GeoHot and Sony Settle PS3 Jailbreak Case

[JDKJ]

I want you money because I'm going to use it to wage a legal battle that will benefit you also by setting a legal precedent when I prevail before the Court and then I bail out on my promised legal battle long before the point of ever prevailing, then, my friend, that is most certainly fraud and obtaining property under false pretenses.

Can you please to me how saying that you are going to donate whatever excess money you have to charity and then doing so is fraud?

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

You do realize he has paid his lawyers up till now right? And he said he would donate whatever is left over when he accepted the donations.

As long as the money is used to pay his lawyers up till now, and the rest is donated like he claimed up front, there is no fraud. And he sure as hell shouldn't pay it ALL back, it's not like the lawyers worked for free up till now.

Honestly, this seems like somewhat of a victory for GeoHotz, think about it, the root key got out, and he didn't go to jail or owe Sony millions of dollars, sounds like a victory to me at least.

That's not where the fraud occurs. The fraud occurs in stating that you will accept my money and use it to accomplish Object X and then deliberately failing to accomplish Object X. Plain and simple. The promise to donate a surplus to the EFF was the surplus left over after Object X was accomplished. But Objective X was never accomplished. Therefore, there's no surplus.

A donation is a gift. Sorry, brah, but Hotz can do whatever the hell he wants with the leftover funds. You should be more careful with who and how much you donate your money to.

As a legal matter, brah, some gifts are not given to the recipients for them to do with whatever they want. A donatio mortis causa (i.e., a gift given in contemplation of imminent death) has to be returned to the donor if they don't imminently die as they contemplated. Similarly, a gift given in contemplation of marriage (e.g., an engagement ring) reverts back to the giver if the marriage is called off and never occurs.

A little internet research before we open our mouths and get to talking about that which we know absolutely nothing, goes a long way, brah.

 

[Arehexes]

Damn, I wanted a bloodbath

....seeing your avatar with your post made me smile way to hard.

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated to your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

Hero, my ass. You's a punky-ass *****. You had a choice: git down or lay down, And your sorry ass just laid down.

And how is he supposed to track down the few thousand people who donated money and decide who gets how much from whats left? He said he would donate the rest, which is fine. What you're saying isn't practical at all.

I'm so thoroughly regretting my empty threat to sue George Hotz for his unreturned donations. It has become a complete distraction from what is actually a cause for celebration: the fact that Sony has now completely owned him.

 

[Actual]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

 

[JDKJ]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

If that's truly the case and Sony was on the wrong side of the dispute, then why didn't he stick to his position and prove that to be case? Why did he settle on terms most unfavorable to him? That don't make much sense.

 

[Hiroshi Mishima]

I think this settlement was Sony's doing. I think their legal team was going to have a hard time proving their case and the risk of failure would have opened some pretty big doors for others to walk all over them.

Pretty much this, in my opinion.

Not to mention, anyone and everyone who got the "jailbreak" code (and what a stupid term to use, right?) will be able to get it to others. This may be the end of it for GeoHot, but for Sony, I don't see this being over at all.

EDIT: JDKJ or however you spell your name.. would you just put a fucking sock in it already? I think only maybe 1 or 2 people (if that) have really agreed with you, and regardless who has or hasn't several people have already defeated your various points. Now it feels more like you're doing this just for attention, which arguably was your intention all along.

Either learn to troll better, or give up and agree to a settlement.

 

[ionveau]

At first my opinion on consoles was that XBOX is greedy and PS3 is kind and willing to give users the best for the lowest price

Now my opinion is both company's are faceless soulless
good job Sony

 

[Macrobstar]

Thats fine him hacking his own ps3, but why did he have to release the root key for other people to do illegal things with?

 

[Macrobstar]

Yay! This means that Sony can continue to treat hardware purchased by their customers as company property! A great day for us all.

Well if you don't connect to PSN and accept the user agreement then brodcast to everyone over the internet about your hacking I'm pretty sure you can do what you want with your PS3

 

[JDKJ]

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated to your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

Hero, my ass. You's a punky-ass *****. You had a choice: git down or lay down, And your sorry ass just laid down.

