Geohot Hints at Plans After Sony Settlement

[JDKJ]

Questions...

1) OtherOS was making piracy more possible than it was without it, so Sony removed it.

2) PS3 owners have sued Sony in a number of class actions because OtherOS was removed, alleging false advertising , unfair trade practice, etc., etc. But that probably won't ever get OtherOS re-installed. That just gets them some money to compensate them for the loss.

3) Updating your firmware is generally what removed OtherOS from consoles that had it. Now, they don't even manufacture PS3s with it. Why people are upset runs the full spectrum. There are, I imagine, at one end of the spectrum some people (probably very few) who did legitimately want to run Linux. In the middle are probably the people who wanted to play pirated materials. On the other end of the spectrum are the fucking idiots who don't even own a PS3 but just like to hate on Sony.

4) Homebrewers, mostly (i.e., people who create their own games from scratch). But there probably aren't many of those out there.

I see...so if people are winning their cases against Sony for false advertising etc, why doesn't everyone just do that? I know instigating legal proceedings is expensive, but it doesn't seem like GeoHotz's approach has done anyone any favours either. And I can't believe he actually thought he was going to get away with what he did, just based on the fact that Sony doesn't allow jailbreaking (whether they should or not).

I did wonder how many people this OtherOS thing actually affects. I'm not saying they shouldn't complain, by no means, but I suppose that's the rice I pay for reading a gamer/computer fan forum =P The rage over it seemed disproportionate to the number of people I could actually imagine using that function, and perhaps *only* having a pS3 for that reason.

Can't homebrewers work something else out with Sony? I'm not a homebrewer myself, so I really have no idea about making stuff for a platform that I didn't build. Well, that's not entirely true - I work with a lot of laboratory equipment that I write my own programs for, but then the manufacturers tend to build the object with that in mind, I suppose. I guess licences to develop for Sony are rather expensive...? ;-P

Also, does the firmware update happen automatically when you connect it to the internet or something? Or in games? So, I have an old PS3 that's never been connected to anything but my TV - does that mean that I have this OtherOS thing still (which tbh, I never knew existed until I saw threads like these)?

There's a four question limit per customer per day. As much as I'd love to answer you, rules are rules. : P

That's alright, I'll wait til tomorrow. Mind you, I do live in Tomorrowland =P

Get outta here! I live in Frontierland, close to the Country Bear Jamboree.

It's small world after all, it's a small, small world. : P

 

[Emergent]

Once a-fucking-gain, you are taking what I clearly state and twisting it into a pretzel to suit your narrow purposes. I said that I was weary, not of your rhetoric, but, rather, your silly-assed rhetorical ploys worthy of no one beyond the level of elementary school. Thanks for proving my point.

Abusive ranting aside here, what exactly is the difference between "my rhetoric" and my "rhetorical ploys" other than your personal feelings about them, princess?

 

[JDKJ]

The JDKJ thread is still going I see....

I find it odd that people care so much. Did anyone really think Sony was going to lose?

P.S. Don't feed the.... aw hell, never mind.

C'mon, man. I just passed the 1000-post mark. Now is no time to rest on my laurels. Onward and upward, through the night.

I didn't mean to sound rude, but I can see how I did. Congrats on the post mark BTW.

The last line in my post was more of a 'this guy might pop a gasket at this rate' kinda thing. Some of your posts these last 2(?) days have been a bit heated.

Let me help the string going by asking: Did you really think Sony could lose this?

Sorry if you answered this already, I didn't read all of the pages from the two threads.

I understand the frustration some have on this issue even if I don't agree with it.

You got me confused with someone else. I've been one of the few and rare voices around here predicting from the get-go that Sony was gonna own Hotz. And took plenty heat for doing so, too. I've been having to restrain myself from posting a "Nah-nah-na-nah-nah. I told you so."

And I didn't think you were rude. Certainly not in comparison to some others. No harm, no foul.

 

[JDKJ]

Once a-fucking-gain, you are taking what I clearly state and twisting it into a pretzel to suit your narrow purposes. I said that I was weary, not of your rhetoric, but, rather, your silly-assed rhetorical ploys worthy of no one beyond the level of elementary school. Thanks for proving my point.

