battle myself, and I was cheering for Geohotz to be honest. Like a lot of people, I think there were important issues that were at stake here.

I think the spirit of the monetary donations is pretty obvious, and if he donates the money to charity I think that will be fine in this case. He might not have lived up to the high expectations set for him, but that's always the risk in backing a case like this, I don't think he really did anything paticularly dishonest here, though some might disagree with me.

As far as Anonymous goes, I'm not sure if we can say he "trolled" them. Time will tell what their reaction to this whole thing is. If they have an issue, I'm sure they will make it known. In the end though, I suspect Anonymous got behind the issue, and might still be there, as opposed to acting as a "personal army" which by their own credo they are not. The failure of George Hotz, is not a failure of Anonymous. Like a lot of the people who donated to George expecting him to push the issue harder, they might not like the resolution, but they probably aren't going to pursue revenge, having been there for their own reasons to begin with.
Besides, half that money's already gone. He blew it on a trip to Rio for Carnival. And probably didn't even get laid while he was down there. And if you can't get laid in Rio during Carnival, you won't ever get laid. Loser.
 

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Baresark said:
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I couldn't agree more with this post. Remember when he "fled" the country and ran off to hide in south america? Everyone who previously supported him jumped all over him because Sony filed a motion. People definitely need to learn to objectively read something and get actual information out of it, and not just here-say of one side of the lawsuit.
Hearsay, not here-say. You'll never join the ranks of big, bad-ass, Wall Street attorneys if you can't get simple terms of art right. : P
LoL, strangely enough, I'm good with that. =P I have the most fun with you on these forums my friend. No one is as fervent as you in these arguments.
I will confess to also enjoying our discourses. You are invariably on the losing side on the debate, but I, nevertheless, respect your stick-to-it-tiveness. At least, you've got a whole lot more stick-to-it-tiveness than ol' quick-to-bail Georgie Boy.