And how is he supposed to track down the few thousand people who donated money and decide who gets how much from whats left? He said he would donate the rest, which is fine. What you're saying isn't practical at all.

I'm so thoroughly regretting my empty threat to sue George Hotz for his unreturned donations. It has become a complete distraction from what is actually a cause for celebration: the fact that Sony has now completely owned him.

Smart move, Georgie Boy. 'Cause you were most certainly on your way to getting about 12 inches of Sony penis up your rectum.

And if you don't immediately return the money that was donated to your Legal Defense Fund, I just might class-action your ass for fraud, false pretenses, theft, and any other claims I might be able to cook up against you.

Hero, my ass. You's a punky-ass *****. You had a choice: git down or lay down, And your sorry ass just laid down.

And how is he supposed to track down the few thousand people who donated money and decide who gets how much from whats left? He said he would donate the rest, which is fine. What you're saying isn't practical at all.

Fine. It may not be practical to return the money. But there's still something about hanging on to it or even giving it to the EFF -- or Jerry's Kids for that matter -- that still strikes me as less than kosher. But that's just me.

 

[Delusibeta]

You know what time it is? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHOST!

Yep, this is very much a zero sum gain for both sides. The know-how and the key is still out there for people to rehost (and they probably have several times over), and GeoHot is still banned from publicly hacking his PS3. I wonder if the Internet Archive still has the offending pages?

Off topic: JDKJ is a textbook Angry Internet Man. His argument is destroyed, but he still keeps going.

 

[duchaked]

darn, I was hoping for some drawing and quartering
or at least tar and feathers

seriously tho? hacking mastermind? him trying to sound all innocent? pshhhh

 

[JDKJ]

I think this settlement was Sony's doing. I think their legal team was going to have a hard time proving their case and the risk of failure would have opened some pretty big doors for others to walk all over them.

Pretty much this, in my opinion.

Not to mention, anyone and everyone who got the "jailbreak" code (and what a stupid term to use, right?) will be able to get it to others. This may be the end of it for GeoHot, but for Sony, I don't see this being over at all.

EDIT: JDKJ or however you spell your name.. would you just put a fucking sock in it already? I think only maybe 1 or 2 people (if that) have really agreed with you, and regardless who has or hasn't several people have already defeated your various points. Now it feels more like you're doing this just for attention, which arguably was your intention all along.

Either learn to troll better, or give up and agree to a settlement.

You got the spelling right. And I'm glad you did, 'cause it ain't but four letters.

And, while I hate to disappoint you, no, I won't "put a sock in it," not merely because you want me to do so. Sorry.

And who cares if the population of the entire planet collectively raised their disagreement with me? I certainly don't. Do I look like I'm in it to win a popularity contest? Read my lips: I could care less who disagrees with me. Matter of fact, I equally care less who agrees with me.

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

I think this settlement was Sony's doing. I think their legal team was going to have a hard time proving their case and the risk of failure would have opened some pretty big doors for others to walk all over them.

Pretty much this, in my opinion.

Not to mention, anyone and everyone who got the "jailbreak" code (and what a stupid term to use, right?) will be able to get it to others. This may be the end of it for GeoHot, but for Sony, I don't see this being over at all.

EDIT: JDKJ or however you spell your name.. would you just put a fucking sock in it already? I think only maybe 1 or 2 people (if that) have really agreed with you, and regardless who has or hasn't several people have already defeated your various points. Now it feels more like you're doing this just for attention, which arguably was your intention all along.

Either learn to troll better, or give up and agree to a settlement.

Lol, no. This thing completely ended in Sony's favor. I wouldn't even breath on anything made by Sony if I were him. http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f6/26802d1302540442-settlement-george-hotz-case-127-stipulation.pdf

 

[JDKJ]

You know what time it is? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHOST!

Yep, this is very much a zero sum gain for both sides. The know-how and the key is still out there for people to rehost (and they probably have several times over), and GeoHot is still banned from publicly hacking his PS3. I wonder if the Internet Archive still has the offending pages?

Off topic: JDKJ is a textbook Angry Internet Man. His argument is destroyed, but he still keeps going.