Abusive ranting aside here, what exactly is the difference between "my rhetoric" and my "rhetorical ploys" other than your personal feelings about them, princess?

rhet·o·ric (rtr-k) n. The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.

rhe·tor·i·cal (r-tôr-kl, -tr-) adj. Of or relating to rhetoric.

ploy (ploi) n. An action calculated to frustrate an opponent or gain an advantage indirectly or deviously; a maneuver.

 

[JDKJ]

You got me confused with someone else. I've been one of the few and rare voices around here predicting from the get-go that Sony was gonna own Hotz. And took plenty heat for doing so, too. I've been having to restrain myself from posting a "Nah-nah-na-nah-nah. I told you so."

And I didn't think you were rude. Certainly not in comparison to some others. No harm, no foul.

Lol, color me confused then!

I thought your 'anger' was about feeling betrayed by his yellow back coward type actions.

I'm so poor, I can't even pay attention! hehe

But yeah, some people have been pretty rude on this one. Not me tho, not this time...... this time. The lesson I learned from all of this Geo Hot crap is as follows: If you wanna fuck with a mega corp, keep it to yourself.

Oh, I've also been one the few and rare voices trying to point out from the get-go that egohot isn't anyone's champion of consumer rights worthy of hero-worship but, rather, is a mendacious con artist and -- I often throw this part in for good measure -- a schmuck. Perhaps needless to say, that also earned me the wrath of the egohot fanboys. But I'm pretty good at gettin' a fanboy off my back and reluctant to climb back up on it. See the PROBATION above my avatar? Well-earned.

 

[JDKJ]

There will either be another lawsuit, bought to bare on a more defensiable stance and with more people, or he's gonna hack.

At $10,000 a pop per hack, no questions asked, just pay up the money to Sony, he ain't gonna hack. But if he's dumb enough to hack, I'll be peeing my pants laughing when he has to cut that check to Sony.

 

[blind_dead_mcjones]

Are you purpouslly missing my point here?

I never said anything about pirating games. Not once.

And no matter what hackers and others do, it does not give Sony, or any other hardware manufacturer, the right to determine what I can or cannot do with my hardware.

your forgetting that the entire issue was about software, not hardware

 

[Ellen of Kitten]

I got 10 bucks that says Hotz turns around and builds a class action suit for removing the Other OS functionality.

He'd be very unoriginal and late to the game. They're already about a dozen of those up and running from last year.

But do they have Hotz spotlight, and funding? This is what Hotz has going for him right now.

Funding?! What funding? At this point, Hotz'd be lucky if he passed the hat around and actually ended up with anything more than thirty-five cents in loose change been tossed in it. And whatever he may have collected before he lost all credibility is unlikely to be sufficient to underwrite a class-action. Those thing can be a huge money vacumn. And the spotlight that's shining on him is increasingly illuminating him for all to see as the complete douche-bag that he is.

Un, the funding he received for to fight the case talked about in the above article. That's kind of where I was going with the "I bet he's getting a class action together."

 

[Emergent]

rhet·o·ric (rtr-k) n. The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.

rhe·tor·i·cal (r-tôr-kl, -tr-) adj. Of or relating to rhetoric.

ploy (ploi) n. An action calculated to frustrate an opponent or gain an advantage indirectly or deviously; a maneuver.

If you're trying to assert that I'm "maneuvering" to be persuasive, well, err, guilty as charged- that's sort of the point of debate. If not, well, you'll have to explain further. Typically, in discussion, we form complete sentences when making our points.

 

[Feylynn]

I don't see what all the hate for him is.
Would people really be happier if he accomplished absolutely nothing and all of their donation money plus his possessions went to Sony?
Evidently that was the alternative.

I also don't see those that side with Sony on this.
Hacking Linux onto the PS3 hurt no one, at all, Sony twisting what really happened with fancy words and really expensive pr guys.
The only thing to come out of this that hurts consumers is the idea that a company can legally take back components of anything they sell you, void of reason or refund.

The result of that was then Hotz taking offense and saying it was no more dangerous to re-allow an updated other OS support than to piss off every hacker on the planet.

Sony then gets field day with enough legal ammo to treat him as an example while cleverly allowing him to continue living in a home rather than on the street or in prison in exchange for him being unable to defend himself to the internet at large due to the confidential nature of the settlement.

I don't even know my point anymore, probably something to do with jumping to conclusions over this while he can't say anything is dumb. Maybe a little bit of Sony's a big boy and doesn't need all the feral deriding of people to help them.

But maybe I'm just missing something.

 

[JDKJ]

rhet·o·ric (rtr-k) n. The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.

rhe·tor·i·cal (r-tôr-kl, -tr-) adj. Of or relating to rhetoric.

ploy (ploi) n. An action calculated to frustrate an opponent or gain an advantage indirectly or deviously; a maneuver.

If you're trying to assert that I'm "maneuvering" to be persuasive, well, err, guilty as charged- that's sort of the point of debate. If not, well, you'll have to explain further. Typically, in discussion, we form complete sentences when making our points.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about: rather than focus on the more obviously intended "action calculated to frustrate an opponent or gain an advantage indirectly or deviously," you wanna latch on to "maneuver," the one word dangling off the end of the definition, as if that would be the part I most intended.

Look here, Slick, you ain't slick. Not by a long shot. Trust me on that.

I don't where or on who you were able to try that feeble-minded nonsense and actually succeed with the result that it has apparently now become a force of habit for you, but here's the bad news: that ain't gonna work with everyone -- not anyone with an IQ higher than the number of their fingers and toes.

And here's more bad news for you: it makes you a complete and utter bore.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

edit

in recent evidence this post is complete crap. good day to you.

 

[tzimize]

Am I the only one who thought "I aint even mad" when I saw the picture?

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I spend too much time around memes.

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

If you donate to someone it becomes their money. its not up to you how they use it even in this situation the money he got was put towards the court case and now its over. it would be good of him to give it back but he doesn't have to.

Actually it is up to you. If you donate money to a guy with him promising to do 'X' with it and he does 'Y' instead, that is fraud good sir.

 

[UnmotivatedSlacker]

I got 10 bucks that says Hotz turns around and builds a class action suit for removing the Other OS functionality.

He'd be very unoriginal and late to the game. They're already about a dozen of those up and running from last year.

But do they have Hotz spotlight, and funding? This is what Hotz has going for him right now.

Funding?! What funding? At this point, Hotz'd be lucky if he passed the hat around and actually ended up with anything more than thirty-five cents in loose change been tossed in it. And whatever he may have collected before he lost all credibility is unlikely to be sufficient to underwrite a class-action. Those thing can be a huge money vacumn. And the spotlight that's shining on him is increasingly illuminating him for all to see as the complete douche-bag that he is.

Un, the funding he received for to fight the case talked about in the above article. That's kind of where I was going with the "I bet he's getting a class action together."

He knows. He's saying that the money donated would unlikely be enough to take on Sony and that he's very unlikely to get any more donations or at the very least, a much lower donation from the public.

 

[Baneat]

I.. like this guy o.o

 

[ProjectTrinity]

I.. like this guy o.o

This has to be the most unique response in this thread. lol

 

[Macrobstar]

i never liked this guy. he's smart enough to jail break the ps3 but not smart enough to relise pirates will use it to pirate games?

so what if other people use it to pirate games?

It is his legally bought hardware, and he ought to do what he damn well please with it.
Which in his case is installing Linux on it.

Which was an advertised feature that Sony later removed.

Thank the gods I live in a country where my personal property is mine to do with as I see fit.

What you don't see sony in the right for trying protect there business from piracy? Also if you bought a PS3 just to run linux then you're a bit of an idiot

Sure they have the right to protect their buisness from piracy.

But that right does not in any way override the right I have to do as I see fit with my legally bought hardware.

And at no point does it give you the right to pirate games from game developers either, which is what most of these hackers are doing

Are you purpouslly missing my point here?

I never said anything about pirating games. Not once.

And no matter what hackers and others do, it does not give Sony, or any other hardware manufacturer, the right to determine what I can or cannot do with my hardware.

Well I disagree, for the safety of its userbase and its business sony has to control the problem