Actually, while I will admit to frequent episodes of anger, today ain't at all one of those days. I thought I'd have to wait years for Sony to own Hotz. Turns out it took less than three months. Today's a good day, in my book, with absolutely no cause at all for anger.

 

[Actual]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

If that's truly the case and Sony was on the wrong side of the dispute, then why didn't he stick to his position and prove that to be case? Why did he settle on terms most unfavorable to him? That don't make much sense.

I can't say they were on the wrong side of it legally, but Sony were in the wrong morally. However they were throwing a lot of money around to make sure they won the case regardless of morals.

I'm sure you heard about them infringing on personal privacy of anyone who watch Hotz's videos or visited his website, counting those people as criminals themselves. Hell they had my IP address because I was linked to a youtube video by the Escapist news team. They were going to screw him whether he was in the right or not. I can't blame him from backing down, he took donations and made a fight of it but he would have needed far larger coffers to win this. Admirable try.

 

[JDKJ]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

If that's truly the case and Sony was on the wrong side of the dispute, then why didn't he stick to his position and prove that to be case? Why did he settle on terms most unfavorable to him? That don't make much sense.

I can't say they were on the wrong side of it legally, but Sony were in the wrong morally. However they were throwing a lot of money around to make sure they won the case regardless of morals.

I'm sure you heard about them infringing on personal privacy of anyone who watch Hotz's videos or visited his website, counting those people as criminals themselves. Hell they had my IP address because I was linked to a youtube video by the Escapist news team. They were going to screw him whether he was in the right or not. I can't blame him from backing down, he took donations and made a fight of it but he would have needed far larger coffers to win this. Admirable try.

Yeah, it's been said that nothing beats a try but a fail. And it's been said by none other than the Godfather of Soul, James "Get Up on the Good Foot" Brown.

 

[JDKJ]

"For his part, Hotz seemed glad to have it all over with. "It was never my intention to cause any users trouble or to make piracy easier," said the hacking mastermind"

See this is my problem with Geohot was this line and his thinking.

1)If he didn't intend on piracy why did he give out the master key to bypass sony to make it easy

2)If he is a master mind he knows giving people freedom means some will abuse it.

1)He gave out the key so people could use their products as they should be able to, as they planned to use when they bought them, and as they were told they would be able to use them, until Sony changed their mind and made themselves liars.

2)Freedom is dangerous, no-one should be free.

If that's truly the case and Sony was on the wrong side of the dispute, then why didn't he stick to his position and prove that to be case? Why did he settle on terms most unfavorable to him? That don't make much sense.

Nazi Germany was on the wrong side of a dispute, would your stand and fight the third Reich with 4 soldiers with you or would your surrender and live to fight another day.

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." -- Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies

 

[Sprntr_Zomby]

I...but...what...how?

Seriously? Really now?

You were the defendant in a case that was likely THE decideing moment to set precedent in how digital rights are owned and managed, you had gotten all of these supporters, had gotten sent god knows how much money in the mail, had sony downright SLANDER y0u by saying you rann off to south america, AND YOU FREAKING ACCEPT A BARGIN??!

What the hell, man?

Where does this leave him and his work, and us and the industry with this ordeal and the related argued legal rights mumbo jumbo?

Honestly folks, how did you expect this case to end?

I had thought and hoped that this would end up setting a legal precedent over EULAs, our rights to "own" our own stuff, etc, perhaps going all the way to the supreme court.

You might be pissed now, but how pissed would you be if GeoHotz lost and Sony made some precident over EULA's so that any company may do what Sony did. Frankly, that looked to be the most likely course if this went to court.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Once again, Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who supposedly was fighting for your consumer rights simply goes with the agreement not to settle anything. Truly he lies up to the freedom fighting standard he had when this all began. Truly he will not let Sony intimidate him and change his resolve!

Ahh but I kid I kid. It's just so funny to watch the story as everyone rallies behind him and all plan his glorious march to freedom against the evil Sony and he doesn't do anything like that. I think an outside settlement was probably the best move for him since this case was potentially going to hurt him more then Sony in the end. The worst case for Sony is that Sony closes its gaming arm. The worst case for the dude is that he goes broke.